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Man did we dodge a bullet, not taking him in 2018. I do kinda feel bad for the kid. He's been dumped (cut/waived/traded) 4 times in 4 years.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/49ers...-in-four-years/

Josh Rosen's chances of making the San Francisco 49ers roster have come to an end. The 49ers waived Rosen on Tuesday as they trimmed their roster down to 85 players. In correlation with the move, San Francisco claimed cornerback Davontae Harris off waivers from the Baltimore Ravens.

The recent cut has been a setback for Rosen's chances of continuing his NFL career. He was signed off the Tampa Bay Buccaneers practice squad in December by the 49ers and was with the team for nine months, only to be beaten out by Nate Sudfeld for the team's No. 3 quarterback job.

Sudfeld didn't even play in the 49ers' preseason opener last week, with Rosen getting third-team reps over him. 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan said earlier this week that Sudfeld would get his opportunity for snaps in the team's second preseason game -- perhaps a sign of things to come for Rosen.

"I wanted to make sure Josh got some playing time," Shanahan said Monday. "I didn't want him to go in one series and then put the other one in. So he got the majority of that. So the next time that we get to our third guy, that'll be Nate."

The 10th overall pick in the 2018 draft by the Arizona Cardinals, Rosen lasted just one season in Arizona before the Cardinals jettisoned him to the Miami Dolphins in 2019. He only lasted with the Dolphins for one season before being waived. Rosen landed on the Buccaneers practice squad in September 2020 before the 49ers signed him off Tampa Bay's practice squad.

Of the 42 quarterbacks that have more than 500 passing attempts since 2018, here's where Rosen ranks among them:

Completion percentage -- 54.78% (42nd)
Touchdown passes -- 12 (42nd)
Passer rating -- 63.5 (42nd)
Yards per attempt -- 5.67 (42nd)
Win-loss percentage -- .188 (42nd)
The teams Rosen has played on are just 3-13 in his 16 starts. With this latest setback to Rosen's career, it's hard to believe he'll ever get the opportunity to resurrect his NFL career as a starting quarterback. Where Rosen ends up next will be intriguing, especially if the fifth team he plays for can be the one to tap into his potential.

Colin Cowherd is crying in his beer.

So are the self-proclaimed football experts here.

I'm 100% OK with that scene.

Rosen had Milquetoast written all over him.

I wanted Darnold... <cringe emoji>

j/c...

We're entering territory where his name can start to circulate as one of the all-time top 10 busts. I'm sure there will be at least one more embarrassment as some team will think there is "hidden gold" because of his draft status.

I heard earlier this week that he was complaining about practice reps, so maybe a lot of this is "Josh Rosen, the person".

Meanwhile, Rosen: "You guys just made the biggest mistake of your lives!"

Crazy... 10th overall pick and has been on 4 teams in 4 years..... feel bad for the kid...

I have a football card (it's still a thing!)... Panini Phoenix

It has Baker, Allen, Rosen all on it, with a piece of game worn memorabilia and autographed. It's 1 of 10 cards produced.

I curse that Rosen is a part of that card instead of Lamar. It could have been like the Bron, 'Mello and Wade RC card.

Could be Darnold instead of Bake or Allen -- count your blessings! Besides, Mayfield and Allen will be top-tier for quite awhile (barring injury).

Glass half-full.

Two thirds!

There is always the 2022 USFL.

As long as the team is into terrible pocket presence, average accuracy, bad decision making and crap mobility.

That sounds about right...

Not 'Rosen the Chosen', more like 'Rosen the Chosin.'

Ok, we don't need cheap shots. Sometimes we hit, sometimes we don't.

I am just glad we took Baker...the guy I wanted...I finally hit.

Brutal lol

cant lie man this dude has not been given a fair shot.

look sometimes it just happens that way. some people end up in the perfect situation, and some people just get screwed.

but Rosen has an nfl arm and intellect to play the position.

As Cleveland fans, we should know better than most that high pick QBs aren't guaranteed success depending on the situation they are going into.

It sucked that after his first year Kingsbury came in, and wanted to start over with his own guy. Then he goes to Miami where they have a new coach and new systems, and the next year pick Tua.

Had a chance to learn behind Tom Brady in Tampa. To add to his bad luck, he missed out on a SB ring because he chose to leave to sign with SF in late December when Jimmy G and Mullens got hurt.

But honestly, he came across as a spoiled, entitled little brat in most interviews and articles. You get out what you put in.

Wasn't he signed off the TB practice squad? If so, he didn't choose to leave.

Add: no, he was not. Thank you for the correction.

He still has to sign, which means he had to agree to go, or stay put.

He should have stuck with Tennis...

