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Forget it.

There is no convincing Bubble Boy with facts.

Sadly you have no facts. Requiring a CCW or a waiting period when purchasing a firearm does not take away anyone's guns nor does it prevent the legal purchase of a firearm. Everything you post to the contrary is just BS.

The murder rate in the US was up 29% in 2020. It has risen another 9.9% in 2021. So in the last 2 years murder is up 30% in the US.

I don't think he is in a bubble. He voted for Brandon and now he has his head in the sand pretending all of the bad effects of this Presidency is not really happening.

I was actually attempting to poke fun at THROW's jank PC/browser.

Those are statistics and accurate. Now if you could only provide that same thing as to the cause it would be great. So far all you've done is point fingers with no facts to back it up.

And all you can do is say, "I said what I think without any evidence of why it is actually happening. I spout hot air so believe me!"

I think you missed one of my posts. I laid out specifics that have contributed to the rise in the murder rate.

Bail Reform
Criminal Justice Reform
Progressive Prosecutors lenient on violent crime
Defund the police and cuts in force and tactics.

We gonna take all dey guns! They are not smart enough to own guns. All republicans are fearful and unburdened by extensive education. Republicans are pedos, Gaetz will be going to jail. Republicans are insurrectionist, several will go to jail. Republicans treat women like chattel. See how all this unfounded info gets around? Obviously, all GOPers don't fit in the same box, but you think all dems and dem cities are just alike. This is what you guys and your fox talking points sound like 24/7. And even the station says you would be a fool to believe what they say. smh.

You laid those out as your opinions. No facts or sources that show proof of those claims.

As for bail reform that could certainly be a contributing factor. There are cases where violent offenders have been given little to no bail. But that's not usually the case. The vast majority of the time it's non violent offenders released without bail.

Criminal justice reform? Once again I ask you, can you show me anywhere that the sentencing guidelines have been reduced for violent crime?

Progressive prosecutors? Judges and juries decide the sentences, not prosecutors. Prosecutors use their conviction rate as a reason to be re-elected.

As for defunding the police? There are 384 metropolitan cities in America. 20 major cities have cut police budgets. So I guess you need to come up with a reason for the other 364.

You can blame Biden for that. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...n-1994-crime-bill-law-mass-incarceration

So you disagree with Day of The dog too. Thanks!

What? What's it like in your world? Biden wrote the bill that made mandatory sentences for certain crimes.

What goal post are you aiming at?

Let's recap shall we? Since it appears you weren't following along. Day has been saying murder and violent crimes are on the rise because democrats are soft on crime and lessening the sentences for violent crimes. Even though he's offered zero evidence in a change in sentencing guidelines to support that.

Your post says that Biden, the leader of the Democratic party is actually tough on sentences and increased sentences. Which indicates the opposite of what Day has been claiming. Hope you're all caught up now.

The judge sets the bond, not the prosecuter. If you want an example of libtard agenda in action, the criminal who mowed down the Christmas parade was given only a 1000 dollar bond after having a violent crime past.

Yes there are cases which that applies. But the vast majority of such cases are for non violent offenders.

The judge or jury also sets the sentence, not the prosecutor. I can't believe people are even trying to debate this? The prosecutor can give a reccommendation, but they have no power in setting the sentence.

No. you said you haven't seen sentencing decrease. I explained why, larry.

So you agree with me that sentencing hasn't decreased. Thanks again.

I explained to you WHY, but densenest must rule your brain.


Again, you change the goal posts, and topic. Little man disease got you down?

j/c

I just happened upon this during a news surf. It is an op-ed in the Columbus Dispatch written by the President of Ohio's Fraternal Order of Police:

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FOP president: Ohio lawmakers ignoring 'concerns of the men and women who keep your family safe'


Ohio lawmakers are working to remove the licensing and training requirement for people to carry a concealed weapon.
Some call it “constitutional carry,” and assert that the Second Amendment is all that’s needed for citizens to take a hidden gun out in public.
The reality is a bit more nuanced than that.
When the delegates met at Philadelphia during the sweltering summer of 1787, the task before the Constitutional Convention was almost insurmountable.
How, in the face of the revolution just fought, could a coalition of states unite and govern nationally when individual freedom and state sovereignty were paramount?


