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So what you're saying is you want KS fired?

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It was brought up in today's presser. Agree, that with Chubb and Hunt just run the ball. Don't overthink it.


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Originally Posted By: WSU Willie

Many things were different Sunday. To my eye, we weren't losing "integrity(?)" when rushing the QB. We looked much more under control and the front of the pocket was regularly compromised or clogged-up. There were obviously fewer lanes for the QB to escape. Discipline? Scheme? Opponent? Probably all three.



I had to listen to the first couple drives of the game, but I thought I heard our announcers mention the Ends rushing upfield too fast a couple times (might've even been consecutive snaps). That quickly got ironed out, obviously.


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Yeah, I was frustrated on the Bears first drive how all of our DL went around to each side, up the field, and left the middle wide open for Fields. It was a really bad look. I was worried after seeing that happen.

That being said, it was also the last time something like that happened.


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Same. I was complaining to everyone in the room that Myles pushed too far upfield - again - and there was a lane vacated for the QB to run.
Suddenly, that wasn't an issue any longer.


Hopefully, this was all practice for Lamar and Whathisface in Arizona, and all the other running QBs we face this season.


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Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
Same. I was complaining to everyone in the room that Myles pushed too far upfield - again - and there was a lane vacated for the QB to run.
Suddenly, that wasn't an issue any longer.


Hopefully, this was all practice for Lamar and Whathisface in Arizona, and all the other running QBs we face this season.


Yes...yes...and yes. Again...not sure if that was scheme, discipline or opponent...or all three...don't really care. In the end, we need more of that.

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I am glad the Orange and Brown Report did a film breakdown of JOK.

Really excellent study. As the game was on I would replay downs and just say WOW.

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Pass Rush

TEAM 9 Sacks GARRETT 4.5 Sacks Clowney 2 Sacks JOK 1 Sack Harrison 1 Sack

JOK played great The Defense finally showed up

Bears Total Yards 46 Rush 1 Pass 47 Total Yards WOW

BAKER 19/31 246 Yards 1TD 0 INT's

HUNT Rush 10/81 1TD Rec. 6/74 Total Yards 155 Yards

CHUBB 22/84

OBJ 5/77


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I gotta say, I can't blame everything on Fields.. No, he wasn't very good but that Oline,, Geez.. And Nagy, How the hell do you not keep someone back to help.. He keeps that up, he's gonna get Fields killed.

All and all, a dominant performance by the D..

Question, is this D for real or was it just something for yesterday?

Among all the cries to fire Woods, I've not wanted that. I felt that more time was needed. I was hoping the light would go on.. Did it go on yesterday... Is this what we can expect going forward every week... Hope so. Because if it is, our opponents are in real trouble..

I enjoyed the hell out of that game.. Lots of fun to watch.

Baker was typical Baker.. Had a bit of a rough start but settled down.

Chubb didn't look like himself yesterday.. seemed to tentitive. 22 runs for 84 yards isn't horrible at all,, but still..

Hunt was a beast.. We are lucky to have them both..

The Oline looked different yesterday,, Weaker even, but honestly, I think it was missing Wills a little for I think 11 snaps. And when he was there he wasn't 100%. And the Bears Dline is pretty damn good so maybe a little of all that. Still, 200 yards rushing,, that doesn't happen by accident.

Overall, a satisfying win.. Loved it..

Sunday will be a good test.. can't wait..

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Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
Ok, I'm going to pick some nits with the playcalling.

Our first drive we had 3rd and 5, pass, incomplete. Go for it, pass, sack.

Our second drive we had 3rd and 1, pass, incomplete. Go for it, pass sack.

One drive in the 4th quarter we had 3rd and 2, pass, incomplete. Kick FG.

I like the aggressiveness of Ski going for it a lot. But if you have 3rd and anything less than 5, and you know in the back of your mind that you are going to go for it... run the ball, run it twice. If we can't get 2 yards on 2 carries, then we deserve to get stopped.

We had 2 other 3rd and shorts in + territory that I remember, a 3rd and 1 where we gave it to Hunt and he went 26 yards for a TD and another that set up the Hooper TD pass, where we had 3rd and 1 and Hunt went for 4 or 5...



I agree.

That was maybe a case of trying to think too much.


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I think some opponents just fit Chubb and/or Hunt better, for whatever reason. Yesterday wasn’t a day for the brute force; we needed the quicker burst to get to the 2nd level earlier.


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I agree. Roquan Smith matches up well against Chubb, and it seemed pretty apparent yesterday that they were scheming to take Chubb away. I guess they forgot about Hunt, though. His presence as a dual threat I think had their D a little more off balance.


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Interesting factoid about Sunday's game:

Who rushed for more yards against Chicago, Chubb or Hunt?

For as amazing a game as Hunt had and how underwhelming Chubb was, Chubb actually ran for more yards. 84 to 81
Of course Hunt also had 74 receiving yards


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If you watched, the Bears were more focused on stopping plays in the middle, where Chubb is more effective. Hunt made a lot of the plays to the outside..


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Originally Posted By: Jester
Interesting factoid about Sunday's game:

Who rushed for more yards against Chicago, Chubb or Hunt?

For as amazing a game as Hunt had and how underwhelming Chubb was, Chubb actually ran for more yards. 84 to 81
Of course Hunt also had 74 receiving yards


You have to look at the whole picture though. Look at the number of attempts, YPC, and like you said, the receiving yards.


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JOk is going to make this team different.

Delpit is going to make this team different

Newsome is going to make this team different

Johnson is going to make this team different

I wonder how likely we are to keep Ward with Williams sitting on the bench

I wonder if Troy will see more playing time.


