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I'm with you, I think the next two games will tell a lot about DA. He's going into two hostle stadiums with A LOT to prove, especially the team that sent him to the PS.
I'm starting to think...can BQ do better than this? How do we know? What has DA shown that isn't enough???? So far, so good.
If he keeps it up and our coaches don't see BQ as better, stronger, etc, we'd be idiots to trade him, but rather should trade BQ. I can't believe I'm saying that.
I said flat out during the Pittspuke game that if they put DA in I would leave and wouldn't watch until BQ came in...and just gave him one game...I haven't taken my eye off a game since.
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Thus far, I don't seem to get the impression that Savage makes decisions based on whether or not he'll look like a fool.. he's shown no reluctance to cut his losses and move forward.. see Frye, Charlie.
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For Anderson, it was in the delivery
Steve King, Staff Writer
11.04.2007
With 7:55 remaining in the fourth quarter and the Browns, trailing 27-22, backed up to their own 11-yard line and needing a touchdown, what was Derek Anderson doing in the Browns huddle?
He was telling jokes.
Telling jokes?!
Were they good jokes?
"No," Anderson said afterward. "I'm not a very good joke teller. Half of the time, I don't even remember the punch line. Usually, I just make fun of guys."
Nobody is making fun of Anderson -- or the Browns -- now.
There's the quarterback who was a lowly sixth-round draft choice of the Baltimore Ravens in 2005, got cut, was signed by the Browns in a move that was under the radar, and then spent his time on the bench.
There's the team that had struggled mightily for all but one of the previous eight seasons of this expansion era. The Browns were back. But were they really?
Both of them had been laughed at.
And now they were the ones laughing.
You can do that when you beat the Seattle Seahawks 33-30 in overtime on Sunday at Cleveland Browns Stadium to go 5-3, the Browns' best record at the halfway point of the season since 1994.
Anderson set career highs -- for now at least -- by completing 29-of-48 passes for 364 yards. He had no touchdowns -- he was second in the NFL in scoring tosses going into the game with 14 -- he was intercepted once and his quarterback rating of 75.3 was 20.2 lower than the one he carried into the day.
But when the chips were down, as was the case for much of the day for a Browns team that trailed throughout and by as many as 15 points late in the first half, Anderson was as cool as ice.
"I want to get the other plays to know I have confidence in them," Anderson said of his Jerry Seinfeld imitation in the huddle. "I don't let anything get under my skin. Because if I act fast and nervous, then they'll see that and act fast and nervous themselves. You have to stay calm, and if you do, the other guys will react that way."
The Browns trailed 21-9 at halftime, settling for a Phil Dawson 19-yard field goal with 21 seconds left in the second quarter after failing to get into the end zone despite having a first-and-goal from the 2. From that point on, Anderson was lights-out.
He was 4-of-5 for 54 yards as he led the Browns on a 69-yard drive for a TD on the opening possession of the second half to cut the deficit to 21-16.
He was 4-of-6 for 46 yards on a 54-yard march that produced another score at the start of the fourth quarter to put the Browns behind by only two, 24-22.
And on the aforementioned 89-yard drive that netted another TD with 2:17 left in regulation, he was 9-of-12 for 95 yards (the Browns were penalized 10 yards for holding at one point). Then on the two-point conversion, he threw to wide receiver Joe Jurevicius just over the goal line to put the Browns up by three at 30-27, making Seattle kick a field goal just to tie it and force OT.
When the Browns defense stopped the Seahawks on a fourth-and-1 play on the first possession of OT, giving the hosts the ball at their own 44, Anderson was cooler and more confident than he had been all day.
"I didn't actually come out and say, 'Yeah, the game is over,' but I was confident we were going to win it then," Anderson said. "We were only a little over 56 yards away, and we needed to get only about 30 of it to set Phil up for the game-winner."
As it turned out, the Browns got nearly 50 yards -- 49, to be exact -- to get the ball to the Seattle 7, where Dawson hit the 25-yarder on second down to give the Browns the victory.
"We wanted to get as close as we could to make it a chip-shot for him," Anderson said.
The quarterback was so confident on Sunday, in fact, that he helped raise the spirits of Dawson, who was lamenting the fact he had missed an extra point early in the game that kept looming larger and larger.
