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Maybe all those stolen Trump votes are in the Benghazi consulate.

Someone should get right on that...

Don't be daft .. didn't you hear? The stolen votes were zapped into the ethos by a Jewish laser beam sent by a satellite ... at the orders of Hugo Chavez ... spectral analysis of some random bamboo fibers were the proof of this chain of events.

Hey never say never - you cannot prove this did not happen.

NOPE, you're both wrong. The hidden votes were taken by the lefty socialist commie pedo cabal and hidden with hillary's emails and Jimmy Hoffa's body in a top secret pizzeria secret basement. Q told me so I know it's true.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-stud...vaccinated.html

This is a bit concerning. 74% of the study with covid were vaccinated.

I have a genuine question.

If you are unvaccinated and get covid, you have a very small chance of being sick enough to be hospitalized. You are contagious.

If you are vaccinated and get covid, you have a very small chance of being sick enough to be hospitalized. You are still contagious.

So whats the point of being vaccinated?

YOU DON'T DIE! smh

That seems questionable.

https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/43-vaccinated-texans-have-died-from-covid-19-since-february-8/

https://www.masslive.com/coronavirus/202...ted-people.html

I feel like we need a more effective vaccine and also an anti-viral to treat you if you are infected.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07/21/coronavirus-texas-vaccinated-deaths/


Texas has seen nearly 9,000 COVID-19 deaths since February. All but 43 were unvaccinated people.

Preliminary data shows 99.5% of COVID-related deaths in Texas were among unvaccinated people, according to the Department of State Health Services.

BY COLLEEN DEGUZMAN JULY 21, 2021 UPDATED: JULY 23, 2021

State health officials say at least 43 fully vaccinated people have died from COVID-19 in Texas since early February, which amounts to 0.5% of COVID-19 deaths during that period.

Of the 8,787 people who have died in Texas due to COVID-19 since early February, at least 43 were fully vaccinated, the Texas Department of State Health Services said.

That means 99.5% of people who died due to COVID-19 in Texas from Feb. 8 to July 14 were unvaccinated, while 0.5% were the result of “breakthrough infections,” which DSHS defines as people who contracted the virus two weeks after being fully vaccinated.

Thank you. I just feel like we need something better. Nobody talks about developing an anti-viral so we could help those in the hospital. Thats where the real problems are.

Yes. I’m hoping prevention and treatment continue to improve.

I feel like this vaccine is a fail if you still get covid and walk around infecting everybody. They need to do better.

I expect a newer version too at some point. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some sort of booster by the end of the year either. But I wouldn't call it a fail because it is saving lives. I think that less than ideal or imperfect are fair expressions of how I feel about it. And even if the vaccines aren't all that and a bag of chips expectation-wise, it's the best thing we currently have to keep covid from killing you.

It wont be saving people unless there is a mask mandate. Because people have been told by the Govt that they dont need a mask if they have been vaccinated. So they will just catch it and spread it around to the vulnerable.

They better figure it out.

I most certainly can’t call anything a fail that is as effective as this is at keeping so many people from dying. This is a brand new virus. Medicine is not magic. I’m thrilled with what they have done so quickly. Treatment and prevention will improve over time, hopefully very soon. It’s up to the citizens of the world to do their part also.

GOP talk show host who expressed skepticism of Covid vaccine is "struggling to breathe"

MARK FRAUENFELDER 8:53 AM FRI JUL 30, 2021

Nashville radio talk show host Phil Valentine (61) is still in critical condition after being hospitalized for COVID-19 over two weeks ago, reports WBUR.

On his show, Valentine was well-known for his distrust of COVID-19 vaccines.

He refuses to take the vaccine because he believed the odds were in his favor.

On his blog, he wrote:

"I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I'm just using common sense. What are my odds of getting COVID? They're pretty low. What are my odds of dying from COVID if I do get it? Probably way less than one percent. I'm doing what everyone should do and that's my own personal health risk assessment. If you have underlying health issues you probably need to get the vaccine. If you're not at high risk of dying from COVID then you're probably safer not getting it. That evokes shrieks of horror from many, but it's true. I'm weighing the known versus the unknown."

Phil Valentine is now claiming he made a mistake — and should have taken the vaccine.

Phil's brother Mark issued a statement urging people to get vaccinated:

Phil & his family would like for all of you to know that he loves ya'll and appreciates your concern, thoughts & prayers more than you will ever know. Please continue to pray for his recovery and PLEASE GO GET VACCINATED!