I can't wait for Walker to come back we are out of MLB's we only have smith left. everyone else is on IR


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Some feel that Newsome is our best corner.


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Grades wise I think he is, but he still lacks experience and at some point it will show.


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Grades wise I think he is, but he still lacks experience and at some point it will show.


No doubt. Experience isn't something you can buy or practice.


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When you watch other games.

What stands out is:

No team can run it like the Browns. It is the combination of Chubb/Hunt and the OL.

That gives us a unique ability.

The Ravens can run it but Lamar is what makes it.

The Browns run game sets up all of what we do offensively.


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Love to see that


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Grades wise I think he is, but he still lacks experience and at some point it will show.


Most likely, yes. The odds are in favor of him having a stumble or a bad game at some point, but it is far from written in stone. I mean, so far, it looks like he has picked up right where his college career left off. Last year, he was better than any other CB in the Big 10 with 10 pass break-ups and allowed less than 1/3rd of the targets his way to become completions.

We are coming up on being a quarter of the way through the season and QBs have shied away from going after the rookie and instead tend to go at Ward more often; at some point, you just have think "well, damn, this is who he is".


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Originally Posted By: bonefish


The Browns run game sets up all of what we do offensively.



Depending on the opponent. As it should be.


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I wonder how likely we are to keep Ward with Williams sitting on the bench


I think the question is how long will we keep Williams. He has not shown enough to make anyone think he can replace Ward. He has missed more games than Ward, in one less season. And other than this preseason he has not really flashed when he was out there. And it was preseason.

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If Newsome has to spend time off the field for his calf, we finally get to see Greedy get significant snaps. It's still too early to really say anything, but Newsome has shown up far better than any rookie CB should be expected to, and if Greedy can play well, that's 2 very young corners that could carry the load if we suddenly find ourselves without Ward.


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Agreed. If Williams can show that he can play, it gives us 4 guys who are capable at CB (including Hill). That would be great.


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To h8s credit, Greedy has been getting snaps, and his name hasn't been showing up, so he may be ok; just not good enough to supplant Ward or Newsome.


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Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
To h8s credit, Greedy has been getting snaps, and his name hasn't been showing up, so he may be ok; just not good enough to supplant Ward or Newsome.


Well Greedy will be showing up this week since Newsome is OUT.

IOW Newsome was just supplanted.

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no, he was not supplanted. Greedy is still the backup.


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no, he was not supplanted. Greedy is still the backup.


Newsome was supplanted by INJURY. You have to be able to stay on the field.

Let's see if Greedy can do something NEW and stay on the field.

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I was at the game Sunday, and had an absolute blast.

I thought there were so many really nice contributions from guys on the team (aside from myles garrett, who has a major contribution, lol). Odell had a couple of really important catches. Again, nobody other than Garrett is going to have flashy numbers, but for a game that was a defensive struggle most of the day, guys came up big when needed. Beckham looked good. Hunt looked really good. The corners were draped on their receivers. JOK had a bit of a coming out game. Special teams took care of business.

The PI call that got Chicago their second field goal attempt was atrocious. I hope the booing was heard loud and clear on tv, because the stadium was really unhappy with that call, even moreso after the screen showed the replay. You can't throw that flag.

Justin Fields did not play well. The focus has been on Nagy, and rightfully so, but Fields looked pedestrian any time he tried to get out the pocket. Garrett ran him down with ease, which is probably more on Garrett than Fields, but still.

It's hilarious that the focus was all about the Bears, Nagy, etc after this game, and very little about what a defensive performance that was by the Browns.

After halftime it became more fun to watch the Browns when they didn't have the ball. It felt like the Bears had a middle of the road college OL out there. You just knew the pocket had zero chance. Really fun to watch. Maybe the first time I have ever said that about a Browns team.

I had a blast. The Muni lot was wild. Lots of Bears fans but everyone seemed to be getting along. Saw no fights or other buffoonery. I missed tailgating

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The PI call that got Chicago their second field goal attempt was atrocious. I hope the booing was heard loud and clear on tv, because the stadium was really unhappy with that call, even moreso after the screen showed the replay. You can't throw that flag.

My biggest complaint about that call was that you see the WR get away with that little separation bump all the time and it's almost never called. He didn't shove him, he didn't push him, he barely even touched him, he just stood with his hands on him until he took the step back for the ball. The WR wasn't fighting for better position and being held back.


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The PI call that got Chicago their second field goal attempt was atrocious. I hope the booing was heard loud and clear on tv, because the stadium was really unhappy with that call, even moreso after the screen showed the replay. You can't throw that flag.

My biggest complaint about that call was that you see the WR get away with that little separation bump all the time and it's almost never called. He didn't shove him, he didn't push him, he barely even touched him, he just stood with his hands on him until he took the step back for the ball. The WR wasn't fighting for better position and being held back.


There should never be a call period as long as the defender is playing the ball and not the player and he was that is clear. Not just that but what I said is the rule, the offensive player doesn't get 1st dibs on a ball because he was the intended target. Really bad call and something I have grown to expect.

The thing we always must avoid at nearly all costs is having the game come down to a call by a ref it's asking for trouble as is it truly meant next to nothing but it sure as hell could of.


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Kind of off topic, but while I can't say enough about Wills gutting it out with the ankle we need to get that poor guy off the field to heal up. Yikes.


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I don't agree that a call should never be made even if going for the ball. Going for the ball shouldn't impede the other players equal chance at the ball, both O and D.

That said, the refs under league direction don't seem to call it that way very often.

I'd like to see the rules change. Blatant fouls should be spot fouls. Incidental calls, ticky tack I call then, them should be a 5 yard penalty, automatic 1st down.

I just don't like a penalty to award a team with a big chunk of yardage.


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