"You miss throws, you miss kicks. Everybody makes mistakes," Anderson said. "I told him, 'We're going to need you later on.' I had an idea that it was going to come down to him making it."
And this time - for maybe the first time all day - Derek Anderson wasn't joking.
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I'm enjoying his production but that old DA is in there somewhere.
What old DA are you talking about? He's had 10 NFL starts....7 this year and he's 5-2 as a starter. Some of you people absolutely slay me. Now that he threw for 348 against the Seahawks, the naysayers are saying "wait 'til the next two weeks". If Quinn would have put up these same numbers against the same teams, he'd be lauded as the second coming of Otto Graham.
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I'm enjoying his production but that old DA is in there somewhere.
What old DA are you talking about? He's had 10 NFL starts....7 this year and he's 5-2 as a starter. Some of you people absolutely slay me. Now that he threw for 348 against the Seahawks, the naysayers are saying "wait 'til the next two weeks". If Quinn would have put up these same numbers against the same teams, he'd be lauded as the second coming of Otto Graham.
Plus ..... if you look at last year, Anderson was actually pretty effective in 3 of his 4 starts ..... and who knows when, exactly, he was injured against Tampa Bay. He also played with varying number of backups to bums on the OL by that point in the year.
Last year the Browns averaged less than 15 points per game. This year we have scored 227 points in 8 games. Indy has scored 244. New England has scored an ungodly 355. The Browns have outscored every other AFC team to date. Wanna count the NFC? Well .. then we fall to 4th in scoring in the NFL. To go from less than 15 points per game to over 28 per game is just incredible. While we can give credit to the OL, the receivers, the waterboy and the goofy looking dawg mascot dancing around the sidelines ...... some of that credit also has to go to Anderson. He is a productive, effective, and winning QB leading the Cleveland Browns to offensive production not seen here in decades ... and that's all I care about.
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he was intercepted once and his quarterback rating of 75.3 was 20.2 lower than the one he carried into the day.
See he does suck. 75.3 QB rating? Gosh, I could do that.
This to me is one of the most overrated stats. We score 4 td's all inside the 5 but since they weren't passes it changes the numbers dramaticly. DA did appear to be off today but he only threw one dumb pass (the pick). I only saw it live and couldn't see the replay so I don't know if it was tipped or not. I'm going under the assumption that it wasn't. If it was please correct me.
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In a single game, yes, it's a very misleading and entirely unreliable stat. Once you allow the law of averages to play out over the course of a season, it becomes very reliable. The one thing it doesn't account for is scrambling ability.
The INT really wasn't something DA screwed up on. It was just an amazingly good play by Tapp. How he held onto the damned ball I have no idea. Now maybe in the future Anderson will put a little touch on it (right, cold day in hell, *L*) but that's one he has to learn about.
He made a few other ill-advised throws, but he played well. He couldn't have done it without the line, but that doesn't take away what he did.
Back to QB passer rating.........A full schedule will take into account passes that his receivers bailed him out on as well as the one's they drop that hit them in the hands. His numbers have been inflated this year because of the teams we've played, and that corrected somewhat today, rating-wise that is. All in all, I didn't expect him to play that well, especially in crunch time.
Damned hard singing his praises, as I have a tough time believing what I'm seeing.
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As I said last year about Frye ..... the INTs that "shouldn't have happened" .. and the passes that "could/should have been picked off" tend to even out over the course of the year.
You know something amazing ...... I wasn't all that worried when we were down 21-6. Kind of a weird feeling to expect us to be able to come back if we have adversity and a deficit on the scoreboard.
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My point is how TDs inflate the rating so much. If we chose to throw near the goal line today I think his rating would have been near 100. The Ravens game his rating was high even though I don't think he passed nearly as well.
Thanks for the info on the pick. I taped the game so I can see his passes better. End zone seats aren't so good when the team is on the opposite side of the field. I did notice that he appeared to stare down recievers more today. On the 3rd and 5 throw to Winslow JJ was wide open farther down field but he never took his eyes off of Winslow.
I can tell you that I no longer fear it when he drops back to pass. For quite a few of the early games I was just waiting for the pick.