I just want to give some credit to the Cardinals here. It is really rare for a team to admit a mistake this quickly and move on, especially at QB. And even though I'm not sold on Murray, that franchise is still in much better position today than if they had held on waiting for Rosen to magically become a leader and good NFL QB.

Cards cut ties quickly, and so has everyone else. That's part of the "dead giveaway" to me. Two years after being a high draft pick he was on his third team's practice squad.

There is a simple way to say it, and it is not flattery.

He may not have the mental makeup and dedication to the game to make himself a viable NFL QB.

It's Jeff George syndrome - Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.

I'm so glad the Browns didn't even consider him with our pick that year. Remember I told you it was between Baker, and Allen and you looked at me like I had two heads LOL

Rosen needs to get on with his lifes work as PB
Would say. Before being drafted he never had to face adversity or failure
He was born into wealth. Never had to work
For anything.
Now that he has to prove himself
Hes softer than a Corbos cannoli

Lol, I admit that I thought he was our best bet in 2018 when we were poised to draft a QB. I was juuuust a bit outside.

Not really. A lot of people thought that. People with more experience than people like you or I.

Sometimes it just doesn't work out for players. For QB's fit and supporting cast can sink the ship in a hurry.

Remember his college coach saying Rosen had to go someplace that was culturally stimulating in order to be happy? Now he's free to move to Paris.

I was right there with you. I don't remember if I said as much, but I wasn't wild on selecting the guy who tried to plant a flag in turf over the guy who was considered the most cerebral of the bunch and was operating within a pro-style offense.

None of us get paid to pick pro QBs, so none us should get too wrapped up (either way) on who does/doesn't pan out.

That said, I would LOVE to see a follow-up on Rosen with how's and why's related to his draft hype and the performance that followed. Was it his attitude? Teams he played for and surrounding talent?

IMO, he won't go down as some earth-shattering bust, but in a way (IMO) I almost think he should. He had all those hard-to-find traits/indications of successful pro QB.

How is this a topic. Who is Josh Rosen, oh I remember, but what year did he fizzle out. I thought we moved on from him as a discussion topic, two months before Baker was drafted. He wasn't ever a Brown.
I don't get it. Trace McSorley, I saw in a snap of preseason get 12 yards as the backup ravens QB, in a clearly the same play we always see,
seems all the wideouts go, Somewhere, (it's never on camera,
and then the pocket colappses, (on purpose) it appers,
then there is one open door, somewhere from in that collapsed pocket for the QB to squirt through

then all of a sudden the QB, this time it's Baltimore backup Trace McSorley,
always takes a curving arched outside run that ends at the sidelines

and it Gains 12 Yards on 3rd and 10, AGAIN! This time vs. the Saints preseason defense.

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It's a running theme, that has me way more worried, to think about than anything involving Josh Rosen. Not only do the Browns have a history that includes giving up rushing touchdowns to Josh Allen, of the Bills in 2019.

They Browns can't seem to have stopped a running quarterback out of the collapsed pocket against the Chiefs backup in 2020.

There were probably a couple of plays even with Trace McSorley, in the Ravens Browns 2nd matchup, while Lamar Jackson was in the locker room, that the Ravens intended to run the (pocket collapses but the designed QB run gets 12+ yards) play.

Read between the lines.... prima-donna comes to mind.

Rosen had a hot tub in his college apartment if I recall.

I wanted Baker... But I wanted Johnny too...

Johnny...or who I call JFF

I made my decision about JFF in his sophomore season in college. It was an away game (TCU?) where the Aggies were headed into student section end zone. The crowd was jeering Manziel when he scrambled in for a TD. He taunted the crowd with his "money fingers" gesture, for which he got a 15 yard penalty. As he was coming to the sideline, Coach Sumlin came onto the field to scold him for that action, and Johnny walked right past his head coach as if he wasn't there.

I knew in that moment I wanted nothing to do with JFF.

j/c...

Rosen signed by Falcons after AJ McCarron's season ending injury.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3207...n-ending-injury

And they say only a cat has nine lives.

LOL. Well, this cat is on live #5... and he definitely owns more internet memes than your average cat... which may actually be his real claim to fame in the end.

Dang, I wanted Rosen so bad. I remember watching the UCLA v USC game and being so impressed how his ball placement led receivers into YAC. At that point it was Rosen and Darnold for top qb and he outplayed Darnold by a mile.

On a side note, I also thought Ronald Jones from USC would be the top RB in the class. What a dummy! That’s not just a facepalm, but a full on smack. CleveSteve would be so ashamed of my prognostications.

I was fine with Chubb, but almost threw something at my TV when the Pats took Michel. As far as QBs, I wanted Darnold. I was OK with Baker, eventually, but I wanted no part of either Rosen or Josh Allen.

