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Gun control. Another that Christ would side with the Dems.

Republicans fighting harder to keep masks out or schools than guns. Again democrats.

But I won't split hairs so will count that as just 1

Dems 4, Republicans 1

jc

First, who gives a damn what a 2000 year old person would do... certainly not republicans. And modern American Christians are so far from being actual first century Christians that NOBODY is practicing Christianity. Jesus wouldn't treat immigrants this way, or the poor, or the disabled, the old, the sick, or the cast out... Republicans practice materialism and greed, not Christianity. Jesus was about love, understanding, and helping those with less. Imagine a republican running on that platform.

Janis Joplin's 'Mercedes Benz' sums up Republican Christians IMHO... It's all about what Jesus will do for them.

I'd liek to answer these the best I can.



Honestly, nothing. Jesus was not about what the world offered in earthly possessions, he was more about saving souls and bringing salvation.


See above, and I'll add "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's". The bible does not say one cannot obtain wealth. It says idolizing wealth over God is bad.


I know very few people who could live up to the standards, or even a portion of the standards layed out in the bible.

I personally try to live by the simplest standard of loving thy neighbor, be good to all people, help others. I still fail even at those at times.

Monday: "Florida Requests 300 Emergency Ventilators from Federal Government as Cases Keep Rising"
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When his disciples asked him what are the greatest commandments he said to love God with all your heart and love other people. Those are the greatest commandments.

I am not going to argue with anyone which political party more closely aligns with Gods word. For me, I have read the bible over and over again and I have made a personal choice which political party more closely aligns with his word. You can do the same.

All I know is when you die you will stand judgement and will hear 1 of 2 phrases from the mouth of Jesus. Well done good and faithful servant or depart from me I never knew you. In his discussion with the disciples he states over and over what behavior is righteous and what is not. It is not for me or anyone else to tell you what to believe. I follow his word. And speak with him daily in prayer. I choose his free gift with the intelligence he gave me.

Yet it's Republicans who promote that we have many people in our nation living on starvation wages. While Jesus set the example of feeding the poor.

We have millions upon millions of people with no healthcare yet Jesus set an example of healing the sick.

Love they neighbor? Sure, yeah, right. Jesus gave you the path to follow while you vote for people who do the opposite.



That would be my answer as well if I had no legitimate response. You came into a forum specifically titled and created to discuss politics. You brought religion into a political topic. You are the one who claimed Republicans more closely reflected your religious views.You were called on it and now your response is..... I'm not going to discuss politics?



Then maybe you could explain something to me. In the book of Revelations is talks about the resurrection. If everyone is judged on the day they die, who will be left to resurrect?

A lot of you guys talk about prayer and reading the Bible and such.

Doesn’t your God actually expect you to ACT like a Christian instead of speaking like one?

Last time I checked, in ANY religion, god judges you by your actions, not your rhetoric.

And then what’s even more pathetic, the way god expects you to ACT ain’t even hard. But y’all can’t even do that. Specifically in the Bible, there are so many commandments, but god went “you know what? As long as you can knock out these 10 specific ones, it’s all good”.

And most of y’all can’t even do that. You can’t do it yourselves, can’t vote for somebody who will do it, and actually get mad if somebody actually behaves more like a christian than you do.

I’m so serious when I say that I have a better chance of getting into the kingdom of heaven then the self described Christians in this country, and I don’t even believe in any of it. I have a better chance of getting to paradise than most Muslims, and I hate that religion.

Y’all will say a prayer then walk out the house and act like satan. Sad.

It's the "get into heaven free card". No matter what they say, how they treat people or what they do, they think asking for forgiveness makes it all okay.

Which is crazy because when you read the text, it isn’t just good enough to ask for forgiveness. You actually have to repent and THEN serve some sort of penance. It ain’t just forgive and move on.

I mean that’s basic, isn’t it?

That's not true. It's actual belief... and that's between them and God.

I believe God wants all of us to have a free will.

Put our faith in him and not man or Government.

To abide by laws so our good can not be evil spoken of. So, I do not believe he would support illegal immigration. If there is a law that says there is a legal way to immigrate he would expect us to follow that law.

Thou shalt not kill. Enough said right there about abortion.

Prayer in school. Take God out of something and something else will take his spot. I believe that is what is happening now in our schools. When prayer was removed from school chewing gum in class was the worse thing that happened at schools. Now we have school shootings, drugs, etc...

Healthcare for all. Again that goes against free will. He said to have elders lay hands on the sick and they will recover not take money from some and give to others.

He would never hate another person because they choose a lifestyle of sin. But sin still separates them from him. He changes not, He is the same God today, yesterday ,and tomorrow.