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Kind of a weird feeling to expect us to be able to come back if we have adversity and a deficit on the scoreboard.
We are actually a competitive NFL team. We make plays, not excuses.
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You know something amazing ...... I wasn't all that worried when we were down 21-6. Kind of a weird feeling to expect us to be able to come back if we have adversity and a deficit on the scoreboard.
Me either! This time last year I would have thougth "here we go again." This year, no dice.
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If we only had a pass rush I think we could contend for the playoffs.
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My point is how TDs inflate the rating so much. If we chose to throw near the goal line today I think his rating would have been near 100. The Ravens game his rating was high even though I don't think he passed nearly as well.
Thanks for the info on the pick. I taped the game so I can see his passes better. End zone seats aren't so good when the team is on the opposite side of the field. I did notice that he appeared to stare down recievers more today. On the 3rd and 5 throw to Winslow JJ was wide open farther down field but he never took his eyes off of Winslow.
I can tell you that I no longer fear it when he drops back to pass. For quite a few of the early games I was just waiting for the pick.
We did throw by the goal line (red zone specifically) quite a bit, but just couldn't punch it in through the air - too many incompletions due to poor throws/no one open/drops. Then again, when your RB is getting those 1-2 yards every time, why go away from it?
DA sitting back in the pocket hasn't scared me for a while now. What scares me is DA being pressured, either to make a quick throw inside the pocket or moving outside the pocket. He hit the safety valve much better today than I've seen him in the past, but he can still use a good deal of work in regards to decisions under pressure.
The real hero of this game isn't DA or Lewis or anyone else but the o-line. Words cannot express the complete difference being seen this year. The improved running game, the improved passing game, the lack of sacks... everything is revolving around the line.
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DON'T YOU THINK THE BENGALS WISH THEY HAD HELD ON TO JOHN KITNA!
Two arms are better than one
Should have re signed Anderson last year after his first comeback win. If you looked at his drive to punt turnover FG or TD ratio even last year you could see This level of play was a possibility.
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Then again, when your RB is getting those 1-2 yards every time, why go away from it?
You shouldn't. Less bad things happen IMO when you throw instead of pass. My point is we moved the ball just as effectively whether we ran it in or would have thrown it. When just looking at that one stat it makes it look like he wasn't as effective as he was overall.
The same also can be said in reverse.
You are the one that used this stat to prove a point on how he didn't play well against good teams. 75.3 rating would help your arguement. The thing is if Winslow hits the cone going out of bounds and he isn't interferred with (from my vantage point he was clearly hit early) what would have been his rating? It's not like that would have made a huge difference in the game, but it would in the stats.
To be clear, I'm not proffessing that DA is the real deal. I think it is still waaaaaay to early for that. I do see improvement though. He did miss some wide open recievers today but that will happen with any QB.
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If Winslow scores that touchdown at the end, DA's QB rating bumps up to 82.3 for the game instead of 75.35. In fact, he would've needed to pass for all four touchdowns just to break 100. Again, he wasn't as great as everyone has been professing him to be, but he was certainly passable and stayed cool when the game was on the line, to which credit is due. He didn't show me anything close to what I had hoped to see, which was a great game similar to St. Louis and Miami... but I wasn't really expecting one (given that Seattle isn't a cupcake D). DA gets a passing grade for this game and we move on to even more difficult competition.
The real question, in my mind, is what the front office is thinking. Obviously, they know their players better than any other team. Are they looking at DA as the long-term answer now, or are they silently thinking to themselves "If DA looks this good in our offense, I can only imagine how good Brady will."? It's never a forgone conclusion who a team will keep at QB and, just because someone has proven himself at the NFL level doesn't mean the team won't move in a different and more promising direction (if they feel that way about it).
I keep saying it over and over again... just because DA is doing well this year doesn't mean he won't be trade bait as soon as the season is over.
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I always go with "when in doubt, simplify." If you take it from that angle, it comes down to a bird in the hand versus two in the bush. If DA manages to keep this up all year, I think the team would offer him a new deal to stay. Now would that upset Quinn? Sure, but tough. Team first, hometown here (whatever *L*) second. If Quinn sits on the bench another year, just in case, then he can be traded for another 1st.
