I think both of you are basing your opinions an perspective more that facts.
At this point in time there are more baseless conspiracy theories being propagated on society than at any other time I can remember.
And this is certainly not an accurate description of the vast majority of them.
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When someone finds fault with an opposing party stance, it is almost always labeled a conspiracy theory even if there is basis in fact. Especially here, lol.
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We disagree. Wow. Nice dig about my high level of intellect.
As for basing one of your defenses on suicides because of social issues ... yes, that is a fact, but it doesn't mean the masses are more afraid of death than social disapproval. You picked a tiny % of the population to base your statement on. And while what you wrote is true and tragic, it doesn't then mean his statement was accurate. So yes "Meh".
The more things change the more they stay the same.
I don't disagree with you at all. But I think we form our opinions based on our perspective of things. And since all of those points were based on opinion, I also agree with you there's no other way to respond to them.
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Just look at point 1 (Most people would rather be in the majority, than be right.) - in real life I don't think that's true at all. Online I think bias and 'keyboard warrior' / Troll persona is more influential and maybe ... Point 8 is the same - online maybe but not RL.
I absolutely disagree. In this day and age people will say or do just about anything before going against the crowd or admitting they're wrong. Not just online. I see it at work, I see it at play in all levels of politics, I see it in places of business and social organizations. I can't believe you don't.
If he were to see it in real life, then he would have to admit his previous post was wrong.
It's supposed to be hard! If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great!
Regarding the "what's right vs what's popular" point... I think people go with what's popular because many think that's what is true. The side of the argument with more people behind it tends to be the one that's correct, right? That's the logic, at least.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Only we live at a time when both sides think they're the most popular. No matter what the numbers say.
Sadly, this is true. People have their heads so far up the arse of their chosen party they don't see anything positive from the other side or anything negative from their own side. Complete bias where nothing constructive can be accomplished.
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Crappy headline, but Pfizer is saying FDA food them it is looking at their application, it hasn't been bounced back, and to expect a decision around January.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
The Jan timeframe mentioned in the article is the "goal date", so that really doesn't mean much. In my experience, FDA is only so-so at meeting their informal dates. It did mention it's getting priority, so maybe that means sooner.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I certainly have no idea of when it will be approved. I'm guessing that the priority status may have some impact much as you suggested. I'm simply going by what's being reported that the two month timeline is a possibility.
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The Republican governor of Utah on Thursday decried “propaganda” spread against coronavirus vaccines, warning that those discouraging immunization are “killing people.”
“We have these - these talking heads who have gotten the vaccine and are telling other people not to get the vaccine,” Gov. Spencer Cox said in response to a reporter’s question about anti-vaccine rhetoric coming in large part from the political right. “That kind of stuff is just, it’s ridiculous. It’s dangerous, it’s damaging, and it’s killing people. I mean, it’s literally killing their supporters. And that makes no sense to me.”
Cox’s sharp words at a news conference came as some lawmakers and other prominent Republicans fan doubts about the coronavirus vaccines or speak about them with outright hostility, framing efforts to promote the shots as unwelcome incursions from big government.
Members of Congress have derided “door-to-door” outreach; a host at the conservative network Newsmax recently declared vaccines “against nature”; and audience members at a conservative conference cheered last weekend when a speaker said the United States missed its immunization goals. Those in counties won by President Joe Biden are more likely to be fully vaccinated than those in counties won by former president Donald Trump, the Kaiser Family Foundation found this month.
Most covid-19 deaths now occur among the unvaccinated, something Cox underscored as true for Utah. Yet recent polling shows that 29% of Americans say they are unlikely to get their shots, with most of those people saying they definitely will not. That’s a slight uptick from three months earlier when 24% said they were unlikely to get vaccinated.
Asked about anti-vaccine messages Thursday, Cox said they are “harmful” and that “it does concern me deeply.” He said he sees the coronavirus vaccines as a key accomplishment of the Trump administration and believes the herculean effort to develop them in less than a year will go down as “one of the greatest achievements of medicine in human history.”
Trump has taken credit for that accomplishment and got vaccinated, although not in public like other leaders such as Biden and former vice president Mike Pence, a Republican.
