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Now I ask this question I have seen post after post after post after post saying that PS basicly picked and hired RACS staff, andf they he had nothing to say about it. I even saw posts that said RAC wasn't much of a man to let PS kick him around and if he had a backbone he would resign, all kinds of carp. The long and the short is this PS has repeatedly said he had input on the staff, but it was RAC's staff, now who is smoking what that takes this from PS is in charge of the coaching staff and RAC is just a over paid waterboy. I don't get it RAC decides who his staff is making stuff up is not a very nice or cool thing to do, in a baseless attempt to make some invalid point about RAC. I again see that some posters are relentless in their emotion driven hate to the point of making up lies, shame on who ever has been a part of it. Where does this say RAC didn't decide who was going to be on his staff? Please folks because a poster makes something up that happens to be along your line of thinking doesn't make it fact. I sure hope that some of you would make an honest attempt to think for yourself, not parrot a lie..  Heres what Savage said about the subject!!!! Savage said that talk he is calling the shots on coaching changes is ``almost comical in a way.'' ``I've never had a coach come to me and say `This is what we are going to do' or `This is the play we are going to run.' The coaches don't report to Phil Savage, I promise you that,'' he said. ``Romeo is responsible for the coaching staff. Do I have some input or suggestions? Absolutely. Does he have input or suggestions to make when it comes to personnel, free agents or the draft? Absolutely. ``It's his coaching staff just like it's my scouting staff
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This comment was taken from the article Pdawg posted, and is basically what alot of us are saying. I'm sure Crennel has input on the coaching staff and players, the question is how much of that does Phil take to heart, and no article can tell us the answer to this question, because no one really knows what happens behind closed doors. Quote:
Savage, who has taken a much more active role in the coaching staff's makeup
Some of you guys seem to be trying to make this a right or wrong type issue, and there is no way it's that cut and dry. I think both sides to this discussion make sense to a degree, but I won't bash people on this subject since many different opinions can easily be formed.
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I recall hearing that the coaching staff liked DA better but again there was no clear cut winner.. so the competition continued until a starter had to be named. IMO.. Chuckie got the job for no reason other than he'd been the previous starter. I remember thinking that CF was not NFL starter material but was willing to let him grow into the job.. my son was flat out disgusted with CF and wanted him gone a long time ago..
No folks, I am NOT his son. Although I completely agree with your son, Saint.
I know I said last year after DA's starts that he looked like "more like a QB" than the other guy did.
In Peen's defense, I know he said the same thing too...I see his viewpoint in this whole argument but don't quite agree.
In RAC's defense, Mo was a friend, and it was the first time he's had to fire someone, it has to be hard to fire a friend. I don't know who was the main guy in the decision to hire Chud...but if it was Savage, I wouldn't mind him doing more of the hiring if Romeo stays as the "guy who keeps the troops focused" cuz IMO he's done a GREAT JOB of that this year...and it's more clear to see that when the team is winning, because I listen to the players and can tell nothing has gone to their heads. Humble pie my friends.
For all we know, Mike Nolan might be available to be our DC next year. If that's the case I definitely say "see ya" to Grantham.
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Two can play that little game..  Savage said that talk he is calling the shots on coaching changes is ``almost comical in a way.''
``I've never had a coach come to me and say `This is what we are going to do' or `This is the play we are going to run.' The coaches don't report to Phil Savage, I promise you that,'' he said. ``Romeo is responsible for the coaching staff. Do I have some input or suggestions? Absolutely. Does he have input or suggestions to make when it comes to personnel, free agents or the draft? Absolutely.
``It's his coaching staff just like it's my scouting staff.
Imput doesn't mean he's dictating but offering Rac suggestions..we can say that those suggestions include things that affect Rac's job and letting certain guys go help him and the team do better..
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What little game are you playing? I'm to old for playing games.
I don't disagree with what your saying BTW I see logic from both point of views. Again this isn't a right or wrong subject.
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U keep playing the middle yet there are posts that show made up crap..if Peen can show something that supports his view about Rac then fine..but he can't..it's all made up...
Fact..Rac did like Frye but Peen says the change was forced on him...
Fact Rac announced a QB battle...he gave both QB's the change to beat out the other..
