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Me too. In a heartbeat. This last year we burnt a 3rd round pick on a sprinter with about two drops of #realfootballplayer in his DNA. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. This guy is worth the gamble.

I'd spend a 4th on him. After a trade down.

Guys, I am not clamoring for it, but I have a feeling we will be QB shopping come the 2023 draft. I hope we collect a few extra picks.

I'd accept it if we were, but damn I hate to even think of it because it means we've wasted four more years of just trying to get started, and in the interim, everything we've built will be going away.

Likeliest QB scenarios:

1. Keep Baker until someone better is available
2. Keep Baker long term
3. Draft a QB

I don't think anyone wants that outcome. The positive to all of this is we have Baker under contract next year and we'll see a healthy Baker returning. I'm sure we're all hoping for the best.

Oh, there are definitely those around here that are hoping for it.

You may be right but for the life of me I can't think of how that would make any logical sense.

Maybe, maybe not. If it is a QB that is a better fit to the Stefanski system, then we are only behind a year...(while the new guy grows).

Look how it is going to change just next year. OBJ gone. Landry soon to be. On D...who knows how much that will change?

I know I am. I am just beginning to think that there is some sort of disconnect between the two on how a O should operate. Again, I am not saying one is wrong and the other right, or predicting this will happen.

Just a feeling for what it's worth.

If Ski stays the OC this next season , and I where Baker ; I would tell my agent to get me the heck out of Cleveland.

No Kickers or Punters in the draft.

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What are the Browns expecting to improve with the draft that they didn't already have in 2021.

Get the agent on the phone.

So are saying we are on opposite sides of a coin ? lol

When you are a below average QB you don’t get to make demands.

You don't have to sign a new contract either. When I say " opposite sides of the coin " I mean Baker .. We just disagree .. I think Bakers problem is Stefanski!

I hate the fact Stefnaski threw three int's yesterday when he let "Baker be Baker".

There are open receivers. The QB isn’t finding them. I don’t see how that is Stefanski’s fault.

I’m hoping we find a way to keep Jarvis. One of our goals as an organization should be to get him into HOF consideration. He’s been a great leader and consistent contributor when healthy. Can’t lose guys like him. I think the Haslam’s should request feedback from guys like Jarvis and other vets like Myles, Bitonio, Conklin, etc. as to how we can upgrade the team heading into next year. Maybe a stud linebacker in round 1 and the best wide receiver available in round 2.

Buckeye fans - thoughts on Garret Wilson or Olave? Worth it?

Landry HOF consideration? Sorry, I can't see how that is even close to being possible.

Certainly not before Gary Collins.

Olave is a great route runner with a really good football IQ. Good separation, good hands, great quickness. I don't know what he'll run, but I'll guess low 4.4s. I can see him outside or inside. He'd be a great addition to the team.

Wilson I think is more of a slot guy than an outside guy, but it doesn't mean he can't play outside. Good route runner, but not as good as Olave. IIRC he was prone to drops, though I didn't see that much this year. Incredible release and once he has the ball in his hands, he's deadly. Good separation, decent to good hands, very goo quickness. I suspect he'll run similar to Olave, maybe mid 4.4s, but again, he's quick as heck. I view him as more of a twitch guy.

I think if we keep Landry (please!), Olave is the better fit. If we get rid of Landry, I think either would be a good fit.

I like the former Buckeye Jameson Williams too - more of a sheer speed threat. And also George Pickens - bigger (and not as fast) guy in round 2 or 3, but another good route runner.


I've said this before, but the guy I want is Nakobe Dean (LB). He's another JOK in my opinion. If we're able to re-sign Clowney, McDowell, and Harrison - he could be the guy that takes a good D to great D (despite Joe Woods).

Why not? If you look at his numbers, he's about 60% of Hines Ward across the board (years, catches, yards, TDs) and already has more Pro Bowls. No championships clearly, but I'm not sure if that matters. Ward is a semi-finalist for the 2022 class, that's why I bring him up. Clearly Jarvis has a lot of work to do, but it feels possible if he stays healthy

He's got a decent shot if he can remain healthy, if he just averages 70 receptions a year for the next 4 years that puts him top 20 all-time, ahead of Art Monk and Andre Reed and right behind Randy Moss.

I think KS and Berry are simply looking for a QB that can read the field and deliver the ball on time.