“I don’t think we can take credit for getting the vaccine and then tell people that there’s something wrong with the vaccine,” Cox said Thursday.
He used the news conference to plead with residents - again - to get their shots. “We know why the cases are going up. We know why hospitalizations are going up. And it’s just because we need more people to get vaccinated.”
Cox is not the only Republican official to express frustration over vaccine messaging from the right. Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah, this week said that “politicizing vaccinations is moronic” and asked aloud why supporters of Trump are resistant.
“President Trump and his supporters take credit for developing the vaccine,” he said, according to the Deseret News. “Why the heck won’t they take advantage of the vaccine they received plaudits for having developed?”
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., told reporters this week that he is a “huge fan of vaccinations” and “perplexed by the difficulty we have in finishing the job” of immunizing the country. “We need to keep preaching that getting the vaccine is important.” he said.
But when asked about GOP colleagues such as Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., who have fueled doubts about the vaccines, McConnell declined to criticize and said he could only speak for himself.
Surgeon General Vivek Murthy highlighted the threat of misinformation on covid-19 at a White House news briefing this week, where he said he has lost 10 family members to the disease. He accused tech companies of allowing falsehoods to “poison our information environment with little accountability to their users.”
With Biden joining Murthy’s criticisms Friday, Facebook spokesperson Dani Lever said that the tech giant is “helping save lives” and that “more than 2 billion people have viewed authoritative information about COVID-19 and vaccines on Facebook, which is more than any other place on the internet.”
Conservative media’s framing of the vaccines came into this spotlight this week after Newsmax prime-time host Rob Schmitt - a former Fox News co-host - said on air that he was neither “anti-vaxxer” nor “pro-vaxxer.”
“I feel like a vaccination in a weird way is just generally kind of going against nature,” he said. Newsmax later told The Washington Post that the network “strongly supports President Biden’s efforts to widely distribute the covid vaccine.”
The popular Fox News host Tucker Carlson has called himself “pro-vaccine” but also suggested that “maybe it doesn’t work and they’re simply not telling you that.”
Utah has seen its coronavirus cases, deaths and hospitalizations drop significantly with vaccination but tick up in recent weeks, according to data tracked by The Washington Post. A state website seeks to dispel misinformation about the shots: “COVID-19 vaccines don’t change your DNA.” “COVID-19 vaccines don’t contain microchips or tracking devices.” “COVID-19 vaccines have not been linked to infertility or miscarriage.”
With at least one dose for 66.5% of adults, Utah is more than 10 percentage points ahead of the country as a whole. Among American adults, 48.4 are fully vaccinated, according to Post tracking. Biden originally set a goal of giving at least one dose of coronavirus vaccine to 70% of adults by July 4.
Yet another Republican governor trying to help save the life of his citizens....
Governor Hutchinson to Start Statewide Tour To Answer Questions About COVID-19, Vaccinations
LITTLE ROCK – Governor Asa Hutchinson will hold a series of Community Covid Conversations to hear first-hand the concerns of Arkansans about COVID-19 and the vaccinations, the Governor announced today at his weekly news conference. The first meeting will be at 6 p.m. Thursday in Cabot.
The Governor set a goal of vaccinating 50 percent of Arkansans by the end of July. As of today, 39 percent of Arkansans have taken the shot. The Governor will answer questions in the hope of encouraging more Arkansans to receive the vaccine.
“It starts with a conversation with communities,” he said. “It does come down to individual responsibility. I’m the leader of this state. I want to do all I can. It would be easier for me to sit back and say, ‘I’m weary of this COVID conversation.’ I’m sure everybody in this room is. But that’s not leadership. Leadership is saying, ‘Let’s plow on.... let’s get through this. Let’s see if we can do a little bit better.’”
The Governor noted that more than 50 percent of the population of Bradley County is fully vaccinated. One million Arkansans have been fully vaccinated, but that’s not enough to stop the spread.
“We are losing ground in July,” Governor Hutchinson said, in large part because of the Delta variant, which is more contagious than COVID-19 and the symptoms are more severe. The vaccine is effective against all of the COVID variants.
On Tuesday, the Arkansas Department of Health reported 270 new cases and six additional deaths. The increase of hospitalizations to 55 is the largest increase since January.