From WBUR:

The radio host believed he would be back at his job within a few days of first getting the virus. Instead, he was "very close to death at several points" when his oxygen levels dropped, his brother says. While Phil Valentine has been communicative, health care workers have encouraged him to sleep as much as possible to save strength, Mark Valentine says.

"A lot of people didn't get the vaccine because I didn't get the vaccine," the radio talk show host told his brother. Now Mark Valentine is on a mission to spread Phil Valentine's new view on COVID-19 vaccines.

"That's my purpose for being here today, is to take the message that he's unable to take, and that is: Take politics out of it. It's time for us to get together and fight this thing collectively," he says. "Just put all the conspiracies and microchips and all that business aside and go get vaccinated and don't put your family through what his wife and the rest of us are going through."





https://boingboing.net/2021/07/30/gop-ta...to-breathe.html

Dying or thinking you are about to die has a way of bring you to a come to Jesus moment.

'It's too late': Alabama doctor shares final moments of Covid patients, urges vaccination
Dr. Brytney Cobia said patients dying from Covid-19 have begged for the vaccine. "I hold their hand and tell them that I'm sorry, but it's too late," she wrote.

July 21, 2021, 4:12 PM EDT
By Antonio Planas
A doctor in Alabama pleaded on Facebook this week for Covid-19 skeptics to get vaccinated — unlike some of her patients who paid the ultimate price.

Dr. Brytney Cobia’s impassioned and sobering Facebook post from Sunday has been widely circulated on social media. The Birmingham physician said people are listening to her firsthand accounts of treating critical patients who regret never getting inoculated.

“I’m admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious COVID infections. One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late," she wrote.

"A few days later when I call time of death, I hug their family members and I tell them the best way to honor their loved one is to go get vaccinated and encourage everyone they know to do the same,” she posted.

Cobia’s post was shared about 4,000 times as of Wednesday afternoon.

She also wrote in the post about difficult interactions with people who have lost loved ones to the deadly disease.

“They cry. And they tell me they didn’t know. They thought it was a hoax. They thought it was political. They thought because they had a certain blood type or a certain skin color they wouldn’t get as sick. They thought it was ‘just the flu,’” Cobia wrote.

“But they were wrong. And they wish they could go back. But they can’t. So they thank me and they go get the vaccine. And I go back to my office, write their death note, and say a small prayer that this loss will save more lives,” she continued.

Cobia declined a request for an interview on Wednesday, telling NBC News via text that she’s been receiving “threatening messages.”

“I’m a little (ie a lot) overwhelmed and I just need to step back right now,” Cobia said.

Cobia told AL.comthat treating patients with the coronavirus, even those who chose to not get a vaccination, tugs at her heart strings.

“You kind of go into it thinking, ‘OK, I’m not going to feel bad for this person, because they make their own choice,’” Cobia said.

“But then you actually see them, you see them face to face, and it really changes your whole perspective, because they’re still just a person that thinks that they made the best decision that they could with the information that they have, and all the misinformation that’s out there,” she told the news outlet.

Alabama has the lowest vaccination rate in the country. Only 38 percent of the state’s population has gotten at least one vaccine dose, and just 31 percent are fully vaccinated as of Tuesday, according to state statistics. Over the past two weeks, the rolling average number of daily new cases in Alabama has increased by 694, an uptick of 573 percent.

But Alabama is far from alone. States in the South — including Arkansas, Louisiana and Tennessee — have re-emerged as Covid-19 hot spots. The worrying increases are driven largely by the highly contagious delta variant and vaccine hesitancy, public health officials have said.

Studies have shown that the Covid-19 vaccines are effective against multiple variants, including the delta variant. A recent report from Public Health England, where the variant accounts for more than 90 percent of new cases, found that two doses of the Pfizer vaccine to be 96 percent effective against hospitalization.

It's still early in development. But to put it in perspective

Flu Shot - 40-60% effective

Polio Vaccine - 99-100% after 4 shots over 4 years. (2 months, 4 months, 6-18 months, 4-6 years) effectiveness depends on how many of the shots you received.

Measles Vaccine - 1 dose 93%, 2 doses 97% (also 4-6 years apart)

Vaccines are to help prevent, but at the same time, we each have to take our own precautions. Even with the covid vaccine, I have no intention of standing in a room full of covid positive people without any additional protections, even if they told me it's 100% effective.

j/c:

Latest Data on COVID-19 Vaccinations by Race/Ethnicity
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19...race-ethnicity/

I knew someone would attempt to bring race into it. Not surprised it was you. Blacks make up 13% of our population.

