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More about the tourists, at least one of them, who stormed the Capital.

16 members of Florida white supremacist gang charged in sweeping indictment.

The group called the Unforgiven required its members to study "Aryan Philosophy" and carry out acts of extreme violence, the indictment says.

Sixteen members of a Florida-based white supremacist group – who went by names such as Shrek, Pretty Boy and Scumbag – have been charged in a 12-count racketeering indictment accusing them of engaging in acts of murder, kidnapping and other offenses.

The members of the group called the Unforgiven used “corrupt law enforcement officers and state employees” to gather information about the investigation and to smuggle contraband to incarcerated inmates, the indictment says.

The group required its members to study "Aryan Philosophy" and carry out acts of extreme violence to gain entry into the gang, the indictment says. They were also required to ​​get tattoos – which included swastikas, iron crosses and SS bolts – pay dues and attend regular meetings known as “Church,” the court papers say.

Members also created a political branch called Route 21, which federal prosecutors described as an “attempt to disguise the white supremacist roots of its political activity.”

One of the people named in the indictment, David Howell, 39, was charged with assaulting protesters with a dangerous weapon at a ‘Peace Walk for Black Lives’ protest last June. An attorney for Howell, of Loxahatchee, Florida, was not listed in court records.

Several members – including George “Shrek” Andrews, Brandon “Scumbag” Welch and Joshua “Chain Gang” Wilson – are facing up to 30 years in prison if convicted.

The three men could not be immediately reached, and it was not clear if they had hired lawyers.

The Anti-Defamation League describes the group as a white supremacist prison gang. The indictment says the group was created in part to rebel against a “perceived constant and almost brutal victimization of whites” in the Florida prison system.

Another member of the group, Michael Curzio, pleaded guilty Monday to participating in the storming of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. He was sentenced to six months in prison but was set to be released from jail this week after receiving credit for time served.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-court...jEpiOC1ku6RXX1k

That's a good thing.

So hard core criminals hold an insurrection and they get 6 months with time off for time served... smh

If libs had done this crap GOPers would be expecting the death sentence.

I wouldn't.

I could have answered your comment...kind of like you?


It was idiots in at most a riot.

It was absolutely and insurrection by definition and it was an attack on our country bro, I don't care what shade of red your glasses are...

And I do expect them to face longer prison terms to the man. I would think 3-5 minimum. But I guess being an idiot is now an excuse to break the law. Maybe I should start robbing banks and just play dumb afterwards...

Now you're just trolling.

The group itself or them being arrested?

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This isn't related to Jan. 6th but it does go with the current theme of right wing domestic terrorism.

2 charged with plotting to blow up Democratic headquarters in California

SACRAMENTO, Calif. —

Two California men have been charged with plotting to blow up the Democratic Party's headquarters in the state capital, a bombing they hoped would be the first in a series of politically-motivated attacks, federal prosecutors said Thursday.

The pair used multiple messaging apps to plan to attack targets they associated with Democrats after the November 2020 presidential election, the U.S. Attorney's Office said in a statement. Their first intended target was the John L. Burton Democratic Headquarters in Sacramento, prosecutors said.

"According to the indictment, the defendants planned to use incendiary devices to attack their targets and hoped their attacks would prompt a movement," the statement said.

Ian Benjamin Rogers, 45, and Jarrod Copeland, 37, each face multiple charges including conspiracy to destroy by fire or explosive a building used or in affecting interstate commerce, prosecutors said.

Rogers, of Napa, is charged with additional weapons violations, including one count of possession of unregistered destructive devices, and three counts of possession of machine guns. Copeland, of Vallejo, is charged with an additional count of destruction of records.

It wasn't known Thursday evening if the men have attorneys who could speak on their behalf.

"I want to blow up a democrat building bad," Rogers wrote, according to the indictment unsealed Thursday in San Francisco federal court. Copeland responded, "I agree" and "Plan attack," the indictment says.

In late December 2020, Copeland told Rogers he contacted an anti-government militia group to gather support for their movement, according to court documents.