As the vaccine has become widely available, younger people have been the most hesitant to get it. In November 2020, the average age of those hospitalized with COVID-19 was 64. As people that age and older are taking the vaccine, the average age of those hospitalized has declined to 54. The average age of those who have died from COVID has decreased from 78 to 66.
The Governor encouraged employers to provide paid time off for employees to get the vaccination and for those who may need time off to recover from a reaction to the vaccine.
“I am asking employers in our state to take a leadership role in encouraging vaccinations in the workplace. Let me emphasize, employers were the first ones to push us. ‘We need the vaccine.’ They’ve done an incredible job of leading and getting their workplace vaccinated early on during the pandemic. We need them to come back and to reemphasize the need for vaccinations in the workplace.”
The American Rescue Plan provides a one-hundred-percent tax credit for the cost of paid time off for a business with fewer than 500 employees, said Randy Zook, president and CEO of the Arkansas State Chamber of Commerce and the Associated Industries of Arkansas. “This is a new deal,” Mr. Zook said. “It’s very simple to do ... a little bit of paperwork.”
He's been the 'head infectious disease guy' for some crazy amount of time spanning a gaggle of presidents. It's his job to know about and anticipate these things.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
The funny thing is we all know where they get their news from. Then they claim that the low vaccination rate isn't a Republican issue. You can't make this crap up.
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The overlap between areas of lagging vaccination rates and Republican voting has been thoroughly documented. I just think that a hard-line stance that's totally predicated on that significant correlation overlooks the other demographics that also seem to be vaccine hesitant.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I think my biggest issue on that front is that I don't know what kind of discourse, dialogue, or what else could be done in order to assuage minds that have already been made up, be it for political reasons or whatever else.
I'm hoping that FDA approval makes for another big step forward, but I'm just so cynical at this point.
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We could put everything under a microscope and look deeper into it. But as you can see, it's the republicans on this very board who are advocating how it's a matter of "freedom" and a question of "choice" in terms of being vaccinated.
As you can plainly see they have no concern about how viruses actually work. They mutate and with each strain become stronger and it's to the point that the longer this continues, the more the likelihood becomes a strain will come along that the vaccines will not be able to combat.
So while I don't dismiss what you're saying, since it's right wing media and republicans on social media spreading misinformation on the vaccine, that's where my focus lies.
As an analogy I liken it to someone having cancer and complaining about their ankle being sore.
Let's look quickly at the black population as an example. Now history gives us a quick lesson as to why they wouldn't trust our scientific community in terms of something like this. Yet when it comes to our population, only 13.4% of American are black. So let's say as an example that 60% of our black population refuses to get the vaccine. That would be just ever so slightly more than 8% of our population.
With herd immunity being set at about 75% of our population, that 8% isn't going to get us close to that compared to where we are now. Only one group has the power to change that. That's the goal I want to see reached in my country and that's why I'm focused on the only real way that can be accomplished.
I'm fighting the cancer and not the sore ankle.
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Federal judge affirms Indiana University vaccine requirement
INDIANAPOLIS (AP) - A federal judge is allowing Indiana University to continue with its COVID-19 vaccine requirement for all students and employees.
A ruling from a judge in South Bend rejects a request from eight IU students who sought to block the requirement while they pursued a lawsuit claiming that the university’s policy violated both their constitutional rights and the state’s new law banning vaccine passports.
The judge held a hearing on the case last week and wrote in his ruling that evidence so far shows that IU has pursued a reasonable policy in the “legitimate interest of public health for its students, faculty and staff.”
IU sent the following statement in regards to the court’s ruling.
“A ruling from the federal court has affirmed Indiana University’s COVID-19 vaccination plan designed for the health and well-being of our students, faculty and staff. We appreciate the quick and thorough ruling which allows us to focus on a full and safe return. We look forward to welcoming everyone to our campuses for the fall semester.”
No doubt the Dr. knows more about science than Paul, but that doesn't mean that Paul's point isn't correct. I am sure paul had plenty of prep by people who do know what they are talking about.
Fauci has done good things over the years, but he is flip flopping yet again. It's time for that guy to take a backseat. Keep him around as long as he likes to help with research.