I think they are in "wait and see" mode, but are having internal conversations about Anderson. He passed his first real test against a real team, and Opie has to be considering putting a call into his agent if things continue like this.
But there's still half a season to go 
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I don't know if you can see it, but you can see it.
You can't put a finger on it but you can see it. I'm gonna call it Dereks Revenge for lack of a better term.
I don't know if you saw it, but it was there, vs seattle. What am I talking about. I'm talking about the Drives the last one of the first half and the first one of the third quarter.
Derek Anderson personally himself seemed to me more determined to score on that particular drive than on others. This player is determined to take revenge and (answer) a scoring drive with a scoring drive. It was there in the pittsburg game week 1
It was there during the Cincinnati game week 2 with at least 3 (answer drives)
I don't know if you can qualify it, or put a finger on it, But I see it.
Great Quarterbacks have it.
Dereks revenge was on for two drives when the game was 21-6 and its good to see.
D A haters, I know (nobodys perfect, and if you all were GB fans you'd be picking apart Brett Favre more than a def. coordinator) I guess you really want to see Quinn but I really think you all should just relax and enjoy the touchdowns.
6 scoring drives today and more about second guessing the throws.
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DON'T YOU THINK THE BENGALS WISH THEY HAD HELD ON TO JOHN KITNA!
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Should have re signed Anderson last year after his first comeback win. If you looked at his drive to punt turnover FG or TD ratio even last year you could see This level of play was a possibility.
No I really don't think they are sorry about that......However, I do think they wish they held on to Eric Steinbach......
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If Winslow scores that touchdown at the end, DA's QB rating bumps up to 82.3 for the game instead of 75.35. In fact, he would've needed to pass for all four touchdowns just to break 100. Again, he wasn't as great as everyone has been professing him to be, but he was certainly passable and stayed cool when the game was on the line, to which credit is due.Sorry Spec I just cannot let this one go. You give DA backhand credit for winning the game, against a pretty good defense. You forget to mention that QB’s in general don’t do as well against the better teams, that is why they are the better teams. It’s time to give DA more then backhanded credit, guy without him yesterday the Browns DO NOT win. I see now clearly that there is NOTHING DA can do that you won’t find fault with, I am truly sorry for you. DA will have a bad throw and a bad game from time to time, but to lesson the impact of his play by giving him less then the credit he clearly deserves only serves to lesson my regard for you as a poster. Your being way way to critical of a player that has been MORE the adiquit. My bet is that you would have blamed the lose on DA had we not won, and the truth is that if we had not won it wouldn’t have been because DA didn’t play well enough. Time to fess up, DA is and has been the driving force behind the success of the offense and the Browns. He didn't show me anything close to what I had hoped to see, which was a great game similar to St. Louis and Miami... but I wasn't really expecting one (given that Seattle isn't a cupcake D). DA gets a passing grade for this game and we move on to even more difficult competition.Again most QB’s don’t show the same level of consistency against the better teams, so what is your point? That the theory that QB’s don’t do as well against the better teams is a well documented fact. More important than your baseless opinion is did DA manage the game well, and did he limit his mistakes to a level that gave the Browns a good chance to win? That’s what you hope for when you play better teams not that you run up your numbers, please stop your point isn’t a point. The real question, in my mind, is what the front office is thinking. Obviously, they know their players better than any other team. Are they looking at DA as the long-term answer now, or are they silently thinking to themselves "If DA looks this good in our offense, I can only imagine how good Brady will."? It's never a forgone conclusion who a team will keep at QB and, just because someone has proven himself at the NFL level doesn't mean the team won't move in a different and more promising direction (if they feel that way about it).I will say this is the only legit part of your post. Yes at some point in the not to distant future the Browns are going to have to make a decision about the long term QB situation in Cleveland. And yes the discussion is sure to turn to who do you think will be the better QB long term for the Browns. I think BQ will be the better option, and that has nothing to do with my giving credit to DA, he simply has played great. It makes the decision as to what the Browns will do in the long term that much tuffer, to be sure. It is clear to this poster on which side of the whole QB thing your opinion falls. That’s fine, but to continue to hope that somehow DA fails and to try to discredit the positive he clearly has been isn’t cool. And your not out ahead of the curve by questioning his solid play. If he has a bad game look out here comes SPEC, and all QB’s have bad games so you can keep it, when it does come, and it surely will at some point, it always does, sooner or later. Waiting for it to happen so you can jump on DA with both feet is pretty sad, for you that is! I keep saying it over and over again... just because DA is doing well this year doesn't mean he won't be trade bait as soon as the season is over.And I'm kind of tired of hearing it!True enough and like it or not your boy BQ may be trade bait as well. Or better yet the Browns may keep them both, there sure as hell can’t be any harm in that either. But make no mistake as long as DA continues to perform at the level he is, BQ will continue to work on his splitter collection, that much is clear.   MHO
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What old DA are you talking about? He's had 10 NFL starts....7 this year and he's 5-2 as a starter. Some of you people absolutely slay me. Now that he threw for 348 against the Seahawks, the naysayers are saying "wait 'til the next two weeks". If Quinn would have put up these same numbers against the same teams, he'd be lauded as the second coming of Otto Graham.
