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Who are Democrats fighting for? Not you
Sen. Marco Rubio 7 hrs ago

Show us your budget and we’ll know your priorities.


Senate Democrats did exactly that when they passed a $3.5 trillion budget drafted by self-proclaimed socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders. Three provisions make clear that hardworking families are not a priority for today’s Democratic Party — a party captured by radical Marxists who hate America.

First, and perhaps most telling, the budget contains a provision that could allow Democrats to create a path to citizenship for millions of immigrants who are in the country illegally. It is hard to imagine the border crisis getting worse, but a new backdoor amnesty would surely foment a new wave amid a pandemic.

And not only do Democrats want amnesty for those who are already in America, including those with criminal records, they also actively undermine border security at every turn. Liberals are pushing to defund Immigration and Customs Enforcement. The Biden administration already stopped the construction of the border wall and is letting hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants cross the southern border each month.

Incredibly, the Biden administration is even releasing illegal immigrants with COVID-19 into local communities. This comes at the same time the Biden administration is openly considering vaccine mandates for foreign visitors attempting to enter the country legally for business or vacation.

This is not a drafting error or a mistake. It is a clear priority of today’s Democrats.

Second, Democrats are taking the first step toward a universal basic income by transforming the incredibly popular child tax credit for working parents into a government child allowance that gives cash to parents who aren’t working.

We’ve seen firsthand the destructive consequences that follow when the government pays people not to work. Democrats’ reckless extension of enhanced unemployment benefits and stimulus checks, programs necessary to help America through the economic lockdowns in early 2020, are now leading to the economic disruptions and labor shortages we see today. But it goes deeper than that because there is an inherent dignity that comes from work that can never be replaced with a government check. Relying on a government check is corrosive, not only for the individual but also for the community at large.

In 2017, I worked with Sen. Mike Lee to double the size of the child tax credit for working parents as part of the Republicans’ Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. And earlier this year, Republicans unanimously voted for a Rubio-Lee proposal to expand the child tax credit to $3,300 per child, including $4,200 for children under age 6. But you have to work to be eligible.

This is the type of pro-work, pro-family policy that Republicans support and Democrats reject in favor of recreating the welfare state.

Third, Democrats would deliver a huge federal subsidy to high-tax states and local governments by lifting the cap on the state and local tax deduction. As the Brookings Institution explained, “Lifting the cap on the SALT deduction would massively favor the rich, with most of the benefit going to the top one percent.”

While you would never know it from the liberal media, Republicans actually put a cap on the SALT deduction back in 2017. In other words, at the same time we were providing huge tax cuts for working families, we also took away an absurd tax break from high-income taxpayers in high-tax jurisdictions, such as New York City and California.

There are countless other provisions in the Democrats’ budget that would inflict serious harm on our nation. From more government control over early education and the destruction of America’s domestic fossil fuel industry to massive inflationary impacts — it is one of the most reckless and radical proposals in our nation’s history.

I’ve described this before as a blatant power grab — part of the radical Marxists’ plan to destroy and remake our country. But now we can actually see what the Democrats are fighting for: an open borders welfare state run by the coastal elites.

If the Democrats are successful, they will turn America into an unexceptional nation mired in decline. We cannot allow that to happen.

Marco Rubio is the senior senator from Florida.

lil Marco!!!!!

Rubio has no cred.. he was the guy that Trump picked on,,, Then he, like Cruz, lost their nuts somewhere along the line and became lackies of Trump..


Why would any thinking person take his words for anything.

Oh, by the way, this new bill is directly for the good of the working class.. something Republicans have no idea about.. remember the "TAX cut" that did nothing for the working man but made the wealthy wealthier.

Red meat for the Florida base? It would be hilarious if it were not so sad.

I actually agree with the premise that Democrats are - for the most part - disinterested in actually helping out their constituents. I disagree with his take on it and the so-called proof he is providing.

I also think attacking Sanders on that front is off. I disagree with Sanders on a boatload of policies and platforms, but he is one of the few on the left - not a Democrat by the way - who I think actually shows some degree of care for the working class.