Gun control only takes guns from law abiding citizens that want to protect themselves and their families. Gun control promotes violence in our streets because law breaking people break laws that is what they do and they buy guns illegally. He would support someone protecting their family.

Support for Israel. He says I will bless those that bless Israel and curse those that curse Israel.

True racial harmony is only found at the foot of a cross. God is color blind. All men no matter what color is made in his image and is perfectly and wonderfully made.

That is why I choose the political party I do.

I'm a quiet-faithed Christian, so I don't often speak on religious issues, but I'll partake on this conversation.

I think what is even more surprising to me is that, if you look at the scriptures, Christ doesn't come down with fire and brimstone on the prostitutes, tax collectors, dregs of society, etc.

He comes down on the self-righteous. On the people who feel entitled, or like they are doing it right and everyone else is doing it wrong.

The irony there is that is how many outspoken, fundamentalist Christians act today, especially when it comes to weaving faith into politics (not pointing at anyone on this board, specifically).

The core part of my own personal faith is that 1. I'm not God. 2. I screw up a lot, and I mean A LOT, and 3. Because of #1 and #2, I can't judge anyone, and should not force my paradigm onto anyone else.

Bro I really feel that. I do.

But damn too many people use the “I’m not perfect” to not even TRY. And that’s my problem. We got too many people who want this country to operate based on a religious standard they themselves REFUSE to live up to.

God doesn’t ask any of us to be perfect. He/she ask us to do right by others and don’t screw each other over. And yet people can’t even do that.

The Pharisees and the Sadducees. Well said.

It is right up until the point they use religion as some kind of weapon to create laws and rules that inflict their religion on non believers and those of other religious faiths. At that point their religious beliefs become predatory.

And no matter how you slice it, to claim one party, the party that has worked hard to keep millions of Americans to work while remaining in poverty, to have millions of Americans to have no healthcare, and then claim to be the party of christian values? Then look at who they elected for president in 2016. A serial adulterer. A compulsive liar. A man who degrades and yells at anyone and everyone who disagrees with him.

There's a difference between a religion and a cult. At least in large part there used to be. The lines get more blurry all the time.

You can't make claims when your actions show a clear pattern to the contrary. Neither party reflects religious values. They just don't.

Let me give you an example. We have a poster who advocates very strongly that wages to those at the bottom remain low. He even suggested that if they make a living wage we would all be poor. Yet that same person posted in the EE forum that he had a television he just bought six months ago. Somehow he managed to get his settings stuck, I think it was closed caption or something. He said it was only his bedroom television but if he got frustrated enough he would just go out and buy another one. Yeah, those poor people are going to make him go broke.

The bible says a lot about the accumulation of wealth. And it's not in a positive light. It's fine to have an actual "belief". I actually have them myself. But I base those beliefs on what the bible actually teaches and tells me. Not what is spoon fed to me by politicians and preachers.

And that's become the real problem. People use what they "feel and believe" over facts and what the bible teaches. That's not really believing in what the principals of Christianity stand for.

Let me just address prayer in school. Which prayer? You see, you have a contradiction to deal with there. The law says that we have religious freedom. So if, as you propose, we accept the law, do you propose every religion has the right to pray in their own way to their own God or beliefs?

Because that really complicates things. Where will they store all of the Muslim prayer rugs?

You have fallen under the common misconception that supporting the people of Israel and supporting the currently corrupt government of Israel is the same thing. They're not.



That's a great excuse to ignore helping heal those in need. Back then they used leaches for blood letting too.

God never said anything about "your guns". And last time I checked Clinton was president for eight years and Obama was too. They never took your guns or my guns. Believing the same lie over and over again is not attractive.

You see, bottom line is you wish to inflict your religious beliefs one everyone. You believe in basing laws and policies upon your religious beliefs. That's inflicting what you believe on everyone else.

It shouldn't be an excuse not to try, at all. It never should. In my mind, it should be guidance that we shouldn't impose ourselves and our state of mind on others because we believe we know what's best and that others should change to fit our understanding. That's been the biggest downfall of religion since it was born.

The common core of every religion is to do right by others, but people, for whatever reason, think they know the best and that others should do right unto themselves.

No I said when I read the Bible and interpret the spiritual meaning to my walk with Christ. The party I choose to follow that most closely aligns to my faith is the Republican party. I feel like Socialism is an Anti-Christ fall in line or else kind of system. I think it is un-Godly in every facet. A Democratic Republic is what most closely aligns to how I feel God would want a Government. People have free will to determine their lives. They can choose life or death in their lifestyle choices. Not have Government decide for them.

So let me see if I get this straight. Jesus said to help those less fortunate than yourself. He helped feed the sick and feed the poor. He said it would be easier for a camel to pass through they eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven.