If he didn't want anything to happen to Frye he would have never declared a QB derby..
See there is a right and a wrong..and there are things in the middle we'll never know..but some of this junk is made up..
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big....Is Savage "picking" Crennel's coaching staff?
Or, is Savage involved in helping Crennel shape the offensive coaching staff?
Savage, AS I SEE IT, is involved in helping Crennel shape the coaching staff. To think that Crennel has no say in picking his staff was crazy talk...unfortunately that's what some here are implying
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See there is a right and a wrong..and there are things in the middle we'll never know..but some of this junk is made up
I disagree. Unless we know the whole story (that includes the middle) there is no way in hell anyone of us can be right or wrong, the only thing we can do is make educated guesses.
I do agree things do get made up or blown out of proportion from both sides of this issue, and yes I am in the middle on this subject since it is complex, so I try to take in both sides and find reason. I don't see a need to be right or wrong, people who do that need there ego stroked, and I just like sharing opinions on a message board.
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if you make things up that are not true ..thats wrong..whether it's opinion or going along with another comment..thats got nothing to do with ego...
And I don't need my ego stroked by anything..
if I say Phil told Rac to yank Frye out of the game, and I don't have one source to back it up..whether it's internal or external ..and I'm just saying that because I don't think the guy is competent thats wrong..
I might as well admit I don't like him instead of making things to make him look like a moron.
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I don't see where I made anything up, I just make my opinion from what I see, so I think your addressing the wrong person, because again, I don't see where I made anything up.
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No, I was saying that others were saying RAC had "zero" input in decisions. Sorry for the miscommunication.
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Not you..I'm merely saying a general comment.
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I agree. RAC had zero say-so....real say-so in who is in charge of the O or what they run.
Heck...Romeo didn't really have any say so after game 1 on who was going to be QB....Chuck was his pick.
DA didn't just emerge out of thin air. He had to show something in camp.
My money says everyone but RAC wanted DA to start, and thus the fast exit of Chuck.
Shoot.....it wouldn't surprise me to find out Lerner or savage called RAC on the sideline of the Steeler game and told him to pull Chuck or be escorted from the field by stadium security........yes...that is a joke...t Savage knows Romeo is a good guy and has good qualities, but the guy has to be saved from himself.
Romeo is good at carrying out and following a plan. I don't think he is good at making a plan and is too loyal to his people. Friggen Mo Carthon would have still been coordinator here had RAC had his way.
Using your post as an example 'Peen.
Even if he completely sucks at choosing players and head coaches, and by all accounts the coaches and his decisions regarding players has been substandard during his tenure, if he's a good leader of men and can get the most out of them as a HC, then he's ok.
Having said that, Opie has indeed had to come in, fire RAC's coaches, and bring in his own hires. Most of the guys that RAC wanted were very poor choices for starters, and he further proved that he lacked the wherewithal to make the right decisions in that regard by stubbornly standing by his choices long after it was time to make a change. Then there's been his personnel and on-field decisions as well.
And Dman, playing the "Isn't he allowed to make some mistakes?" card isn't something I can accept, as he's made FAR more than his fair share of mistakes. Yes, he was a rookie HC and was allowed a little slack in the rope, BUT he's an old man by NFL coaching standards, and because of that, he shouldn't have had any problem choosing his coaching staff and making personnel decisions. He's been in the game FAR too long for that. I'd remind you that he was making dumb in-game mistakes well after his rookie season as a head coach, which is a primary reason why so many of us wanted him gone.
My point is that there's been far too much evidence to support the belief that he's not that good of a HC. Suddenly, we're 5-3, having beaten exactly ONE good team, and now people who've said RAC is a good coach have been proven correct?
Please.
It's popular around here to say that things take time. Go with the theory that you can't judge anything because of short-term results, yet in a very brief stretch against EXTREMELY inferior teams, we now can prove that RAC is a good coach, and that all his mistakes over the past couple of years are washed away? Sorry, not happening. Can't have it both ways.
The ONLY thing that's happened is that he's given people like myself reason for pause. He has NOT proven that he's a good head coach. Take a look around. Is the media talking more about RAC or more about Chud? Are the good things we're seeing because of RAC, or because of the moves that Opie has made? Are the moves RAC made in the past positively effecting what we're seeing on the field right now?