If he wanted to go after Schumer, Pelosi, or one of the career politicians, have at it.

But you can also tell in this article - the source of whom wasn't posted - he's using fear/anger grabbing buzz words that you see so often to capture an audience, like "radical marxist." I think he also got in a "liberal media" in there as well.

Then the story last night was there were more hospitalizations, (pronounce the I like the I in if, or have off),
for covid in Corpus Christi Texas than anywhere else in the Country.
I looked at the map, oh, right near the border, 200 miles, probably,, the nearest big hospitals

so, and the Democrats,, yeah they said, on the show, the Border crossing illegaly problem is the worst it's ever been, hundreds of thousands? I forget, 13,000 in July alone, that I remember.

So basically there's a democrat playbook, besides chosing the same side the anti-Christ would take on all issues,
the democrats, apparently want to turn America, into Cuba.

You know Cuba, where the generations of years of people would teach you how it is there, how life is swell, for about 1 out of 15,000 people who are in the communist party elite, but for the other 14,999, life is a living heck.

And the democrats, never change their ways any more than a rattlesnake, so I don't know why people, haven't seen them for what they are.

The most dangerous thing for people. Ask the people of Venezuela how these folks will do ya.
The Average Venezuela-n has lost 25 pounds for lack of available food, and their money is so worthless, it's more valuable to turn their dollars into crafts, and try and sell/trade the crafts. Litterally.

But people who want democrats. Want that Here, in Cleveland, or wherever USA.

I think I pulled it from here.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/who-are-democrats-fighting-for-not-you


So, Rubio has no cred and I am sure the site has no cred.

What else is new?

It's a total fluff piece - whether there is some validity or not, there was no substance. He trumpeted and got his dog whistles in to the hard core Cult of Trump, he made sweeping generalizations without any details or substance. It's what politicians do. Quoting it and thinking what he said is meaningful would be misguided.

To be fair to perhaps the reasoning behind why you might have started this thread, Peen, I would like to offer some legitimate qualms over what I feel are wrong with the Democrats:

-There are often circumstances where they claim to be champions of the people, but demonstrate that they are as self-interested and removed from actually caring about their constituents as anyone. I look to cities like Baltimore, for instance. It shows what happens when you have one party in control for so long, where competition is nil, and corruption becomes rampant.

-The 2016 primaries demonstrated that they will pretty much tell their constituents who will be the next heir apparent, and not the other way around. That burned them...badly. It was also a sign that they have begun to advocate for the top-down approach, which feeds into my next point.

-Like George Washington basically foretold, they have fallen prey to reversing the dynamic of "we are a strong union of grassroots, independent thinkers" to "we will tell you what to believe." The democrats, especially in rust belt states, used to possess much more plurality on issues, where you might have some who advocate for a more liberal economic approach, but perhaps a more center or someone conservative social approach. The pro-life issue is one area (and I'm not trying to make this about that rabbit-hole issue), but now it's almost as if you are not allowed to divert on anything.

-Democrats are wasteful spenders. One example that I have close knowledge of is defense spending. They load pork and pet projects as bad as any politician. We have a joke in DoD each year when we get a budget increase: "Less with more!" This has become prevalent across the political spectrum due to the rise of lobbying and the choke holds that some of the direct beneficiaries of government spending use to control politicians.

-Democrats fail on the front of immigration reform. It's been talked about on numerous threads in this forum. I don't think it has anything to do with the stupid wall. I think that's just Rubio pandering to the Trump-faction.

There are more we could go into, but the fact of the matter, in my mind, is that they have done their part to promote their own self interests and have become detached from what their foundation was. They are the opposite side of the same coin with Republicans nowadays.

Democrats often bristle at Trump's presidency, and were/are quick to call him out on his screw-ups and corruptions. Fine, I get that. What frustrates me, though, is that there is no acknowledgement on their part that they bear responsibility for his presidency. Their own self-interested conduct, detachment, and coronating of such unlikeable individuals (like Hillary Clinton) to be the heir apparent provided a means for their own, frustrated constituents to look toward a candidate who they believed would "break" the system.