Those 10 NFL starts is exactly why I'm not ready to crown Anderson as the next Otto Graham regardless who he puts numbers up against. It's just too early for me. It's nice to see him get more time so he can make better decisions and therefore form better habits. I'm neither an Anderson hater or a Quinn pimp. I simply feel the QB play has as much to do with the improved line play as it does with any QB development.
Both QB and line though make me smile at this point.
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Honestly Toad,, I wasn't trying to be a SmartAzz,,, I really didn't understand where you were coming from.. It was more of a question than a comment...
Yeah, DA had a rough first half,, the whole team struggled somewhat. But man O man, they sure know how to make it interesting don't they
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U bet they're wishin'...  Bungles...LMAO...
Man I'm droolin' at the thought of a 2nd year of these guys together...THIS IS HUGE!!!
Thomas
Steiner
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BENTLEY @ RG...
And Fraley's the "Ole' Man" of the group at 30 next year...The rest are 28 and LESS...
And signed long term!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anderson???...When's the last time we saw a 350+ yard day from a QB with zero TD's???...LOL...
This kids got a GUN...Quinn may not like what's goin' on but this is the BEST scenario we coulda hoped for...
Kudos to Savage and Crennel for pullin' the trigger on Frye as quick as they did...Even tho the media had a field day with it it's turned out they can shove their criticism where it don't shine!!!
All I hope for is a SPLIT of these next 2 games...Preferably winning in PITT...We go 6-4 after 10 with a 3-2 Division record and only Cincy left and we can start talkin' the "P" word and maybe even the AFC North "C" word!!!
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Sorry Spec I just cannot let this one go. You give DA backhand credit for winning the game, against a pretty good defense. You forget to mention that QB’s in general don’t do as well against the better teams, that is why they are the better teams.
It's not that... it's the fact that against a pretty good defense, DA is a noticeably different quarterback. Like I said, he passed this test, but he didn't do it at an exceptional level. He made some bad throws and reads that weren't there in the previous two games and couldn't complete a pass to save his life in the red zone. Sure, there were some drops, but it was clear watching the game that something was different yesterday from the last two games. Again, we won. I can't complain and I'm not going to knock DA for putting us in position to win at all. I just want to see more.
The next two weeks are incredibly important games against divisional opponents in their home turf. We NEED DA to step it up versus them if we want to give our playoff chances a huge shot in the arm. The only thing is... we'll need him to put up performances similar to how he performed against Cincinnati, Miami and St. Louis to do it... and I just don't know that he's capable of doing that against a top defense. As always, I hope he proves me wrong, because we really need him these next two weeks.
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we'll need him to put up performances similar to how he performed against Cincinnati, Miami and St. Louis to do it... and I just don't know that he's capable of doing that against a top defense.
Do you realize how ridiculous that statement is?
Anderson played damn near perfectly against Miami and St Louis. He lit up Cincinnati in a fashion not seen from any QB not named (TOM) Brady this year.
So "all' he has to do is put up perfect numbers against top defenses and you'll come around? 
I guess it's easy to deride a guy when "all" you expect is perfection each and every play.
