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The general point is that before you take any medication, you should ask your doctor. Since people may not be aware of what the manufacturer said or what trials have been run or all of that.... start with your doctor.

So why is it that you believe the 2 percent of physicians who recommend it, but ignore the 98 percent that believe vaccines are the way to go?


Guessing at the 98 percent vs 2 percent, But I bet I am damn close.

He claims he doesn't support it yet keeps promoting it. Go figure.

I don't think you should come to me for information on Ivermectin. I am not trying to convince you or any one else to use it. That's my point. Go to your physician. I recommend that you take their advice.

Again, I am not going to argue about the quality of the evidence and clinical trials that support the use of Ivermectin for treatment of COVID. That should be reviewed by physicians and if safe and effective and a net benefit, then they should prescribe it to their patients.

If you want some data to look through on your own. It's easy to find with a search engine. Feel free to look through it. Appears to have 63 studies. I am sure they vary in quality and I don't vouch for the quality of the data.
https://ivmmeta.com/

Can you provide clinical trial data for any other drugs used to fight covid?
How about Remdesivir?
Monoclonal Antibodies?
BioNtech?
My guess is that the data from those clinical trials are not publicly available.

Merck's stake in Ivermectin is minor. They would not make significant money from it's sale. It is a generic drug made by many manufacturers.

There is no way in hell I would go to one physicain for advice. I will give you a real life example.My family DR years ago who I really liked at the time is certifiably nuts. He insists to people now that he can cure cancer, neuropathy, aids, diabities, and 20 other health problems with diet alone. He is crazier than most patients in a nut house.

Yet you keep posting information about it and even went as far as to try and promote very limited studies in support of it.

Here you go. SEVERAL studies on Remdesivir. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=cli...amp;oi=scholart

So much evidence in "clinical trials" it was approved for emergency use by the FDA back in October. It seems you're making a lot of false assumptions here.

My issue is with the misinformation around covid that is keeping people from getting the vaccine. I don't care anything about Ivermectin, one way or the other. When the CDC and AMA both say not to use it for covid, then I must go with that. Good luck to anyone taking these crackpot "alternatives" in lue of vaccination, they are going to need it and there is plenty of PROOF of that.

I posted information because you insisted that I should provide some information that supports its use against COVID. As I said, I am not proposing that anybody use Ivermectin, and I am not, as you say "promoting it". I am not even saying that those are good studies. You asked for information, so I Googled it for you. If you feel those studies are "very limited" that's fine with me.

You got me on the Remdesivir though. I expected that type of clinical data was proprietary.

A school ordered a student to quarantine. His dad and two men confronted the principal with zip ties.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/school-ordered-student-quarantine-dad-125455171.html

There is so much that I can say about this. I don’t even know where to begin.

Now he must have been the odd man out in the 4 of 5 doctors recommend…

I have no idea what qualifies most from making statements regarding the Heath studies. It is pure silliness and why we are in this mess in he first place.

There are some severely broken people walking around on this rock with us.

Get vaccinated.

Wear mask if you are indoors in closed environments.

Stay away from people recommend 10'.

Vaccines have saved millions of lives and prevented millions of people from suffering and being hospitalized.

Schools require vaccines to attend.

Polio, Smallpox, Influenza, Diphtheria, Whooping Cough, Ruebella, Mumps, Measles, Chickenpox, Rotavirus, Pneumococcal Disease, Hib, Hepatitis A+B, Tetanus.

So, all of the money, time, and effort, from the top medical professionals and scientists. Backed by a massive effort of governments worldwide to produce a safe and effective vaccine and it is accomplished.

And people refuse it or take drugs with little or no evidence that it really works instead?

Stupid is as stupid does.

I am well and happy.

Oh, the irony.

j/c:

Fully vaccinated Oscar De La Hoya, 48, is hospitalized with COVID and pulls out of his comeback fight against Vitor Belfort

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...vaccinated.html

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Vinny Curry: career likely over for New York Jets (NFL) defensive end after post-injection blood clots, “rare blood disorder”

https://thecovidblog.com/2021/09/01/vinn...blood-disorder/

Irony?

It is an airborne virus. If you are vaccinated. You most likely are safe.

Although it is a small percentage that can be infected.

Why not be cautious?

Personally other than family and and a few friends. I don't get close to strangers anyway. I don't need to be next to someone to communicate.

I believe being cautious during a pandemic is common sense.

Closed environments means like a bus, a airplane.

Grocery store, Home Depot don't count they big places with high ceilings and open space.

You handle your own business.

ironic? moronic.

make your choice

Yep. Exactly.


10 feet away and wearing a mask though, right? At all times?


No, it doesn't. It should mean everywhere if you are serious about it. And especially if you are waving your proverbial Dikembe Mutombo finger at someone else. The virus doesn't take exception to home, work, your car, the grocery store, etc. Why should you?


The jokes write themselves sometimes.

These are the kinds of men raising future school shooters.

10 feet away and wearing a mask though, right? At all times?

Did I say that?

You know. Try as you may to be a smartass.

You are only the the second half of that word.

You are trying to cute. How quaint?

Continued from Bonefish....

"Hey guys, I'm super-serious about this....I'm virtue signaling and you need to adhere to the above or I'm going to call you out. I live by these VERY strict standards daily unless...

I'm at home
I'm with family
I'm with friends
I'm not on an airplane
I'm not on a bus
I'm at the grocery store
I'm at Home Depot or,
I'm at a store with a high ceilings
I'm at a stranger's house but they have high ceilings so it is ok
I'm at a restaurant....how else I am gonna eat when I'm not locking myself in at home w/ family, friends, and my high ceilings?!"

memphis

Do as you please. You are not worth the time.