Now, they act as though "thank goodness we're back in control and the ship has been righted." They still need to fix all the garbage that caused their 2016 downfall in the first place.

In addition, Trump galvanized the left into one cohesive unit with a common enemy, but at some point, they will have to work on their own in-fighting between progressives and traditionalists. If Trump ever goes out of the picture, the Democrats will be left looking at themselves and their own in-fighting I believe will likely heighten.

Thanks for the link. I didn't say Rubio had no cred. I don't like him and I think he embodies a lot that is commonly wrong with politicians. I do think he LOST a good degree of credibility after how he was treated during the debates in 2016 and chose the path of cowardice.

I think he sometimes speaks with rationale, and he likely has some legitimate points about where the Democrats are in the wrong. I think he exacerbates those points with political speak and fear phrases.

If I had to give my honest impression of Rubio, I think he is one of many politicians who probably was well-intentioned when he entered the arena and gradually found himself a cog in the greater political machine because of self-ambition.

Great post.

Since they are ALL politicians (D & R) , I expect their behavior to mirror your first point to a degree - I guess I am interested to understand is which of these points ONLY refer to Dems? Or which of these points applies MORE to D than to R politicians?

For example: Point 3 about free thinking and being told what to believe. To me the Democrats / Liberals are much more diverse in their opinions and beliefs, they are much more divided within themselves than the GOP. The GOP close ranks and whatever the narrative is they project that - whether is it stonewalling Obama, backing Trump despite clear and transparent issues - they seem to get in line and be better organized at selling propaganda. Look at Crenshaw and Cheney being called RINO's because they don't get in line. . . .

Just my initial thoughts. Will f/u when I have time.

I "bolded" all the parts that make too much sense to be ignored. Best post I've read here in quite a while, and NO, not because it criticizes Democrats, most sentences would only need a word or two replaced to apply to Republicans. Good stuff.

There's already a thread (that just crossed the 10 page threshold, mind you) about the same thing regarding R's. This one happens to be about Dems. My understanding is that is the whole answer to your question.

Yes, raising the minimum wage, expanding healthcare, supporting unions and I could go on are such terrible things the Democrats support in order to harm their constituents. No, wait, never mind.

The Washington Examiner? Really?

Thanks to you and mgh. Except for a couple particularities, not much in that post is exclusive to one side or the other.

Edited for my poor phrasing and expression.

President Carter. Opps. I mean President Biden better get control of inflation soon or the economy will spiral out of control.

Marco Rubio complaining that Democrats are wasteful spenders on defense is surreal, Good Grief, there is not a defense budget large enough in the world for Republicans, even spending more than the next 7 nations combined is not enough for the USA.

-Democrats are wasteful spenders. One example that I have close knowledge of is defense spending. They load pork and pet projects as bad as any politician. We have a joke in DoD each year when we get a budget increase: "Less with more!" This has become prevalent across the political spectrum due to the rise of lobbying and the choke holds that some of the direct beneficiaries of government spending use to control politicians.

Marco can do a better job demonizing the opposition...

You will have to come up with something to beat the "Satan worshiping pedophile" organization with a secret leader that is QAnon...

I think that may be a response to me. To be fair, I don't recall where Rubio complained that Democrats are wasteful spenders on defense.

I happen to think both parties promote wasteful defense spending.

That's not to say that I don't think we need to spend money on our military, because I absofreakinglutely think we do.

However, with the way we are set up, the "value" we get for our spending is poor. That largley ties into politicians and who controls them.

And that's the issue I have with defense spending. Much like yourself I think we could do much better with less money. Politicians have passed programs and weapons that our military has plainly told them they have no use for and no desire to have.

I'm for a strong defense. But lobbyists have ruined the process. They have made it so inefficient. It's not the defense budget that's the problem. It's the process.

My bad, I thought that was the original article.

All I will say is that in a two party system the Republican mantra is not a winning formula.

More than the next 11 countries combined.

https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2021/07/the-un...ntries-combined

Insanity.

It's all good.

To be honest, I think a two-party system in and of itself is not a winning formula.

I disagree. If you think there is dysfunction in government now, think about having 3-4 different parties?