In one exchange, Rogers wrote to Copeland, "after the 20th we go to war," meaning that they would initiate acts of violence after Joe Biden's inauguration on Jan. 20, 2021, the court papers say.

On Jan. 15, law enforcement officers searched Rogers's home and seized a cache of weapons, including 45 to 50 firearms, thousands of rounds of ammunition, and five pipe bombs, prosecutors said.

Copeland is accused of attempting to destroy evidence of the plan after Rogers' Jan. 15 arrest.

Copeland was arrested Wednesday and made an initial court appearance Thursday. He's scheduled to appear in court again on July 20 for a detention hearing. Rogers is scheduled to appear in court July 30 for a status conference.

If convicted on all charges, each defendant faces a maximum of 20 years in prison, officials said.

https://www.wvtm13.com/article/democratic-headquarters-bomb-plot/37042147

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‘They’re not going to f**king succeed’: Top generals feared Trump would attempt a coup after election, according to new book

Washington CNN —

The top US military officer, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Mark Milley, was so shaken that then-President Donald Trump and his allies might attempt a coup or take other dangerous or illegal measures after the November election that Milley and other top officials informally planned for different ways to stop Trump, according to excerpts of an upcoming book obtained by CNN.

The book, from Pulitzer Prize-winning Washington Post reporters Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker, describes how Milley and the other Joint Chiefs discussed a plan to resign, one-by-one, rather than carry out orders from Trump that they considered to be illegal, dangerous or ill-advised.

“It was a kind of Saturday Night Massacre in reverse,” Leonnig and Rucker write.

The book, “I Alone Can Fix It,” scheduled to be released next Tuesday, chronicles Trump’s final year as president, with a behind-the-scenes look at how senior administration officials and Trump’s inner circle navigated his increasingly unhinged behavior after losing the 2020 election. The authors interviewed Trump for more than two hours.

The book recounts how for the first time in modern US history the nation’s top military officer, whose role is to advise the president, was preparing for a showdown with the commander in chief because he feared a coup attempt after Trump lost the November election.

The authors explain Milley’s growing concerns that personnel moves that put Trump acolytes in positions of power at the Pentagon after the November 2020 election, including the firing of Defense Secretary Mark Esper and the resignation of Attorney General William Barr, were the sign of something sinister to come.

Milley spoke to friends, lawmakers and colleagues about the threat of a coup, and the Joint Chiefs chairman felt he had to be “on guard” for what might come.

“They may try, but they’re not going to f**king succeed,” Milley told his deputies, according to the authors. “You can’t do this without the military. You can’t do this without the CIA and the FBI. We’re the guys with the guns.”

In the days leading up to January 6, Leonnig and Rucker write, Milley was worried about Trump’s call to action. “Milley told his staff that he believed Trump was stoking unrest, possibly in hopes of an excuse to invoke the Insurrection Act and call out the military.”

Milley viewed Trump as “the classic authoritarian leader with nothing to lose,” the authors write, and he saw parallels between Adolf Hitler’s rhetoric as a victim and savior and Trump’s false claims of election fraud.

“This is a Reichstag moment,” Milley told aides, according to the book. “The gospel of the Führer.”

Ahead of a November pro-Trump “Million MAGA March” to protest the election results, Milley told aides he feared it “could be the modern American equivalent of ‘brownshirts in the streets,’” referring to the pro-Nazi militia that fueled Hitler’s rise to power.

Milley will not publicly address the issues raised in the book, a defense official close to the general told CNN. The official did not dispute that Milley engaged in activities and communications that are not part of the traditional portfolio of a chairman in the final days of Trump’s presidency.

“He’s not going to sit in silence while people try to use the military against Americans,” the official said. So while Milley “tried his hardest to actively stay out of politics,” if the events that occurred brought him into that arena temporarily, “so be it,” the official said.

The official added that the general was not calling Trump a Nazi but felt he had no choice but to respond given his concerns that the rhetoric used by the President and his supporters could lead to such an environment.

Trump on Thursday issued a lengthy statement attacking Milley.

“I never threatened, or spoke about, to anyone, a coup of our Government,” Trump wrote in his statement, adding, “So ridiculous!”