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we'll need him to put up performances similar to how he performed against Cincinnati, Miami and St. Louis to do it... and I just don't know that he's capable of doing that against a top defense.
Dude...Don't hold your breath...That's UNREALISTIC...
Smoke the bad defenses and manage the solid ones...
He and every other QB isn't gonna light up a Pitt or Baltimore D...Not consistently anyways...
Don't look for 300+ yards and 3 TD's with NO Picks against these teams...That's nuts...
I don't care if he's 22 for 45 with ONE TD and 3 Picks as long as we sneak out a WIN...Just don't do stupid stuff to CAUSE A LOSS...
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Spectre, guy did you bump your head on something, you cannot be serious. Taking every opportunity you can to TRY to lesson the play of DA with backhanded and IMHO stupid remarks is well not giving me a strong opinion of you in the football area. I have seen quite a few of your posts, and while you seem to be a most reasonable poster in most instances that I can remember the very idea that DA has to play at the same level he has against poor teams when playing top of the heep teams is well stupid, don't you think?
Isn't it much more reasonable to say I want to see him limit his mistakes and give the Browns a chance to win, period. The idea that he can put up numbers similar to what he did against the Rams, and Fins, for you to credit the guy is well stupid.
I'm not 100% sold on any player that has played for the length of time DA has, but you don't go from game 1 to game 32 in one leep you play em one at a time, and to that end at this juncture in time the guy has played great, not good great, for any QB, at any level of experience. Does that make him Otto, or Peyton, or Tom, no but he sure as hell is on his way to being mentioned in that company, and nothing you can say takes from that FACT. Will it continue, who the hell knows, but to not credit the guy and find fault at every turn lessons my overall opinion of you as a poster for sure..
Question, did you think that DA was going to drive the team to the winning score at the end of the game?? If so he must be doing soemthing right because to the very last Browns player they said they knew that DA would drive the team to a victory if they could get him the ball, now I ask you what the hell more can you ask from your starting QB??
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we'll need him to put up performances similar to how he performed against Cincinnati, Miami and St. Louis to do it... and I just don't know that he's capable of doing that against a top defense.
Dude...Don't hold your breath...That's UNREALISTIC...
Smoke the bad defenses and manage the solid ones...
He and every other QB isn't gonna light up a Pitt or Baltimore D...Not consistently anyways...
Don't look for 300+ yards and 3 TD's with NO Picks against these teams...That's nuts...
I don't care if he's 22 for 45 with ONE TD and 3 Picks as long as we sneak out a WIN...Just don't do stupid stuff to CAUSE A LOSS...
Exactly.
Some here seem to think that if DA can't tear up the Patriots then he's a terrible QB. And then if we beat up a losing team, it's not worth mentioning b/c how bad the other team was.
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I'm surprised people are still saying that DA sucks, he's going to fail once he plays a real team etc.. He very well might, but remember it's not DA alone, the rest of the Cleveland Browns are playing too!
1. DA isn't playing by himself, there is a team involved here..
2. He's young and frankly, inexperienced. There is a learning curve.
3. He's sure seems to be getting better as time goes on, he seems to be learning from mistakes and not repeating them.. there were times in yesterdays game where he didn't see anything, so he does the smart thing and pitches the damn ball away. Would he have done that in the past? He's learning, and I'm happy with the pace that he is learning at.
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we'll need him to put up performances similar to how he performed against Cincinnati, Miami and St. Louis to do it... and I just don't know that he's capable of doing that against a top defense.
Do you realize how ridiculous that statement is?
Anderson played damn near perfectly against Miami and St Louis. He lit up Cincinnati in a fashion not seen from any QB not named (TOM) Brady this year.
So "all' he has to do is put up perfect numbers against top defenses and you'll come around?
I guess it's easy to deride a guy when "all" you expect is perfection each and every play.
So let me get this straight... against three of the league's worst defenses, with near perfect pass protection and great targets, DA lights someone up and you're gushing? That's what he's SUPPOSED to do - you are completely underestimating the surrounding cast that Anderson has right now. It's incredible. I am still waiting for DA to do what people DON'T expect him to do, which is to put up a few impressive games against defenses he ISN'T supposed to beat.