Race has been brought into it long before Memphis. I posted this same article weeks ago. The fact is the right has been beat over the head as the ones not being vaccinated. These stats just show that it isn't just people on the right. Yes, whites are the majority of the people and if we broke it down further we probably would see white conservatives aren't as highly vaccinated as liberals and moderate whites.

What the stats say is minorities are behind in getting vaccinated. It doesn't give reasons.

When that's ALL an article points to the reason is obvious.

Liberals bring up race all the time. Can't talk about race unless it fits the liberal agenda. Got it.

The liberals on this board have so many double standards, I wish you would document them all so we know what are allowed and not allowed to talk about.

So blaming blacks and other races for the spread of covid is the same thing as discussing racial inequality? Got it. You won't get away with trying to twist this one.

So, the facts don't matter to you?

There are probably many reasons. Some as simple as people don't want it or they are skeptical (which isn't race or political party specific by any means but some groups might be larger than others). Or it can be more complex particularly in impoverished areas where transportation is a major hurdle to access. Or I think one of the surveys regarding hispanic vaccinations, it mentioned possibly losing wages because they have to take off.

But in regards Pitdawg's wildly idiotic response to my posting the link... with all the comprehensive information that is in that report across several races and data addressed, it is truly sophomoric and a sad attempt to distill it down the way he did and attempt to make it an attack on a particular ethnic group. It's either a sign of ignorance or a poor attempt at trying to manufacture someone's position or an argument that isn't there. Probably both.

Everyone...don't do that. Don't be Pitdawg.

All of the facts do. An article pointing out only a few facts that paint the problem on race not so much. You aren't that blind. Even though sometimes you pretend to be. If I believed you were that blind i would worry about you.

So what idiotic name are you going to attach to someone that posts an article that only points the finger towards minorities? If you need help with that I have a couple of suggestions.

Where did the article blame blacks for spreading covid? It points out that a disparity in vaccines exists between race. Here's the tldr for you:

What it says it does and what it does isn't the same thing. Other than the racial point, what other "data" was highlighted?

The facts aren't the facts until Pitt sticks his flag in the ground and declares them as such... Even then, if he don't like 'em -- he'll tell you they're misleading and imply that you're _____ist for posting them.

Get with the program, Squires.

You've provided no quotes from the article to back up your claim that black people are being blamed. Pfft, facts don't matter unless they fit your agenda.

I didn't take that article as putting blame anywhere. I took it as fact. No blame. Sorry you can't look at facts without playing the race card.

I came into the convo late and will have to scroll back to see who said what about black people and covid... BUT I can tell you both right now that covid is blowing up again because of ALL unvaccinated people and of course Trumpian political views...

I feel like expressing some Trumpian views myself on this topic... If you are an adult and you refuse to get vaccinated for any non medical reason, then get out and go back to your country of historical origin. And Nazis can go far south because Germany won't have them back. Ya bunch of commies! < borrowed from peen.

The average hospital bill for a covid patient is about 51k.
I wonder if insurance companies are going to start looking at denying people in the hospital that don't get a vaccine

Never. The own all the GOPers and would lose too much leverage hitting their base like that.

Coronavirus transmission among vaccinated people could raise the risk of an even more dangerous variant
Aylin Woodward and Hilary Brueck 13 hours ago

vermont covid-19 vaccine
An employee receives a COVID-19 vaccine from a National Guard soldier at a pop-up vaccination stand at the Vermont Creamery in Websterville, Vermont on June 29, 2021. Ed Jones/AFP via Getty Images
The CDC says vaccinated people should mask up indoors again as cases of the Delta variant surge.
A study suggests that transmission among vaccinated people could lead to new variants that evade vaccines.
The virus is "just a few mutations potentially away" from evading vaccines, the CDC said.

The coronavirus could be "just a few mutations potentially away" from evolving into a variant that can evade existing COVID-19 vaccines, CDC director Rochelle Walensky said Tuesday.

According to research published Friday in the journal Scientific Reports, vaccinated people — counterintuitively — play a key role in that risk.

The best way to stop coronavirus deaths and severe illness is to roll out vaccines quickly. However, the researchers concluded that the chance a vaccine-resistant strain will emerge is highest in a scenario that combines three conditions: First, a large portion of a population is vaccinated, but not everyone. Second, there's a lot of virus circulating. And third, no measures are in place to curb potential viral transmission from vaccinated people. Sound familiar?