“Sorry to inform you, but an Election is my form of ‘coup,’ and if I was going to do a coup, one of the last people I would want to do it with is General Mark Milley,” Trump continued.
’This is all real, man’

Rucker and Leonnig interviewed more than 140 sources for the book, though most were given anonymity to speak candidly to reconstruct events and dialogue. Milley is quoted extensively and comes off in a positive light as someone who tried to keep democracy alive because he believed it was on the brink of collapse after receiving a warning one week after the election from an old friend.

“What they are trying to do here is overturn the government,” said the friend, who is not named, according to the authors. “This is all real, man. You are one of the few guys who are standing between us and some really bad stuff.”

Milley’s reputation took a major hit in June 2020, when he joined Trump during his controversial photo-op at St. John’s Church, after federal forces violently dispersed a peaceful crowd of social justice protesters at Lafayette Square outside the White House. To make matters worse, Milley wore camouflage military fatigues throughout the incident. He later apologized, saying, “I should not have been there.”

But behind the scenes, the book says Milley was on the frontlines of trying to protect the country, including an episode where he tried to stop Trump from firing FBI Director Chris Wray and CIA Director Gina Haspel.

Leonnig and Rucker recount a scene when Milley was with Trump and his top aides in a suite at the Army-Navy football game in December, and publicly confronted White House chief of staff Mark Meadows.

“What’s going on? Are you guys getting rid of Wray or Gina?” Milley asked. “Come on chief. What the hell is going on here? What are you guys doing?”

“Don’t worry about it,” Meadows said. “Just some personnel moves.”

“Just be careful,” Milley responded, which Leonnig and Rucker write was said as a warning that he was watching.
’That doesn’t make any sense’

The book also sheds new light on Trump’s descent into a dark and isolated vacuum of conspiracy theories and self-serving delusions after he was declared the loser of the 2020 election.

After the January 6 insurrection, the book says Milley held a conference call each day with Meadows and then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. Leonnig and Rucker report the officials used the calls to compare notes and “collectively survey the horizon for trouble.”

“The general theme of these calls was, come hell or high water, there will be a peaceful transfer of power on January twentieth,” one senior official told the authors. “We’ve got an aircraft, our landing gear is stuck, we’ve got one engine, and we’re out of fuel. We’ve got to land this bad boy.”

Milley told aides he saw the calls as an opportunity to keep tabs on Trump, the authors write.

A second defense official told CNN that Milley and the Joint Chiefs met on both January 7 and 8, with some calling in virtually, to discuss not only what happened at the violent insurrection at the US Capitol but also to discuss their growing worry about the emerging “what if” scenarios.

On January 12, they signed a memo rejecting the violence and told troops to stand strong, reminding service members of their obligation to support and defend the Constitution and reject extremism.

The second defense official said the “what if” scenarios included everything from dealing with rumored unrest at every state capitol to the possibility Trump didn’t leave office. “What happens if the crazies take over, what do we do?” was the focus of the discussion and essentially what became a mini-wargame to plan for possible scenarios.

There was concern in part about being “ready” because they had seen the slow National Guard response on the Hill on January 6.

If Trump didn’t leave the White House, it was going to be up to Department of Justice, Department of Homeland Security and the US Secret Service to deal with him and related domestic unrest. For the Joint Chiefs, the minute Democratic nominee Joe Biden was sworn in would be it – he would be the commander in chief at that point and Trump would no longer hold power.

The official said that a realistic scenario is none of the chiefs would have resigned. They would have not carried out illegal orders, but they would have made Trump fire them.

Leonnig and Rucker also recount a scene where Pompeo visited Milley at home in the weeks before the election, and the two had a heart-to-heart conversation sitting at the general’s table. Pompeo is quoted as saying, “You know the crazies are taking over,” according to people familiar with the conversation.

The authors write that Pompeo, through a person close to him, denied making the comments attributed to him and said they were not reflective of his views.