If the good games against bad teams were an indication of DA's ability, he'd be doing something similar against good defenses... but the bottom line is that he's a different looking QB based on who he plays.
He doesn't make the same throws, the same reads or the same good decisions against better defenses that he does against the cupcakes. That's a concern to me and I don't care whether it is to you. This game was acceptable, but it didn't answer a single question for me. I still need to see more. Sorry that I'm putting the guy under a stress test, but if we're talking about trading our 1st round pick from this year for him, I think we SHOULD be doing just that.
I don't want to be so blinded by winning that we become next year's San Francisco 49ers or New York Jets. If we don't scrutinize the team now moving ahead and get too focused on the NOW, that might just be our fate.
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Spectre, guy did you bump your head on something, you cannot be serious. Taking every opportunity you can to TRY to lesson the play of DA with backhanded and IMHO stupid remarks is well not giving me a strong opinion of you in the football area. I have seen quite a few of your posts, and while you seem to be a most reasonable poster in most instances that I can remember the very idea that DA has to play at the same level he has against poor teams when playing top of the heep teams is well stupid, don't you think?
I've never been about trying to impress fellow posters, I'm about trying to call it like I see it and telling people, regardless of what they happen to believe. I'm no bandwagoner. Do you know how much flack I got for ripping Reuben after his 1,400 yard season by saying that he was incredibly overrated? Do you know how much garbage I got from nearly everyone on this board for pimping Adrian Peterson as a great NFL runner before he even played a down?
In the end, I'll call them like I see them and this is one situation more than anything else that I want to be wrong. I'm telling you though - there's something about DA that doesn't sit right with me, especially given that our schedule is one of the easiest in the league. I enjoy the wins like everyone else, but I don't let them cloud my judgment. I'd rather take slow, methodical, gradual progress than burn brightly for one year like the Jets, only to burn out the next.
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he was second in the NFL in scoring tosses going into the game with 14 --
17, actually.
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I'm surprised people are still saying that DA sucks, he's going to fail once he plays a real team etc.. He very well might, but remember it's not DA alone, the rest of the Cleveland Browns are playing too!
I don't see people saying this kind of stuff. Spectre is IMO a little stuborn in giving DA credit for improvement but I don't see him saying DA sucks. I know I'm taking a cautious attitude but that's because I've been fooled before.
The fact that we are winning is a good thing. Whether or not DA can become a long term answer is up in the air, but the fact we are scoring so many points is in no small part do to DA.
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I'm enjoying his production but that old DA is in there somewhere.
What old DA are you talking about? He's had 10 NFL starts....7 this year and he's 5-2 as a starter. Some of you people absolutely slay me. Now that he threw for 348 against the Seahawks, the naysayers are saying "wait 'til the next two weeks". If Quinn would have put up these same numbers against the same teams, he'd be lauded as the second coming of Otto Graham.
Those 10 NFL starts is exactly why I'm not ready to crown Anderson as the next Otto Graham regardless who he puts numbers up against. It's just too early for me. It's nice to see him get more time so he can make better decisions and therefore form better habits. I'm neither an Anderson hater or a Quinn pimp. I simply feel the QB play has as much to do with the improved line play as it does with any QB development.
Both QB and line though make me smile at this point.
Nobody's crowning him anything, yet. But to say there's an "old DA in there" based on shaky decision making his first few NFL starts is not giving him proper credit for his improvement. He led two long critical scoring drives against a good D ....not just any qb can do that no matter how good the line was. Our line gave good pass protection, but the run blocking was mediocre at best. He had to pass and the Seattle D knew it...and still drove us to scores. He also had little help from our defense much of the game.
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Spectre, guy did you bump your head on something, you cannot be serious. Taking every opportunity you can to TRY to lesson the play of DA with backhanded and IMHO stupid remarks is well not giving me a strong opinion of you in the football area. I have seen quite a few of your posts, and while you seem to be a most reasonable poster in most instances that I can remember the very idea that DA has to play at the same level he has against poor teams when playing top of the heep teams is well stupid, don't you think?
Isn't it much more reasonable to say I want to see him limit his mistakes and give the Browns a chance to win, period. The idea that he can put up numbers similar to what he did against the Rams, and Fins, for you to credit the guy is well stupid.