The draft is such a crapshoot.

I wanted Michel as well. In fact, my other pick Rashad Penny was gone before Chubb and I was pretty upset... My plan was Barkley @ 1 and Josh Allen @ 4.

Then when Chubb was picked I was disappointing that it wasn't Derrius Guice!

If you recall, I believe the Browns wanted Penny as well but he went off the board to Seattle a few picks before.

Well sometimes things work out in your favors.

I got you beat, man. I wanted either Rosen or Darnold at one, the other Chubb at 4, and Guice in the second round.

I’d have fired myself.

J/c

I certainly did not want Baker or Rosen. I preferred Darnold or Allen.

I’m of the belief that Allen would have really struggled with the old coaching staff, so who knows what his career would look like if we had taken him.

At least you settled on someone. I probably would've just been paralyzed by the decision and missed the selection window.

I’m certainly not great about predicting which QBs are going to be great but I feel I’m pretty decent at spotting the ones that are going to be not great. I really did NOT want Darnold. Rosen was dead to me as soon as he started trying to steer the draft away from him to the Browns. I wasn’t sure he wouldn’t be good for someone else but I didn’t want him on the Browns. We desperately needed a person that pulled a team together, he was not that guy. I was on the fence with with Allen but I liked Baker. I felt very much in the minority of people I knew that liked the pick. What’s funny is that I certainly still like him but I’m still not sure he’s going to be “great”. I admit I totally didn’t think Lamar would be anything. I know it’s a couple of different drafts but those were the ones I was paying close attention to QBs.

haha yeah having that pick with those options would be so hard

If you'll allow a baseball analogy, with all of the embarassing strikeouts we've had at QB, the Baker pick felt like it was swinging for, and hitting, a double. Allen was a swing for the fences, but the unknowns were too many...he appeared another strikeout waiting to happen from this fan's perspective. With both analytics and Dorsey the old school guy liking Baker, that made the most sense. At this point, I think it would be a surprise to most of us if Baker ever hit that top5 ceiling. We'll see, but he can definitely help us compete for SBs as a top10 guy for a long time.

I don't think so... at least not much of a surprise to me. He's got all the tools, has worked diligently through some pretty shady circumstances, works hard at his craft and was all but born into a system that will take advantage of any strengths and mitigate bad results from weaknesses. Not sure what the criteria for "top five" is, but Baker could be there by the end of this season. JMHO.

FATE,

Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, Wilson. Is there any kind of season that Baker could have which would place him above those 4? I don't think so. And if Watson was still playing, I'd say he might have the 5th spot locked down. After that, there's a group of like 10 guys that are all in the same conversation with Baker.

I love Baker's progression and potential as our QB...just wish fans would pump the brakes a bit.

I would put Baker on par with, and poised to go above, both Wilson and Watson. I don't see anything that they do that Baker doesn't; the only difference being that they've been doing it and Baker is just entering that part of his career.

Brady, Mahomes, and Rodgers are definitely elevated, but at the same time, the gap isn't as large as one might think. Mahomes makes some freaky throws, but take away those two ridiculous targets of his and he gets pretty normal pretty fast.... I can EASILY foresee a season from Baker that puts him in the same conversation as Mahomes. Rodgers and Brady.... the separator there is Time. Can Baker keep it going for the next 10 or so years?

Yes, Baker could have that type of season. I wouldn't be shocked at all.

What's the "pump the brakes" logic? There's a big difference in seeing upside and actual expectations...

I think that's where the actual divide comes into play.

Baker has never been in a situation to where he was set up to succeed. From HC's to OC's, until last season his entire career coaching staffs have been like a revolving door. No stability or continuity.

When looking at changes in Baker's performance from the fist half of last season to the second half of last season, it's easy to see how his trajectory improved. It's easy to see why fans may see the sky as the limit. I'm a little more cautionary than some and more optimistic than some others.

I see with the evidence from last year in focus, that he stands to make further improvement. In fact I see the odds as much greater that he will improve than he won't.

I'm not going to try and get ahead of myself by predicting how much of an improvement that might be. But I can certainly understand why some would.

I guess consistency is what I need to see more of. Not just a continuation of 2020 into this year, but also game to game. Elite QBs don't have Pittsburgh #1 last year. He has shown he can get as hot as anyone in moments (Bengals #2, Titans 1st half, Ravens #2). But elite QBs need to raise that floor. I'm excited and hopeful to see him play, but if I'm AB, I'll wait to pay him after this season. If it costs me more because he's the elite guy you guys say he is, so be it.

Once again, there's a difference between "is" and "can be".

Enough already with Rosen....Geez