In recent weeks Trump has attacked Milley, who is still the Joint Chiefs chairman in the Biden administration, after he testified to Congress about January 6.
’You f**king did this’

The book also contains several striking anecdotes about prominent women during the Trump presidency, including GOP Rep. Liz Cheney, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and former first lady Michelle Obama.

The book details a phone call the day after the January 6 insurrection between Milley and Cheney, the Wyoming Republican who has close military ties. Cheney voted to impeach Trump and has been an outspoken critic of his election lies, leading to her ouster from House GOP leadership.

Milley asked Cheney how she was doing.

“That f**king guy Jim Jordan. That son of a b*tch,” Cheney said, according to the book.

Cheney bluntly relayed to Milley what she experienced on the House floor on January 6 while pro-Trump rioters overran police and breached the Capitol building, including a run-in with Jordan, a staunch Trump ally in the House who feverishly tried to overturn the election.

Cheney described to Milley her exchange with Jordan: “While these maniacs are going through the place, I’m standing in the aisle and he said, ‘We need to get the ladies away from the aisle. Let me help you.’ I smacked his hand away and told him, ‘Get away from me. You f**king did this.’”
’Crazy,’ ‘dangerous,’ ‘maniac’

The book reveals Pelosi’s private conversations with Milley during this tenuous period. When Trump fired Esper in November, Pelosi was one of several lawmakers who called Milley. “We are all trusting you,” she said. “Remember your oath.”

After the January 6 insurrection, Pelosi told the general she was deeply concerned that a “crazy,” “dangerous” and “maniac” Trump might use nuclear weapons during his final days in office.

“Ma’am, I guarantee you these processes are very good,” Milley reassured her. “There’s not going to be an accidental firing of nuclear weapons.”

“How can you guarantee me?” Pelosi asked.

“Ma’am, there’s a process,” he said. “We will only follow legal orders. We’ll only do things that are legal, ethical, and moral.”

A week after the insurrection, Pelosi led House Democrats’ second impeachment of Trump for inciting the insurrection. In an interview with the authors, Pelosi said she fears another president could try to pick up where Trump left off.

“We might get somebody of his ilk who’s sane, and that would really be dangerous, because it could be somebody who’s smart, who’s strategic, and the rest,” Pelosi said. “This is a slob. He doesn’t believe in science. He doesn’t believe in governance. He’s a snake-oil salesman. And he’s shrewd. Give him credit for his shrewdness.”
’That b*tch’

The book quotes Trump, who had a strained relationship with Merkel, as telling his advisers during an Oval Office meeting about NATO and the US relationship with Germany, “That b*tch Merkel.”

“‘I know the f**king krauts,’ the president added, using a derogatory term for German soldiers from World War I and World War II,” Leonnig and Rucker write. “Trump then pointed to a framed photograph of his father, Fred Trump, displayed on the table behind the Resolute Desk and said, ‘I was raised by the biggest kraut of them all.’”

Trump, through a spokesman, denied to the authors making these comments.
’No one has a bigger smile’

After January 6, Milley participated in a drill with military and law enforcement leaders to prepare for the January 20 inauguration of President Joe Biden. Washington was on lockdown over fears that far-right groups like the Proud Boys might try to violently disrupt the transfer of power.

Milley told a group of senior leaders, “Here’s the deal, guys: These guys are Nazis, they’re boogaloo boys, they’re Proud Boys. These are the same people we fought in World War II. We’re going to put a ring of steel around this city and the Nazis aren’t getting in.”

Trump did not attend the inauguration, in a notable break with tradition, and the event went off without incident.

As the inauguration ceremony ended, Kamala Harris, who had just been sworn in as vice president, paused to thank Milley. “We all know what you and some others did,” she said, according to the authors. “Thank you.”

The book ends with Milley describing his relief that there had not been a coup, thinking to himself, “Thank God Almighty, we landed the ship safely.”

Milley expressed his relief in the moments after Biden was sworn in, speaking to the Obamas sitting on the inauguration stage. Michelle Obama asked Milley how he was feeling.

“No one has a bigger smile today than I do,” Milley said, according to Leonnig and Rucker. “You can’t see it under my mask, but I do.”