You are trying desperately. I am not calling anyone out.

Gargle a dewormer for all I care.

Nothing about common sense is common in your case.

Get vaccinated or don't. Ware a mask in the shower or don't. Swallow the snot of others or not.

If you believe that trying to call me out is in your best interest. Have at it.

Look at memphis everyone. I am serious.

Isn't he brilliant?

Another reason liberals need to arm themselves. And they tell us to ignore it.

Right...






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I don't ware the mask now but I did ware the vaccination a few months ago.

When people make declarative statements and virtue signal that others should be wearing masks in enclosed environments and then say Home Depot and grocery stores "don't count" because they have "high ceilings", it isn't about best interest; It's just easy to do. You shouldn't get to try and tell others here what do to and then make exceptions for yourself in an argument and backtrack.

He has nothing of value to add to the topic. For those who take it seriously he makes jokes. What he doesn't realize is that makes him the joke.

Large indoor spaces are not nearly as dangerous as enclosed spaces. Yet even still if they are crowded it's not a good idea not to wear a mask.

Exactly. I pointed out the same. Polls show 60% of people think people should wear masks in public. Go out in public and 90% of people are walking around in stores unmasked.

Seems like weekly I have a conversation with a person that one minute is talking about how terrible people are for not masking and a few minutes later they are saying 'I hope they don't put a masks requirement in place at the venue for my daughters giant wedding'

You say it's virtue signaling. I think it's societal scale mental illness.

I judge each situation and measure risk.

I was vaccinated as soon as I could get it. I wear a mask often.

What I do is not important really. I don't endanger others.

But when others promote misinformation. Like you will die or become sterile if you get vaccinated. And, use sources like alex jones. I will call them out.

memphis is trying to score some kind of points.

He can join up with the others. What he writes, thinks, or does has zero meaning to me.

In fact I normally don't even read what he writes because I have never seen any value added.

In this case he is trying to discredit me.

Again his comments have no value except maybe to him.

Be careful. Next thing you know you'll be claiming you didn't criticize people who promoted wearing masks. You have your bike set to backpedal.

Why the CDC recommends wearing masks indoors even if you’ve been fully vaccinated against COVID-19

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/why-...gainst-covid-19

Of course we have the real experts like you and Memphis telling everyone how silly they are when they agree with the CDC.

Moving goalposts again, are we?

You are SO good at that.

90% is being nice, IMO. I think it is higher than that.

Keyboard warriors come on here and "Dikembe Mutombo" at you and don't practice what they preach.

So people are far more stupid where you live then? Because a lot of people are wearing masks in public here.

And if you don't consider yourself a "Dikembe Mutombo" on the keyboard you haven't looked in a mirror lately.

Yes, hardly anyone is wearing masks where I reside- which is a predominately black neighborhood/area on the east side of Cleveland. Stupid? I don't think so.

Well done, Pit.

People who refuse to wear masks in public are being stupid. What the color of their skin is makes no difference.

Well done with your race baiting.

A couple of articles about what’s happening in the ‘red’ parts of the Pacific NW. I added excerpts from the articles for those that don’t open links to read information.


‘Absolutely heartbreaking’ week of deaths at southern Oregon hospital - oregonlive.com
https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2...n-hospital.html

“ In the previous seven days, 28 people with COVID-19 died at the hospital, according to Howard, an average of one death every six hours.

“Absolutely heartbreaking,” he said.

The hospital’s 12-bed intensive care unit at noon was holding 18 COVID-19 patients…”

‘We don’t have any vaccinated patients here.’ Idaho hospitals crushed by COVID-19 surge - oregonlive.com
https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2...d-19-surge.html

“ The intensive care rooms at St. Luke’s Boise Medical Center are full, each a blinking jungle of tubes, wires and mechanical breathing machines. The patients nestled inside are a lot alike: All unvaccinated, mostly middle-aged or younger, reliant on life support and locked in a silent struggle against COVID-19.”
“ Artfully inked tattoos cover the tanned forearm of a man in his 30s. An expectant mother’s slightly swollen belly is briefly revealed as a nurse adjusts her position. The young woman is five months pregnant and hooked to a breathing machine.

Down the hall, another pregnant woman, just 24 and on a ventilator, is lying prone — on top of her developing fetus — to get more air into her ravaged lungs.

Idaho hit a grim COVID-19 trifecta this week, reaching record numbers of emergency room visits, hospitalizations and ICU patients. Medical experts say the deeply conservative state will likely see 30,000 new infections a week by mid-September.

With a critical shortage of hospital beds and staff and one of the nation’s lowest vaccination rates…”

Your attempts at being clever are amusing.

How unfortunate for you that you lack the skill.

jc

So I've been pondering a non-forced-vaccination way of dealing with covid. I mean the GOPers that don't want the jab or to wear a mask have a point about rights. Not so much their rights as the rights of those who are compliant with covid guidelines and vaccinated. And then somebody threatened somebody, and I read the words get armed... civil war... smh

So I'm calling on Biden to roll out Jade helm and round up all the GOPers in Typhoid Mary Camps (not concentration camps, just fenced off from the rest of us). Then they can have no abortions, no socialism, and no libtards all they want in their own wonderful little world away from the real world to do as they please. But somehow, I bet even if we offered to let them go without a mask, not get the jab, not believe in science, and have Trump as their leader in their own special little world; they would just cry that they can't go outside the fence. Nothing ever pleases them, nothing.

One day, maybe an ameba that eats stupid brain cells will come along and purge the world of idiots. Until then we have to figure out how to live with each other or kill each other because what we are doing now is going getting us anywhere.

Canada leading by example again:

Yeah, you should do that




With your badass army

There are more of us than there are of you.

ohhh