I'm just saying that our offense runs through Chubb. I doubt we're not looking for any sort of exotic running QB (especially because they tend to not work so well on the precision passing part), and I don't think the offense really calls for a Patrick Mahomes creative gunslinger type. Arm strength helps a little, but it seems their ideal quarterback is one that's a little more boring than Mahomes or Baker. They'd trade the big plays for reliably hitting completions.

While I agree with you about how this FO should be a "BPA team" in t5he draft, you mentioned something else in your post that I think has a major component on determining who that player will be. And that's what positions they find as a rare commodity. I think at least in this years draft they wouldn't consider a QB or a WR a value in the first round because first they don't feel there is a need.

My dad used to explain it to me this way even though it was not about football. Yet I think it still applies. "Just because something is on sale doesn't mean it's a good deal. Something on sale is only a good deal if you need it and feel you have a good use for it."

Now I can't say for sure but I think this FO believes more in a WR who can run good routes. The entire "separation" issue I think is widely overblown. The NFL window is much smaller than in college because the players are so much better. In the NFL if you have a half step, a step or position on the defender in the NFL, you are considered open. For someone to be "wide open" means the defender blew their coverage in most cases. That is done with quick footwork and crisp route running. I don't believe they consider it necessary to make a first round investment to find that.

How much a FO values a position in part helps them decide who and what position BPA is to a large degree IMO. I think that's why last year serves as a good example to their approach in the draft. They targeted good players but they tended to be positions of needs in areas they wanted to address well before the draft even took place. Until I see a change in direction from them that's the way I tend to think they'll approach it this year as well.

I'm still hoping we've already found a QB we can win with. But I certainly understand the point you're making. And actually I think that seems to be the pattern they've been trying to follow in the draft as it pertains to addressing the defense and a combination of drafting and signing OT's. I think we both know that nobody bats 1000 in the draft but the pattern they've established in the positions and FA signings they've made certainly seems to indicate that's what they're attempting to do.

There's only one catch however. Nobody could have predicted that Chris Hubbard would go down. As far as a utility OL player that's third on your depth chart at OT, I think we were pretty well set up. I know fans aren't happy about our OT situation as it stands, but with the salary cap being what it is I think it's only realistic to understand you can only spend so much on players when you get to fourth and fifth on the depth chart at any position. That said I certainly agree with those who feel we should have looked very hard at getting another OT before the trade deadline passed. I also don't know that they didn't and that the cost was too steep or they couldn't find a willing trading partner. I doubt any of us will ever know.

So…

We drafted Zane Gonzalez. He won all the awards the year he came out.

That didn't work, or we gave up too soon.

No worries. I wasn't defending McLaughlin or saying we shouldn't draft one. I was only pointing out we drafted one considered the best in the class a few years back. Last year I wanted McPhearson who is now with Cincy. I was familiar with him since he kicked for the Gators. He's had a great season for the Bengals.

I know SEC best since i watch most games I can on television.

Both Cade York of LSU and Will Reichard of Bama are pretty much money. I'd take either one.

The Entire Organaization isn't asking enough...
Look, draft, Tommy Togiai is not a bad player, was a good player, may be a good player,
is not a bad player, BUT!
IT WAS A HORRIBLE DECISION TO DRAFT HIM edit! I wasn't finished

because how hard is it to find a big guy who can hit, all the UDFAs like Day and others

the team needs to draft 8 wide receivers every year until they can get a passing game because as we all see
nothing else matters!

How is the Draft going to help the Browns in any way. Because this next statement is mostly if not completely true.

Man for Man the Browns in 2021 are Twice as talented as the Tennessee titans and those losers, (because of their division,) are about to get the first round bye.
So it's not Talent acquisition! It's the 2 minute offense.

j/c...

With draft season officially here, PFF has released their first mock draft:

13. CLEVELAND BROWNS: WR Garrett Wilson, Ohio State Buckeyes

Wilson is a route-running savant. He’s sudden and fluid, and he ranked in the 93rd percentile in separation percentage against single coverage for the 2021 season. The 6-foot, 192-pound receiver played primarily in the slot in 2020 before transitioning to the outside for 2021, yet he still managed to average more than 3.00 yards per route run each year.

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2022...broncos-quarterback-matt-corral-ole-miss