Hey, if RAC sucks at decision making (which has been horribly apparent) but can lead the team, then that's good enough, but going 5-3 against teams that are a combined 11 games under .500 doesn't suddenly make him a good coach. Butch Davis was 2 games over .500 at one point as well, and he was not a good head coach. So before people get too snotty, which some of you REALLY are, it's best to look at the big picture and judge based on his body of work. I still don't think RAC is a good head coach. The one thing that I felt he had going for him was that the players love him, and that's important. However, so is personnel and decision making.
Take a long look at Marvin Lewis. He's exactly like RAC, in that he's supposedly a defensive guru. If the Bengals hadn't been the laughingstock of the NFL for more than a decade, do we really think that Lewis wouldn't have been fired by now? His defenses have continously sucked during his tenure, and the offense has been the only thing saving his job. The only way RAC is proven to be a good head coach is if his team continues to develop AND we see a drastic improvement in his decision making. It's FAR too easy to point to a 5-3 record against mostly bad teams and claim victory. We're winning because of an offense that scores 30 every week, and recent history supports the theory that RAC had chosen Maurice Carthon and Charlie Frye. Last I saw, those guys are no longer with the organization. It's WAY too early to say RAC is good and that the doubters were wrong.
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Enlighten me a bit was this article to refute my comments or add to the responses?
I just posted it because we were revisiting the subject. I didn't reread the thread but I thought it might be useful to have the article posted because people tend to remember things differently.
My posting it had nothing to do with taking a side in the debate.
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Most of the guys that RAC wanted were very poor choices for starters, and he further proved that he lacked the wherewithal to make the right decisions in that regard by stubbornly standing by his choices long after it was time to make a change. Then there's been his personnel and on-field decisions as well.
Seems to me while I didn't like the choices , these guys were not the first ones the Browns wanted..Mo wasn't, and neither was Grantham..not sure about some of the other assistant coaches..
We visted the Mo thing and they gave him opportunities to adjust..he didn't ..they canned him..
Second I do feel Phil consults and advises Rac when something needs to be done ..he's tried to help the guy in every way he can..
I'd remind you that he was making dumb in-game mistakes well after his rookie season as a head coach, which is a primary reason why so many of us wanted him gone.
Name those and lets see if it was really him or the coordinators calling those shots.
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Now I ask this question I have seen post after post after post after post saying that PS basicly picked and hired RACS staff, andf they he had nothing to say about it. I even saw posts that said RAC wasn't much of a man to let PS kick him around and if he had a backbone he would resign, all kinds of carp.
I'm not sure if your comments are meant for me or not. I have never called for Romeo's head. I was critical of the whole QB competition, and I think I was right, even if I was wrong about the situation. 
The way it turned out, Frye was never equipted to run this offense. It had nothing to do with ability, smarts or heart. He simply didn't have the skill set. We should have traded Frye way back when we brought in Quinn. We could have brought in some vet who has an arm to run this style of offense to work in camp and help motivate DA (not that he needed motivation).
That has been my only gripe with RAC. He has made other mistakes (what coach doesn't) and I think Savage has stepped in to help Romeo out, not to undermind him. I believe Savage also is fairly loyal, and RAC just may have saved Opie's job back with the Collins brush up.
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Fact Rac announced a QB battle...he gave both QB's the change to beat out the other..
I actually remember Savage stating that. It was probably after RAC made the decision but Savage did mention it in a presser.
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Yes but I remember Rac saying after one of the games that Frye was injured...
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No, I was saying that others were saying RAC had "zero" input in decisions. Sorry for the miscommunication.
I qualified that statement with....real say so.
RAC didn't have much say in who we brought in as OC and I dare say RAC has little say in what happens on O other than decisions of going for it or punting.
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Most of the guys that RAC wanted were very poor choices for starters, and he further proved that he lacked the wherewithal to make the right decisions in that regard by stubbornly standing by his choices long after it was time to make a change. Then there's been his personnel and on-field decisions as well.
Seems to me while I didn't like the choices , these guys were not the first ones the Browns wanted..Mo wasn't, and neither was Grantham..not sure about some of the other assistant coaches..
We visted the Mo thing and they gave him opportunities to adjust..he didn't ..they canned him..