Look at what a small group of morons called socialists have done to the ability to govern.

Fixed it.

Maybe I am being too simplistic.

The ability to govern and compromise came to an abrupt ending with Moscow Mitch and the Tea Party when Obama was elected. At that point more than any other - the intent and purpose of the opposition party was, no matter what was good for the country or aligned with the opposition principals, block and prevent anything and everything.

Socialists... of course, blame all the destruction the fascist right has done on the left... typical Trumpian deflection tactic with zero facts to back it up. So cliché.

But you say nothing about what the fascists have done to the country.

I respectfully disagree. I think the dysfunction has resulted from there being only two options. The fact there are only two options also makes it easier for special interests groups to have undue influence.

If we had more representations of what people actually advocated for, there would be less of a choke hold.

Right now, if someone who might be a square peg has to often choose between a square hole and a triangle hole.

I get what you’re saying about less options being more efficient. That’s why countries like China or fascist regimes like Russia efficiently make decisions when they essentially have just one party.

We essentially just have one more. I’d like to steer further from their examples.

Fixing yourself might be a good starting point.

Not for me. I’m like Humpty Dumpty my friend.

History has taught us that being stuck in a draconian way of thinking over a long period of time without opening up your mind to change is not only destructive, but leaves you behind the rest of society as they move on from that line of thinking.

In theory, that sounds great. If we went to 3 options, rather than half the country in disagreement with the elected leader, now you would have nearly 70% in disagreement. The same type gaps would happen in the Congress.

Maybe it was in this thread, maybe another, we are seeing elements of that in the Democrat's right now, and this isn't a editorial on the Dems.

You have the progressives threatening to kill things if they don't get what they want and the moderates threatening to sink the ship if the infrastructure bill just passed by the Senate isn't passed before considering the Progressives ideas.

Think how balled up things might be if there were 4-5 different factions in play.

The threatening to kill things is a common problem, and McConnell sure does that too. So do the Democrats. That’s certainly a point.

I think the two party construct exacerbates that. It’s easier to kill things when you control half.

Many other countries have multiple parties. In the scenario of multiples here, the politicians may actually have to work with each other and actually do something rather that constantly employing the strategy of saying “the other side did it so we need to kill it.”

I guess we can go round and round...I just don't see how you would stand much of a chance on any sort of majority to get the votes needed. I also think it would open more opportunities for lobbyists to work their "magic".

Maybe its time to reform how much influence lobbyists have on our system of government.. Let's face it, they lobby for whats good for themselves and then they package it like it's good for all of America.. Anyone with half a brain could figure out that's not even close to possible.

Maybe it's time to OUTLAW lobbyists altogether.

I would never refer to Lobbyists and working Magic.. They twist and turn the truth to meet their needs..

The GUN LOBBY is about as bad as it gets.

NO, what you have going on with dems is the centrists trying to shaft the progressives. The centrists are all about those donors and that big money election funding. The progressives want to do things to actually help people and try to fix this lop-sided economy like the centrists promised for us coming together to get Biden elected...

Republicans are really missing the boat because our hate of all things Trumpian is why Biden won and also why dems will stay in the Oval until DJT is dead or disqualified.

If republicans could find a normal moderate GOPer to run that is NOT a fascist threat, they'd probably win in a landside because progressives are all but done with dems. We are pretty much waiting to see how this pans out, but the dem center needs to know they lose without progressives, all day every day.

But as soon as we don't have to worry about another nutjob from the right trying to bring fascism to America, the progressives are either going to take over the dem party or leave it due to the double talk and BS from the centrists. You can't keep treating us like political lepers between elections, then tell us how much you need us or try to guilt trip us at election time. This last election we knew we had to get rid of Trump. In 2016, the establishment dems screwed Bernie and many progressives stayed home or voted third party/Trump. Then we watched a repeat giving us Biden as a candidate, and we're pissed about that. So we won't do that with any Trumpian on the ticket again, but as soon as that threat is gone, we will put the dem establishment in its place on the curb.

What Trump policies were so bad that they needed to be stopped?

All of them. Which ones weren't?