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/14/politics/donald-trump-election-coup-new-book-excerpt/index.html

Trump did his normal thing- deny, change it around, bad mouth the Chief of Staff of military- millions voted for the idiot. I just can't believe we voted for the scumbag. PS I didn't vote for Hillary...both choices that year unacceptable. Our republic is in danger if those two were the best we had to offer. Pray.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-supporter-capitol-rioters-there-to-overthrow-government-2021-7


A Trump supporter who stormed the Capitol told book author the rioters weren't there to 'steal things' or 'do damage': 'We were just there to overthrow the government'

Lauren Frias 4 hours ago


A Trump supporter said rioters were "just there to overthrow the government," a new book by Wall Street Journal reporter Michael Bender says.

Saundra Kiczenski, a 56-year-old from Michigan, told Bender she was "confident" that former President Donald Trump won the 2020 election, according to the book "Frankly, We Did Win This Election," published earlier this week.

"If someone put a gun to my head and said: 'Did Donald Trump win, yes or no? And if you're wrong, we're going to shoot your head off!' I would say 'yes,'" Kiczenski told Bender, according to an excerpt of the book that was published by The Washington Post. "I'm that confident that this stuff is not made up."

In the book, Bender detailed former President Donald Trump's effort to overturn the election after becoming the first incumbent in decades to fail to win reelection.

"We weren't there to steal things," Kiczenski, who entered the Capitol on January 6, said, according to the book excerpt. "We weren't there to do damage. We were just there to overthrow the government."

But when Trump took to Twitter to urge his supporters to go home, Kiczenski said she felt sad and confused, Bender wrote.

"We were supposed to be fighting until the end," she said.

A pro-Trump mob descended on the Capitol on January 6 in an attempt to interrupt lawmakers voting to certify the win of then-President-elect Joe Biden in the 2020 election. This followed a barrage of lies about the 2020 election from the former president for which he was impeached by the House but then later acquitted in the Senate earlier this year. According to an Insider database, more than 500 people have been charged in connection with the riot, which lasted about four hours.

Several bombshell books portray an inside look at the Trump administration's reaction to the insurrection, including a new book, "I Alone Can Fix It: Donald J. Trump's Catastrophic Final Year," by Washington Post reporters Philip Rucker and Carol D. Leonnig.

According to the book, then Vice President Mike Pence, who oversaw the congressional vote, refused to evacuate the Capitol despite the Secret Service urging him to leave.

Tim Giebels, Pence's lead security agent, asked the vice president "twice" to evacuate the building, to which Pence said "I'm not leaving the Capitol," according to the book.

"We need to get back tonight," Pence told top US officials on a call, according to the book. "We can't let the world see that our process of confirming the next president can be delayed."

Eh, anyone with two brain cells knows some rioters cannot "overthrow the government." A bunch of unarmed idiots.

Even all the militias in the country, white and black combined, with actual weapons, could not "overthrow the government"

Libtards are denoted as dumb for a reason. Only stupid people believe in this.

No. The stupid people believed donny won… and then stormed the Capitol to attempt to overturn the election. Insurrection. Period.
More stupid people refuse to see the facts.

While also inventing a new narrative devoid of reality.... Like claiming the video footage distorts what was like any other tourist visit to the Capitol building.

I would change or add that is isn't only stupid people.

Only stupid people think if someone fails at an attempt to rob a bank it's no big deal.

Says the guy who claimed it was no big deal for Richard Sherman to try to break into a house because he didn't mange to break the door down.

Sorry Pit, you walked right into that one.

Not at all. Trying to break into a home is a big deal. Trying to break down a door to get to people is a big deal. But that's not inflicting violence on someone. It is what it is.

However, in this particular case, Trump appeared to want the military to help in the over throw of the government.

That is if you believe the reports our there about what General Milley was thinking.

Which by the way causes me to believe the reason Republicans and other Trumpians don't want there to be an investigation into Jan 6 is that for sure, Milley will be called to testify.

Poop will hit the fan on that day. Guys like Mo Brooks Jim Jordan and others will end up in some hot water.