And that's what you get from all of that? Do you honestly believe that Jesus was a capitalist?

1 out of every 1000 people in Jacksonville is currently hospitalized with Covid.

Yes. He said to freely give. Render to Ceaser what is Caeser's. Not be taxed thru the nose. He also said if you do not work you are worse than an infidel. And if you do not work you do not eat.

He expects his Church to feed the hungry, heal the sick, etc... Do you not think Jesus was not wealthy? He traveled from town to town with twelve disciples, their families, and other followers. There were multitude of people showing up wherever he was. He did 2 miracles with loaves and fishes but the remainder of the time he supplied for everyone's needs and 1 of them was a thief. The love of money is a sin. To put money in front of God is wrong. To be wealthy is not a sin. To be generous with your time, your money, your everything is the key. He certainly would not be a Socialist. Free will with God is the key.

Jesus absolutely was a socialist if he was anything at all.

I don't have to "think about it"

Matt. 19:21

Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

2 Corinthians 8:9
For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you by his poverty might become rich.

As I said, I listen to the bible, not "what I think".

Matthew 19:24

And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

There's plenty more where that came from.

And I'm not talking about those who "refuse to work". I'm talking about supporting a party who believes millions of people who work not even make a living.

No where in his word did he ever condone taking from some and giving to others.

Matthew 19:21 was a man who loved God but not as much as he loved money. That is why he was sad and left. Only reason Jesus told him to sell off everything he owns and follow him was he was testing him because he knew his love for money was great.

2 Corinthians 8:9 was Paul telling the Church at Corinth that Jesus died for them in all ways and not just salvation. He was innocent but died for the guilty. He was rich and could have lived his life rich but choose to die between two thieves on a Cross poor, so we do not have to be poor.

Matthew 19:24 again says rich people can easy fall in love with money and by doing so it is really hard for them to love God more than money.

You give your interprrtation of what you think it means. Would you like to try and explain what you think this means?

Mark 10:25

It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

And you may wish to look back at the times of Jesus. Religions in most cases did run the governments.

That is stunning.

It is not a sin to be rich. He is saying that rich people do fall in love with money, possessions, owning things, relying on their own self instead of God. The Pharisees were wealth and they loved religion and money and power and tradition and not God even though they thought they did.

Just a "Knowledge is power" post

In biblical times, the "Needle" was the small door within the larger city gates. If someone arrived with their camel after the gate was closed, they would have to remove all their packs to get the camel though the needle.

That's not what that scripture says.... at all.

jc

Well Christ has muddied this water... Covid is the topic, if you feel the need to give a sermon, start a thread.

Clevelandians 2:17 - I say unto you, he who attempts to change from religious discussion back to the topic at hand shall be cast into the waters of Pittsburgh.

OCDius 1:1 - Get high, make love, and live every day to the fullest... eternity will take care of itself. Also, I don't give a damn about your feelings.

Browns 4:20 states that all shall coventh thy neighbors bong during game day.

jc

Seriously for all those deeply religious Christian folk on the right that get offended when anyone knocks Christianity... It's not MY religion and I don't care about your feelings... ESPECIALLY when your feelings make you think it's alright to spread hate and make others feel bad.

Please stop using religion to hide your cowardice behind. If you want to hate people because of their color, their religion, their sexuality, or any other reason; just be honest and own your hate. If you hate other races, yes we will call you bigot, but if that's who you are you should wear it like a badge of honor. If you hate people of other religions, own it. If you hate non-heterosexuals own it. Stop trying to make it look like your religion demands it because that is a lie. Just own who you are.

Pretty sure I saw this in a fortune cookie once.

I get mistaken for Confucius all the time...

Confucius say: Man who live in glass house...
Should dress in the basement!

feels like this thing is ramping up faster than it did last Nov... capacity at our hospital and many around Houston are getting a bit critical.... praying that we turn this surge around....

At the risk of sounding immodest, I called this about one week after Biden took his July Victory Lap.


We aren't anywhere near being done with this.

We are probably only at the 50 yard line, if we can get Americans to be even 20% better at this than we were in 2020.

I fear that we've already displayed the best that we can be, in this worldwide medical crisis. America could have been the catalyst of a campaign to beat back a worldwide biological scourge. Instead, She has relinquished Her role as a world leader, and relegated Her lot into a frothing cesspool of partisan stalemate.



We fkd ourselves by not getting to 70% on the fast track timeline.
SARS-Covid2 is our new Influenza. We're probably never getting free of this thing.

My fear is that SARS-Covid2 has enough of a foothold to be evergreen, not unlike Influenza... and that each variant will become more adept at mutating itself into some more survivable incarnation.