Second I do feel Phil consults and advises Rac when something needs to be done ..he's tried to help the guy in every way he can..
I'd remind you that he was making dumb in-game mistakes well after his rookie season as a head coach, which is a primary reason why so many of us wanted him gone.
Name those and lets see if it was really him or the coordinators calling those shots.
Even if I could name every single one, do you honestly believe we could determine if it was the coordinator or not?
I'm speaking primarily of his decision to stick by Carthon, and his decisions when it comes to in-game calls. Some of his decision to throw the flag were ludicrous. We remember not each call specifically, but that there WERE poor decisions.
He made some questionable calls. Trying to revisit each one in fine detail is impossible.....
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AD Thank you very very much, I have long been of the opinion that this making stuff up, on the part of the press, and posters to the boards has gone way to far. To this day people say that MC was fired, but nobody can prove factually that he was in fact fired. Now you can make up a lie and say he was fired but you have zero for fact, to back it up with. Now I realize that it's a twist and really isn't that important, but it's just the beginning when it comes to RAC, it's one twist after the other twist after the other. To make a point that he isn't a good coach. Opinion is fine, I don't like the guy will do, but the making stuff up crap shouldn't have ever gottin started, and for it to continue to this very day is not a reflection on RAC as a head coach, because they are lies. I would say it is more a reflection on a collection or liars that don't like RAC. Again if you have been a part of the making stuff up gang, shame on you. Thanks for laying it out AD, well done. 
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No Pdawg I wasn't pointing any fingers at you. I will say this though, as critical as fans have been about the coin flip, and CF being named the starter at the beginning of the season , it all worked out in the end, and perhaps it also helped make DA a better QB.
I respect opinion, but lies are another story. Not saying you lied pdawg, just making a statement. It's like this when it comes to RAC. During last weeks game, I hated the slow death approach we took with the defense, but the truth is that when we stopped blitzing and dropped guys into coverage we did give up yardage and points but no TD's. Now if you go off what happened in the 1st half, then just being able to stop Seattle and make them go for FG insteed of the TD's they were getting in the 1st half was an improvement. But RAC gets beat half to death over it, but the truth is #1 it is the exact defense the Browns played last year, and #2 it worked to the point where it allowed us to win. But posters slam RAC for the adjustments that where made at the half that brought about a win, sorry I don't get it!!
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Give RAC better talent and bet the house his decision making looks pretty good. It's easy to say that RAC made poor choices, and on the surface it may actually look that way, but it's less then honest for anyone not to admit openly that RAC had little chance to actually make good decisions because he had so little in the area of talent to work with. It's not about what you all think it is, by far the grade a caoch gets has way more to do with the talent he has to work with. That was and continues to be my point. Leave that part out, your not being fair minded. And you left it out, like most RAC haters do!
Take a look at Steve Marshall, if lets say that PS did hire SM, one can't help but wonder why in the hell he did it, after all wasn't Carr sacked like 69 times, and SM fired by Houston?? Now look he is the very same coach, and hey he is in charge of an O line that by all appearances is soon to be proclaimed one of the best O lines in the NFL. Now I ask if he was such a crappy coach in Houston how is he now by all appearances a great coach, You say poor decisions I say poor talent!!!
Leave that part out if you like but as the talent gets better so will the record, and hey to this point it sure does look like what I have been saying for Oh so long is dead on. Firing coaches does not improve the talent of a team, better players do that. Coaches can inspire and get the very most a player has to offer from him in terms of his talent, but no coach that I have ever seen or heard about can make up for a players lack of talent. To this day although we have improved we continue to suffer with the same problem, lack of talent, and firing RAC for the lies that have been made won't solve that problem, better talent will. Open your eyes folks it's there for you to see, this off season we made an all out effort to improve the talent on the line, and now we have one of the best lines and the offense is solid. You can credit Chud if you want, but I would bet my last dollar given the line we had here last year Chud wouldn't do any better.
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I get your point........but you don't get mine.
I see where you attempted to bridge the gap between poor talent and poor decision making, but the logic fails at that point. You can't say that better talent makes for a better decision maker. The perfect example? Mike Holmgren. He's going to into the HOF as a coach one of these days, and deservedly so. But he made a CRUCIAL screwup against us when he went for it on 4th and 1 in OT. He lost that gamble and he lost the game. So did better talent equal a good decision? Not one bit.