Milley saw signs suggesting this might be the case and developed a contingency plan in case that happened.

But no, Republicans didn't want an investigation because it would plainly show they were advocating and supporting the crazy conspiracy theories that ignited January 6th. It would show to everyone that BLM and ANTIFA had nothing to do with it.

There's mo way they would want the fact that this was all based on a pack of lies they themselves helped spread being shown to their base.

That is probably just what happened.. I'd just like Milley to say it under oath in front of the entire country.

Of course, if he does, he will immediately be labeled a traitor by Trump and his minions

That depends on who controls the military.

If a traitor like Michael Flynn was still under trump control. What then?

If Jan 6th does not turn your stomach as an American no matter your party.

then you turn mine.

#Truth

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Great read here.

https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-trump-misinformation-aa051fa751d718407638dbe308647a7a

The whole thing is good and in depth ...

Trumpians won't like this one bit

I hope Pelosi stops Jordan from being on the committee. She reserved the right to approve McCarthy's appointments.

Jim Jordon is a good choice...

Maybe we can find out why an unarmed female veteran, Ashli Babbitt was killed!

I'm not so sure. There's a good chance that, if he knew or found out that something bad did happen, that he probably wouldn't disclose it to the rest of the investigating committee...


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He didn't when he was at Ohio State..

You got the hint

When we look at what was it, what awful thing the government could do that would cause these people to act this way.

July 20, 2021

As they start sentencing January 6 detainees, the Democrats have a problem


By Andrea Widburg

Since January 6, the Democrats have played up the kerfuffle in the Capitol on January as the worst thing ever in American history, while ignoring the innumerable times leftists have aggressively invaded the Capitol. This is different and the wrongdoers must be punished. The problem with this narrative, though, was revealed on Monday when the first person charged with a felony for January 6 got sentenced. Was the sentence life imprisonment? Beheading? No. It was eight months in prison. Talk about a narrative fail.

Within minutes of January 6, the Democrats, who had turned a blind eye to the incredible violence of 2020, much of it played out on federal property, had their narrative in place: When elderly, unarmed people clamored to enter the Capitol – and the Capitol police opened the doors to let them in – that was an “insurrection.”

D.C., therefore, had to be turned into an armed camp. This was a convenient way to hide the fact that, had D.C. been open for business as usual on inauguration day, no one would have turned up to see the doddering mound of corruption that is Joe Biden false swear an oath he immediately ignored.

Since January 6, Democrats have escalated their rhetoric. Steve Cohen, a Tennessee Democrat, likened January 6 to the Exodus and Pearl Harbor:

“We just celebrated Passover. On Passover, Jewish people are instructed over two centuries to remember 2,000 years, over 2,000 years, to remember that we were in bondage, and we escaped,” Cohen said. “Remember that day, and to teach people about it. January 6th is a day like that. It’s a day that should be remembered in America because our democracy was at stake. It was under attack as much as Pearl Harbor was an attack on our country, for people to suggest that it wasn’t that big of a deal.”

Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Vichy Republican, compared it Kristallnacht.

Rep. Eric Swalwell, a man too stupid to realize that the only reason a pretty Chinese woman would sleep with him was that she was a spy; Nancy Pelosi, and myriad former intelligence officials, all described January 6 as a 9/11-style attack. The fact that 9/11 saw Islamic terrorists murder 2,996 people while January 6 saw a Capitol police officer murder one unarmed former member of the air force didn’t resonate with them.

Joe Biden, of course, reads without flinching the nonsense fed him. (Biden is clearly sentient enough to understand every attack he makes on America and Americans. This is just another in his many betrayals of his country for the last 47 years. He used to do it for money. Now he does it for prestige.)

On April 29, when Biden finally stood before Congress, he claimed that January 6 was “the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War.” Again, on January 6, a bunch of unarmed, middle-aged, and elderly people swarmed Congress, the Capitol police let them in, the people wandered around, the police murdered an unarmed woman, and that was it. Meanwhile, the Civil War lasted four years, saw more than 600,000 deaths, cost $5.2 billion in 1860’s dollars, and led to Lincoln’s assassination.