I'm not 100% sold on any player that has played for the length of time DA has, but you don't go from game 1 to game 32 in one leep you play em one at a time, and to that end at this juncture in time the guy has played great, not good great, for any QB, at any level of experience. Does that make him Otto, or Peyton, or Tom, no but he sure as hell is on his way to being mentioned in that company, and nothing you can say takes from that FACT. Will it continue, who the hell knows, but to not credit the guy and find fault at every turn lessons my overall opinion of you as a poster for sure..
Question, did you think that DA was going to drive the team to the winning score at the end of the game?? If so he must be doing something right because to the very last Browns player they said they knew that DA would drive the team to a victory if they could get him the ball, now I ask you what the hell more can you ask from your starting QB??
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Question, did you think that DA was going to drive the team to the winning score at the end of the game?? If so he must be doing something right because to the very last Browns player they said they knew that DA would drive the team to a victory if they could get him the ball, now I ask you what the hell more can you ask from your starting QB??
Answer the question spec !! Or perhaps we should just go with your gut feeling on this because you were right once when your gut told you so.
First of all, it's not just my gut - it's my eyes that tell me what I need to know. Secondly, yes, I figured we were going to score once we got the ball back. We got it around mid-field with a ridiculous amount of momentum after a HUGE 4th and 1/2 stop, their defense hadn't been able to put pressure on us all day, and DA was playing well enough to get us within range. I'm glad he was able to keep us in the game and get us in position to win it for us... but that doesn't mean he had a great game.
What more can I ask? How about not having to overcome another double digit deficit to win? Again... we can do that against St. Louis after Bulger and Jackson go down or against Seattle after Alexander goes down and Branch isn't in the game to begin with, but better teams in better situations will never let us back in the game. That's exactly what happened against the Patriots - DA killed us early on and we never got it back.
You can talk up all these strong closing drives, but if we had strong opening drives to begin with, we'd never have to worry about being in a sudden death situation in the first place.
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I still don't understand how everyone in the football world seems to be thinking Anderson is the next great thing. He started games last year, was below average in preseason and training camp, looked terrible in his first start this year. Now, we have a gelled line, receivers making big time catches, and all of a sudden, Anderson is the next great thing?
You can't look at the success of the O-line and not take that into consideration when talking about DA's success. Everybody knows that, but one cannot deny the abilitties that DA brings at the position for this team. He has tremendous arm strength and quick release. Also, his accuracy is improving and he is putting the ball where it needs to be. I agree that DA had a sub-par preseason, training camp, and play last year; but you have to remember that DA is young and practically a rookie himself. He wouldn't be so special if it wasn't for an obvious improvement in his play and decisions each week he steps onto the field. All the NFL analysists that we read and see on t.v. see that and that's what the hype is all about: That Derek Anderson is actually going to get better under Chud's system.
How can we as Cleveland fans finally watch exciting victories and even meantion trading off a huge factor in our team's success? It would be a huge mistake to trade DA in the off season. Jaws will drop around the NFL, our administration will again be under question by the media as to why dump proven success, and we as fans will have our doubts again as to if our offense can pool through under another inexperienced QB while undergoing Quinns growing pains.
This is how redilculous the talk of trading DA is: Lets bench Anderson now, just so we can get Quinn experience this year amd be successfull next year. 
The funny thing is I remember seeing the above statement posted multiple times.
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It would be a huge mistake to trade DA in the off season. Jaws will drop around the NFL, our administration will again be under question by the media as to why dump proven success, and we as fans will have our doubts again as to if our offense can pool through under another inexperienced QB while undergoing Quinns growing pains.
We might not have a choice. If teams really view DA as a franchise signal caller (not that they will, just for the sake of argument), a first and a third is a small price to pay to get someone NFL ready, with 3 years of learning and one year of starting experience under their belt. If they toss him a huge contract and include a poison pill that turns all the money in the contract guaranteed... there's absolutely no way we can match. Everyone mentions Minnesota as the most likely trade target for DA, but don't forget... they're also the ones that got Hutchinson from Seattle with a poison pill.
Even if you're someone that believes DA is the future and wants to keep him around for the long haul... we might not be the ones deciding his fate.
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