If you wish to argue with other people when it comes to talent and wins, feel free, as that was never my arguement. Mine stems from his poor choices in coaches and in-game decisions, and that has absolutely NOTHING to do with talent. My gripes have never been about wins and losses with RAC. I'd love to be able to pin the blame for our shoddy defense on him, if for no other reason than to be able to identify and fix a break in the machine. Yet his lack of talent precludes most of us from going that route. However, that has nothing to do with the mistakes he's made.
BIG difference.
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I understand what you are saying and I for lack of a better word toad have seen many a post making the LEEP. I think your actually right in some respects but I know that for instance last week. Hell NOBODY has even talked about it on these boards to my knowledge, but yet there it was. 4th and 1 1/2 2 yards we are on the Seattle 15, and RAC goes for it. Was it a great decision sure was!! Why was it a great decision. A: because it worked.
The idea that every single choice made by a HC is going to be the correct one is unrealistic. Has RAC made mistakes, bet your ass he has. So what, I expect it, and as a head coach manager, whatever there are always going to be those that 2nd guess what you do. But strange as this may sound to you, I would bet my last dollar had we not made that 4th down, RAC's ass would be half way out the door yet again. The point is I think/believe that a coach and a person should do what they think is best at any given moment, they should use their experience and knowledge to make those choices, and when it does work you move on, and when it don't work you take your lesson and move on. The talent issue won't go away if RAC where fired so I am against it. I won't bye into the lies that I have seen posted and some that I have seen in the papers. I try to be fair and honest, mostly honest when I 2nd guess someone. You may see me admit I was wrong. I will not jump sides of an issue, becuase it's what's popular. In other words the reasons all the fans supported the hiring of RAC to begin with still hold true for me to this day. Does that make me right, not exactly, but I think my view point is more realistic then others, I don't expect RAC to take a talent starved team to the SB, and some people won't settle for anything less, and will want RAC fired becuase of it.
I'll make you a bet right here and now that when the Browns season ends, be it in the playoffs or regular season. And no matter if the team actually exceeds any reasonable expectation, there are those that will blame RAC relentlessly, and that is just plain wrong. I am satisfied that RAC has gottin about as much from this team as could be gottin. Not only this year but last year and the year before. It is and continues to be fans unreasonable expectations that I become most upset with. It's not that I get to set the bar, it's just that say going into the season and looking back over lasts, the Browns were projected to have the 4th toughest schedule in the NFL and we had people saying that if this team didn't win 9 games they wanted RAC fired. Now based on our poor showing last year, how is that reasonable. As luck would have it some of the teams that where projected to be much better then they actually are this year landed on the Browns schedule, and as further luck would have it, the moves the Browns made in the off season in terms of up grades to the talent have come together more kwickly then we actually had a reasonable right to expect. So alot of things ahve actually worked out pretty good for the Browns, and so the record is better. But honestly looking at our schedule and going back to the start of the season who could honestly have expected what we have been blessed to have recieved. looking at the schedule I even asked fans to point out the games we would be favored in, in a fruitless attempt to show them that their expectations where unrealistic.
At the end of the day though bet your ass will hear the cries for RAC's head no matter how well this team does, and I think that sucks!!
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Opinion is fine, I don't like the guy will do, but the making stuff up crap shouldn't have ever gottin started, and for it to continue to this very day is not a reflection on RAC as a head coach, because they are lies. I would say it is more a reflection on a collection or liars that don't like RAC.
Prove it. You don't have any fact to back that up.
I think you are making stuff up.
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Here you go peen one of my absolute favorites here.
RAC had nothing to do with the defense in NE, he didn't develop, design, devise the game plan. In a word he was BB's goffer. Ever hear that one better yet did you ever say it.
I never said a word, when RAC said what his involvement was in the NE defense, but I knew that he was the man on defnse in NE. So when the question was asked heading into the NE game this year RAC's answer was I devised the game plan I decided who played and who did not play. I made the adjustments during the game and I called the game. And guess what peen I BET YOU ANYTHING you were one of the guys saying this LIE..