Just last week, Biden went even further as part of his effort to stop states from putting in place laws that will stop the kind of election fraud that put Biden in the White House. Now, January 6 wasn’t the worst attack since the Civil War; it was worse than the Civil War:

The assault on free and fair elections is just such a threat, literally. I’ve said it before: We’re are facing the most significant test of our democracy since the Civil War. That’s not hyperbole. Since the Civil War. The Confederates back then never breached the Capitol as insurrectionists did on January the 6th.

Did you catch that? What Biden said is not hyperbole. Unarmed people wandering through the Capitol is worse than the Civil War. Biden is either the most dishonest man ever to occupy the White House or the most stupid. Or perhaps both.

Democrat voters who take these claims at face value, feel the punishment should fit the crime. I’ve seen people on my Facebook feed talk about life imprisonment as an appropriate punishment or, at least, 25 years. No one has talked about the death sentence yet, but I know they want it.

So, what happened to Paul Allard Hodgkins, 38, the first of the many that the FBI have hunted down with the vengeful fury of Inspector Javert hunting Jean Valjean? The government did charge him with a felony, which is more serious than trespassing. Hodgkins was sentenced to 8 months in jail (which is 8 more than he should have gotten under the standards set by the government’s treatment of violent Antifa and BLM looters and rioters).

In other words, having weaponized January 6, the Democrats were able to fire only a squib. People will notice. The Democrats lied...again.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/202..._a_problem.html

did you post that article to show why no one should ever read American thinker? what a load of absolute tosh .... kerfuffle? the left has done the same thing multiple times before? really? with the same violence to law enforcement? with the same post event deaths of law enforcement? with those participating wearing tactical military attire and zip ties? with the same mob chanting to hang one of the politicians? ..... yeah no.

your article is just part of the right-wing attempt to completely rewrite the narrative of what happened on January the 6th. its disgusting and i'm shocked there are people so brain washed that they could even read and pass along set disinformation.

That's easy,... she broke into the capital, rioted along with a bunch of other idiot Trump supporters and insurrectionists..

She broke the frickin law and paid the price..

That's why

Calling the insurrection of Jan 6 and mere Kerfuffle is idiotic. It doesn't reflect the real importance of the event. It doesn't show how illegal those actions were.

Simply, they broke the law and it appears that democrats and a few (very few) republicans are willing to look under the hood to determine who is responsible.

If that makes them bad people, then I'm with the bad people on this one.

How can anyone say they love America and not be with those that want the truth..

1. She wasn't murdered (see point 3)

2. If she was only floating with the average level of stupidity for that day, then she'd merely be in the process of getting rung up on felony charges. She died because she sunk to an even lower level of stupidity.

3. She died because she rushed a room that Secret Service was protecting and had barricaded. You mess with the bull, you get the horns.

This may be callous, but I can't drum up any level of sympathy for someone who leaves this world under such ridiculous circumstances. I feel sorry for the SS agents who were forced to do their job.

So she DESERVED to die. Got it. Your TDS is very unhealthy.

What do the BLM and Antifa rioters deserve? Liberal politician supported bail?

Do you not see the ridiculous double-standard here?

It's interesting how the narrative on her has changed. I do feel terrible that she died. She was misguided and horribly ignorant, but I can't help but feel bad for the fact that she was a Mom and had a family.

Everything you said is correct, though. After it happened, almost everyone was in agreement that shooting her was justified.

Now that we've become distanced from the events and some "personalities" have spoken up, there is a whole lot of gaslighting going on about it.

That's a very easy answer, you try to head towards a secret service protected person shouting that you want to hang said person along with anyone else you don't agree with while in a giant violent mob, you get the same treatment. It doesn't matter who you are in an insurrection.

Pence isn't some "liberal", he's a conservative Republican who was being protected. Far from being a liberal protected agenda.

The other movements weren't directly threatening a top government official, so the comparison is moot.

I watched what happened with my own two eyes. There is no amount of 'creative writing' that will erase that imagery from my brain. There is no gaslighting trick that will ever work on me.

We all saw what happened.
There is no running from this.