DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Covid ~ Wave After Wave ~ Part 5

It's not just dems on here telling you that you are delusional. There are people with the same political views as you are telling you the same. Just saying.

The vaccines have mRNA. Your cells produce the spike protein.

With this type of thinking, polio, malaria, and a host of other diseases would still be rampant.

actually, this type of thinking helped make vaccines that are safe and work properly.

1. it took 50 years to develop a vaccine for Polio
2. They don't have a vaccine for malaria. They have been trying to make one for over 50 years though. The closest they have is something like 56% effective.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01096-7

https://www.passporthealthusa.com/2019/06/how-was-the-polio-vaccine-developed/
fun facts about the polio vaccine and their test groups:

In 1935, Maurice Brodie and John Kolmer attempted to create a vaccination that ended with disastrous results.

Brodie tested the vaccine on himself and thousands of children volunteered by their parents. Within one year the trial ended and nine children who received the vaccine had died. Lab tests later showed that Kolmer’s experimental vaccine was the cause.

we finally figured out a vaccine that was safe in 1955 thanks to Dr. Joans Salk.

You have mentioned being a data guy, but you’ve adopted a point and refuse to move off of it by citing exceptions and unlikelihoods rather than the norm to bolster your positions.

Did he say, 'data guy' or 'beta guy'? HUGE difference.

Well let's be honest for a minute. All he's done is start with a premise that we may not really know the effects of the vaccines until years from now... For that he's been yelled at, called names, told to shut up and his point of view has been belittled by anyone who has responded.

So... by saying "refusing to move off" and "the norm", what you really mean is he should "sit down and shut up"... just like anybody that has any point of view that doesn't fit the general consensus here in Covidland.

And just to be clear -- I'm not picking on you, you have a reasonable point of view... responding to your post just happens to be the best way to contrast the general reaction to what is actually being argued.

I am certainly not on board with the name calling or being told to shut up. I abhor that, as much as I think multifaceted discussions are good. I don’t ever intend to demean anyone outside of those who are blatantly saying things that are false or reckless, and we all know who those posters are. On the contrary, I think SBD is a really good dude.

I don’t think that ALL he’s done is start with the premise. Maybe that’s true on the recent posts in this thread, but my reply is more to the stance conveyed as a whole throughout multiple discussions.

I’m also not saying what you implied whatsoever. I don’t think he should sit down or shut up and I never remotely implied that. What I am doing is calling out what I perceive to be a pattern and a contradiction.

SuperBrown, do you actually think a talk show on RADIO breaks the NEWS the Modera shot is corrupt, is part of a global AI conspiracy...really.

Do you think the FDA, Fouche, all the hundreds or thousands that worked on vaccine are part of the AI takeover.

Darn, how far out there can you get. Peace.

Best badly spelled name ever. He is a mispelled douche.

I am very much a data person. I believe in vaccines and I believe they work. I believe that science is real.

My soul position is from a point of historical data and we don't have enough data or information to make an informed decision of if we did make the right vaccine. We will find that out years later (in my opinion)

I think/know we rushed the vaccines out and they are not nearly as effective as promised. 90% vs 40% is a huge difference because politicians... not science. How does that happen? People rush to judgement and don't have time for peer reviews etc.

If the vaccine was effective, we would only need one like the majority of the items on this list: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/vaccines-list.html *most vaccines on this list took decades to develop and test with many gruesome/unfortunate/deadly lessons to the test subjects before we have something like the polio vaccine.

We still don't have vaccines for things like HIV, common cold, malaria, hookworm, schistosomiasis, autism, Lou Gehrig's and more.

It seems odd that in a few short months we made a perfect vaccine that has nearly 0 side effects and is safe for 7.6 billion people.

I work with a lot of attorneys and I am very much aware of all of the mass tort cases that happen on a regular basis with these medication manufacturing companies who ask for forgiveness after they make their billions.

So, yes. I am a data person. Historical data and many other examples show that we should not have found a vaccine this quickly.



*Oddly enough, we had another failed attempt at a vaccine for HIV today and we have been working on that for decades.

https://www.statnews.com/2021/08/31/first-efficacy-trial-of-johnson-johnsons-hiv-vaccine-fails/

If you tried to live your life by that premise you wouldn't be able to do anything

We don't really know what drinking coffee every day would do to you in 5 years. Looking at a computer screen may cause all kinds of issues. Trouble with my vision, Alzheimer's ... so I definitely can't use my computer...