Before the rise of Delta, which is now responsible for more than 80% of US coronavirus cases, that situation wasn't a concern because research suggested vaccinated people weren't likely to transmit other versions of the virus. But according to a CDC study released Friday, vaccinated people may transmit the Delta variant just as easily as the unvaccinated.

That could help explain the recent surge in US cases: In the last month, the country's seven-day average of new daily cases has more than quintupled: from 12,263 on June 29 to 71,621 on Thursday.

The researchers concluded that, in an environment where Delta is spreading among all people — regardless of vaccination status — it is imperative to get more people vaccinated immediately to prevent the emergence of a new vaccine-resistant variant.

'Evolutionary arms race'
new york city reopening
Pedestrians cross 6th Avenue in Midtown on April 10, 2021 in New York City. John Lamparski/Getty Images
The researchers created a mathematical model that predicted which conditions are associated with the highest risk of new variants emerging that can evade vaccines.

They found if a chunk of people are vaccinated but many unvaccinated people remain, a variant that can either evade or partially evade vaccine-induced immune defenses has a competitive advantage over other versions of the virus. So over time, those less fit strains — which can't infect vaccinated hosts — die out, leaving vaccine-resistant ones to dominate the viral landscape. Then if viral transmission goes unchecked — lots of people partying maskless, say — those newly dominant variants can easily spread and further evolve.

"This means the vaccine-resistant strain spreads through the population faster at a time when most people are vaccinated," Simon Rella of the Institute of Science and Technology Austria, who worked on the study, said in an online briefing, CNN reported.

Rella and his colleagues wrote that this dynamic may give rise to "vaccine development playing catch up in the evolutionary arms race against novel strains."

Partially vaccinated people could unwittingly teach the virus to skirt our defenses
variant lab
Researchers sequence coronavirus samples at the microbiology laboratory of the University Hospital of Badajoz in Spain on April 15, 2021. Javier Pulpo/Europa Press/Getty Images
Virologists call variations of a virus that slip past vaccine- or illness-induced immune defenses "escape mutants." So far, no coronavirus variants can fully escape COVID-19 vaccines.

But the reason a future variant could do so is that the shots all target the coronavirus' spike protein — the sharp, crown-like bumps on the surface of the virus that help it invade our cells. If multiple, significant mutations alter enough characteristics of that protein, antibodies might not be able to recognize or properly fight that new variant.

Infections among people who are partially vaccinated raise the risk of a game-changing mutation because it takes time for the body to develop the antibodies, T cells, and B cells that fight the virus, and our immune response increases dramatically following the second dose. So if someone gets infected in the interim, it gives the virus a sneak peek at what it's up against. With Delta, research shows, a single shot of the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines is only 33.5% effective against the variant.

"Not having all of us immunized creates a perfect circumstance for variants that are escape mutants to arise," James Hildreth, an immunologist and president of Meharry Medical College, told Insider in April. "If there are some people who have low levels of immunity, in a way, that's almost worse than having no immunity at all."

Hildreth added that partial immunity "can actually drive the formation and presence of viruses that do not bind to the antibody."

"They're going to take over, and be the ones transmitted," he said.

Anti-Vaccine Protests US
Anti-vaccine activists protests in front of the Massachusetts State House in Boston on August 30, 2020. Scott Eisen/Getty Images
The new study supports the recent CDC guidance that vaccinated people should wear masks in areas of high transmission. Hildreth is fully vaccinated but said that hasn't stopped him from putting on his mask when he leaves the house.

"I don't want to become a vector and unwittingly spread the virus to others, which is another reason I wear the mask," he said.

Your link

https://sports.yahoo.com/coronavirus-transmission-among-vaccinated-people-121500755.html

so:



but then they say:



Vaccinated people can spread the virus and this can create a new mutation.

But if we vaccinate enough people, then the virus won't mutate

But breakthrough cases are rare in vaccinated people, so how is it there is enough infected vaccinated people spreading the virus to cause a mutation?

The CDC really needs to get their messaging straight. In the past week all they have done is confuse people. If the goal is to get more people vaccinated, their messaging from this week has done a terrible job in improving that. From what I've seen, more people are just going to say "why bother?"

That seems simple enough doesn't it? The vaccine is very effective against unmutated Covid and from what I read it is still more effective against delta variant than unvaxed.

But it is not 100% against either.

So the more (millions) of unvaxed people there are the more Covid - both mutated and variants there will be ... Period. The more people with any form of CV - the higher the number of vaxed people will contract it. The more vaxed people that contract, the higher the chance of a new mutation.

I'm no expert but that doesn't seem unreasonable to me.