It's pretty clear China has had a much bigger role in this whole mess then many have been led to believe or want to admit. I don't know if they deliberately released this thing to interfere with the election, but the timing sure makes one wonder, and in time the truth will come out. Maybe they didn't. But the virus sure as heck was developed in their lab and leaked out of their lab one way or another, so the world needs to hold China's nose to the grindstone.
Make no mistake, China and communism are dead set on world domination. It's time or some to wake up. We talk about our children's future. Well, the future is nearly here and it is pretty grim.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Based on Dr. Fauci's experience and level of knowledge, and based on him saying that Rand Paul is wrong, coupled with Paul's well-established history of being a moron, it does mean that Paul's point is incorrect.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I can't imagine for the life of me why this is still even an issue. But it points out perfectly how they're willing to believe anything from the right.
Faucci is the top viral expert in our nation. Paul is a politician who has repeatedly done anything and everything to come up with hair brain conspiracies to try and undermine Faucci.
See, this isn't a Republican in a political squabble with a Democrat. This is a Republican attacking science. And the minions follow like children behind the Pied Piper.
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Based on Dr. Fauci's experience and level of knowledge, and based on him saying that Rand Paul is wrong, coupled with Paul's well-established history of being a moron, it does mean that Paul's point is incorrect.
We'll see.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I absolutely 100% think that we should not trust China and pull on the thread of the causation. I absolutely abhor the Chinese government and its policies.
Where I depart is hinting at the fact that they intentionally released a virus that killed millions in order to interfere with an election. That is quite an allegation.
What seems more likely to me in the event of a lab leak is that China is looking to both save face and avoid liability. They have already made their claim that it didn't leak from a lab and now that there is scrutiny, it is not in their nature to say "Oh, wait, yep, there was a leak. Our bad." They double, triple or quadruple down on their original assertions, no matter what. They gaslight just like Russia does.
Fauci issued the counterpoint that it was molecularly impossible for the mutuation to have taken place in the lab. I don't know if that's true or not, but that's another thread I would like to pull on.
The problem is often making a conclusion and then looking for facts or evidence to justify it, rather than looking at the facts or evidence and then drawing the conclusion. We all have our inclinations and it's often hard to get past that, but it's the right thing to do.
When it comes to Paul and Fauci, there is uneven ground in the discussion. Paul is a politician and he's going to move toward his conclusion, regardless of the facts. He's not alone among politicians in that aspect.
Fauci has been in his role spanning both political spectrums across multiple administrations. He's not a politician. He was not viewed politically until COVID started and he was at odds with the previous administration, which then segued into Congress.
I do think he's made some errors in his assessments. To his admission though, as more data came in, he adjusted to respond to the data. If you look at Paul, or Pelosi, Cruz, or whoever in office, you see that facts or data rarely influences them to change course. Someone in Fauci's position doing those same things would be a very dangerous premise.
That dynamic I think speaks to the discourse between the two. Paul is looking for anywhere that Fauci could be wrong and makes a dog and pony show about it to gain political points. I think there can be fair points to criticize Fauci, but the Rand Paul method of doing so is disingenuous at best.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
No doubt the Dr. knows more about science than Paul, but that doesn't mean that Paul's point isn't correct.
It's pretty clear that Paul was just trying to score cheap political points with Trumps base.. He'll do anything to push the narrative off Trumps inept handling of the situation.
I was wondering,, and perhaps you can tell me. If a witness before congress lies, we know they are in deep do do.
What if a member of congress lies? do they skate or are they in deep do do also?
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Based on Dr. Fauci's experience and level of knowledge, and based on him saying that Rand Paul is wrong, coupled with Paul's well-established history of being a moron, it does mean that Paul's point is incorrect.
What's new? You ignore everything that you don't want to hear. Even when it's been proven American deaths can be prevented. You believe the politicians that tell you what you want to hear rather than actual health professionals.
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It's a sign of the times. I find oober to be one of the most objective posters on this board. Now, it's not about one fringe ignoring the other fringe, but about ignoring anything that might differ from your view...
...and then following that up by liking your own posts.
*Edit* "Your" in this sense is the universal "your" not you specifically.
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There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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