I understand what you are attempting to say. However, we are now altering our DNA not watching a screen and hurting our eye sight. This could have major effects on civilization for years to come because "political science".


Side note... we have been drinking coffeee for thousands of years. We know what it does.

1, the vaccine does not alter our DNA

2, there are arguments still about the benefits/down side of coffee and wine both of which have been drunk by humans for thousands of years.

1. Inaccurate. India just approved a DNA altering vaccine.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-57774294

2. k.

Most important thing was my misspelling, gave you an opportunity to make a cute text....speaks not a word to a morning talk host on RADIO with the story of a lifetime....AI implanted, like I stated....really....way out there. Peace.

Science vs talk show host with a quack....sweet.

Point taken.

How about this:
None of the FDA approved vaccines alter our DNA.

As an aside, historically DNA vaccines have worked very well in amimals but have performwd miserably in humans. Ibwould be moderately suprised if it turns out that the DNA vaccine against covid works well. I would be extremely surpif it ever got FDA approval (personal opinion)

Irony.

I have been talking about history with tons of vaccines that have taken decades to perfect and people get mad.

You use history against me with regards to this one vaccine... totally acceptable. Smh

I don’t see anything in there where that vaccine actually alters your DNA. Perhaps Lyuok could weigh in there.

When you talk about vaccines for things like Lou Gehrig’s disease and whatnot, you’re not talking about a transmissible virus, which essentially is what a vaccine revolves around.

When you talk about HIV, you are talking about a virus that actually attacks the immune system itself, so triggering an immune response to something that attacks the immune system is a whole different ballgame.

The conversation has become so tangential.

The fact of the matter is the vaccine is effective, and I keep having to rehash this often with posts that are not responded to. The data right now shows that - on one hand - we have a much higher death and hospitalization rate among the unvaccinated and - on the other hand - we have a viral strain that is enabled to mutate and become more dangerous moving through swaths of unvaccinated populations.

jc

yo im fully vaccinated. how come i haven't turned into a big ass magnet like these crazy nut bags claimed i would? where's my superpowers!!! i should be able to command the space lasers by now!!

or at least turn the 5G towers on and off.

idk bro, I'm fully vaccinated and just noticed my horns are curving inward and I can't taste the babies I eat anymore... MUST be the vaccine robots poisoning me. smh

Is this the first arrest for a fake covid passport? More importantly, will it be the last? You can't make this crap up.

Perfect example of your gullibility.

alex jones as a source.

Really? Why don't you cut an paste The National Enquirer.

You continue to prove yourself as a person with questionable brain capacity.

OMG! WE BECOME THE BIOWEAPON!?!?

1. don't get a shot in India. Problem solved.


None of the shots available here do that.

I've noticed a side effect of the vaccine, at least I assume it from the vaccine.

Last night I found out I can fly like superman, so I assume the robots they injected in me must have been drone bots.

j/c

this sucks...

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-...t-delta-variant

Aug. 25, 2021 -- Vaccine effectiveness against COVID-19 infection dropped from about 91% to 66% once the Delta variant became the dominant strain in the U.S., according to a new study published Tuesday by the CDC.


so, we basically now are down to a 50/50 shot and that is why they are pushing the booster.

I think they're pushing the booster because Delta was largely allowed to happen and spread because of unvaccinated populations (overseas and here). The understanding is that the longer the virus can 'hang around', the better chance it has to change and adapt in effective ways. The best way to keep it from hanging around is vaccination.

If someone told you you had a 66% chance of winning the lottery you’d stand in line all night.
I’ll take my 66% chance over your refusal to buy the ticket.

Then let's be honest. Over 1100 Americans a day are dying because of the type of stupidity he has been posting. So do you think maybe people are angry about that? Yet it seems some wish to further the high death rate of Americans.

Let me be honest with you about another thing. He was PROVEN TO BE WRONG about that. If there have been any serious side effects from "viral vaccines" they have shown themselves right away. Had you have bothered following the thread you would have known that. Even the example he attempted to provide didn't fit his narrative.