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RAC didn't have much say in who we brought in as OC and I dare say RAC has little say in what happens on O other than decisions of going for it or punting.
that's your opinion,, I can't agree with it.. My opnion is that RAC seems like a stand up guy not a push over and not a milk toast. I firmly believe that if Savage had relieved him of the decision making ability you describe, RAC would have left the team,, most MEN would!
It's simply inconceivable to me how people come up with this stuff... how does anyone of us really know what happened behind closed doors,, yet, we hear,,, Savage did this or RAC doesn't have authority to do that.... It's one thing to have opinions,, it's totally another to state stuff like this and call it fact...
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I don't think I ever said that.......maybe something in a similar vein, but not that.
Looks like his planning dropped off. The last few weeks we have gotten waxed in the first half yet came back in the second half to stop teams from scoring much more.
If the planning was better, we would stop them in the first half.
The fact we do or have stopped teams in the second half shows the talent isn't as bad as some want to think.
It gets back to what I have said about RAC.....he is good at running a plan, and is good at reacting in that he has the knowledge, but as far as the actual planning, he lacks.
At least D is his specialty seeing he was a defensive assistant for 25 or so years.
I am not going to rehash every point on RAC because if you and others haven't seen the problems as they unfold, you sure aren't going to believe a "liar" like me or others.
Does that ring a bell??
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RAC didn't have much say in who we brought in as OC and I dare say RAC has little say in what happens on O other than decisions of going for it or punting.
that's your opinion,, I can't agree with it.. My opnion is that RAC seems like a stand up guy not a push over and not a milk toast. I firmly believe that if Savage had relieved him of the decision making ability you describe, RAC would have left the team,, most MEN would!
It's simply inconceivable to me how people come up with this stuff... how does anyone of us really know what happened behind closed doors,, yet, we hear,,, Savage did this or RAC doesn't have authority to do that.... It's one thing to have opinions,, it's totally another to state stuff like this and call it fact...
Daman I'll tell you what you call it a LIE, it's just that simple. LIE! LIE! LIE!
Sorry Peen but I will not buy this even as an honest mistake it is what it is, and it is a LIE 
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There will always be the extremists on both ends. Some will always want RAC fired, some will never want him fired.
His call on 4th down was gutsy as Hell and it worked. He earned the credit for making the call, even though it was risky as hell. So there, it got mentioned *L*
In his defense, I'll repeat that his players play for him, and that's important. Now to the rest about his decision making, well, that remains to be seen.......
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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I firmly believe that if Savage had relieved him of the decision making ability you describe, RAC would have left the team,, most MEN would!
Yep......canning Mo was RACs decision without pressure from above.
Stupid me. 
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You said it not me. the LIAR thing that is. But thats the one and only truthful thing you have said until now, when it comes to RAC anyway...
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My opnion is that RAC seems like a stand up guy not a push over and not a milk toast. I firmly believe that if Savage had relieved him of the decision making ability you describe, RAC would have left the team,, most MEN would!
I think your gullable for believing that. Crennel is in a unique situation, he is a 1 of 32, he is an NFL head coach, a position he couldn't leave right now in Cleveland and regain somewhere else, at the time your speaking of and right now, Crennel holds little market value, and if he left he would end up in a DC position somewhere else making less money, so I doubt he would give up a fat paycheck, and quit when he wouldn't be compensated, that makes no sense, who in there right mind throws away millions of dollors .
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You pick up stalkers like no-one else on this board Peen.  
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Here is another one I have repeatedly seen. Prove that RAC was pressured, prove that MC didn't resign as it was reported by the Browns FO. Oh thats right you just told another *L*.
Sorry Peen I know your not the only guy here making stuff up, but honestly guy it's time to stop you want to question something, fine but making stuff up that you have not one sliver of hope to prove doesn't lend itself to making you look like an honest person more like the ... Well you get it. Try telling the TRUTH it usually is enough if your right..
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I think people calling you a liar are having comphrehension problems. Your doing nothing more then giving your opinion, I guess you need to state that before every post even though this is a message board, which I am pretty sure is set up so others can share opinions and ideas. Debating is one thing, but for people to start calling others liars is going over the edge, this isn't the end of the world were discussing a damn football coach.
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You pick up stalkers like no-one else on this board Peen.
I've noticed.
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