That's a much different way of saying we're tired of sitting by and watching people die from all of this stupidity being spread.



Trying to play devils advocate while someone is promoting ideas that are causing the vast majority of Covid deaths is not attractive.

How can a data guy turn 60/40 into 50/50?

Doesn't sound anything like a data guy.

Then of course there's the odds of not getting seriously ill, ending up in the hospital or dying aspect.

I was responding to a conversation from multiple posters and multiple sub-quotes. I didn't psycho-analyse the entire thread; and short of the four or five people that yell and scream in here everyday, I barely associated a username to previous conversations... maybe to a fault.

Personally, I don't really care if playing any point of view is not attractive. Everybody has opinions and everybody has a right to post 'em.

Lastly, anybody "dying" because of crap they read on a message board probably had a pretty short shelf-life anyway.

If it were "just posted on a message board" that would be fine. But that's not how any of this has worked.

You see, everyone certainly has a right to their opinion. That's not the point here at all. Everyone has an opinion, but there's only one set of facts. Trying to create a situation where your opinion is posed an alternative set of facts is where the line should be drawn.

You or anyone else does not have the right to tell me or anyone else what to put inside my body and what not to put inside my body. That decision is mine and mine alone to make. If someone wants to get vaccinated good for them they did what they wanted to do. If they choose to not vaccinate good for them they did what was best for them. It is that simple.

Just because you "believe" something is best for you doesn't mean it is. Your rights don't give you any right to risk the health of those around you. None.

Now if you have cancer and don't want to get chemo, that's your choice. Because you can't "spread your cancer" to anyone else. If you want to be stupid in that case the only one who pays the price is you.

Soon there will be very few places you will be able to work, go to college or shop. More and more such places have the choice to deny the unvaccinated services too. And they are and as time passes more and more are doing so.

No, you don't have the right to make a choice for those who are immune compromised and children too young to get vaccinated.

When the hell did anyone teach you that you have the right to threaten the health and well being of those around you?

I actually think those that have children old enough to be vaccinated and wear a mask in public who refuse to do so should be charged with child endangerment. If you don't give a damn enough to protect your own child someone needs to step in and do it for you.

So, let me ask this, to add another wrinkle. If someone refuses to get vaccinated, and refuses to follow proper masking and distancing protocols, should they be held liable if they contract COVID and transmit it to another person who is thereafter hospitalized?

I take issue with your premise that someone choosing not to get vaccinated "was best for them," but that aside, if you argue that nobody else has the right to tell you what to put inside your body, what happens if you intentionally, recklessly, or negligently put something (the virus) into someone else's body?

It's not a simplified argument. People who are vaccination advocates can make the same argument that they are protecting their rights from other people.

Then you cons shouldn’t be telling women what to do with their bodies. pfft … you cons crack me up. Must be the lead paint chips they ingested as toddlers.

It is not a criminal offense to not get vaccinated. Never will be. This is a free country. It has not turned Commie yet. No matter how much you would like it to.

My thought is, no. First, vaccinated or unvaccinated, you can get the virus. You can be asymptomatic as well. How would you prove intent?

Masked or not, you can get the virus.

(please, people: I am vaccinated and I wore and wear a mask where needed, ok?)

Do we hold people that have the flu, and spread it, liable? Or pinkeye? If they don't know they have 'whatever', how can they be held liable for spreading it?

Even with AIDS - only people, to my knowledge, that knew they had it could be held liable.

I now know of 3 people I am very familiar with that have been vaccinated, wore masks, and were re-infected: My son in law, his father, and my bro in laws mother (just taken to the e.r. this morning - transferred to St. Lukes in Toledo/Maumee. Now, she had copd prior, and last I heard she wasn't doing well - kidney's shutting down also. She's around 80, and had underlying health conditions, I know. I'm not making any statement here, just relaying info.)

Like I said, I got the vaccine. If it is suggested to get a booster, I will. I wear a mask where and when warranted.

I just don't see how you can sue or hold someone responsible for transmitting it if they weren't vaccinated - simply because even vaccinated people can get it.

My body, my right, right? That's what we're told with abortion, correct?

I feel people that don't get vaccinated are fools, but hey.