First, they cast the widest possible net for individual freedom. They attached a Bill of Rights, which didn’t lay out the rights given to citizens by the government, but rather reiterated the rights that belong to the people. The understanding was that the government must act in a way respectful of freedom and liberty. Second, delegates sought to limit national government power to certain defined areas like foreign policy and national defense. Third, the framers of the Constitution – and the states they represented – agreed to compromise. This is no minor point.

Fast-forward back to modern-day.

But it also takes seriously the government’s responsibility for public safety and, in that equation, it’s the ever-present compromise.

Under current law, to conceal-carry a gun in Ohio, citizens need a permit, which includes taking several hours of training.

People who receive a permit have responsibilities, like alerting police to the presence of a weapon during a traffic stop. The law has worked well.

The barrier to getting a permit is low, but public safety is preserved.

The system was negotiated carefully between gun rights advocates and organizations like the one I lead, which represent police and public safety. That collaborative process was good government at work.

Compromise is as extinct as the dinosaurs under Senate Bill 215.

Legislators don’t want to hear the concerns of the men and women who keep your family safe. They aren’t interested in the balance between public safety and individual freedom.


Ohio’s concealed carry law is a prime example of modern-day legislators following the example of the founders. It’s a clear nod to individual freedom, embedded in the gun rights of the Second Amendment as well as similar protections in the Ohio Constitution.

Ohio’s concealed carry law is a prime example of modern-day legislators following the example of the founders. It’s a clear nod to individual freedom, embedded in the gun rights of the Second Amendment as well as similar protections in the Ohio Constitution.

The 24,000 members of the Ohio Fraternal Order of Police are interested. Many police personally own guns, use guns recreationally, and strongly support the rights of law-abiding citizens to do the same.

However – because it keeps everyone safe – we support the current legal requirement for people to tell officers during a traffic stop or other interaction that they have a weapon in easy reach.

Gary Wolske
Wed, December 22, 2021, 4:44 PM
Brandy Jones takes a photo for Elyasha Smith for an identification card during a concealed carry weapons (CCW) license during an all-female CCW class at New Prospect Baptist Church Saturday, February 8, 2020.
Brandy Jones takes a photo for Elyasha Smith for an identification card during a concealed carry weapons (CCW) license during an all-female CCW class at New Prospect Baptist Church Saturday, February 8, 2020.
Ohio lawmakers are working to remove the licensing and training requirement for people to carry a concealed weapon.

Some call it “constitutional carry,” and assert that the Second Amendment is all that’s needed for citizens to take a hidden gun out in public.

The reality is a bit more nuanced than that.

When the delegates met at Philadelphia during the sweltering summer of 1787, the task before the Constitutional Convention was almost insurmountable.

How, in the face of the revolution just fought, could a coalition of states unite and govern nationally when individual freedom and state sovereignty were paramount?

More: Ohio Senate Republicans pass bill eliminating need for concealed carry permits

First, they cast the widest possible net for individual freedom.

They attached a Bill of Rights, which didn’t lay out the rights given to citizens by the government, but rather reiterated the rights that belong to the people. The understanding was that the government must act in a way respectful of freedom and liberty.

Second, delegates sought to limit national government power to certain defined areas like foreign policy and national defense.

Third, the framers of the Constitution – and the states they represented – agreed to compromise. This is no minor point.

Fast-forward back to modern-day.

More: Ohio Senate Republicans pass bill eliminating need for concealed carry permits

Ohio’s concealed carry law is a prime example of modern-day legislators following the example of the founders. It’s a clear nod to individual freedom, embedded in the gun rights of the Second Amendment as well as similar protections in the Ohio Constitution.

Amy Johnson of Mt. Auburn holds an unloaded 44 Magnum during a concealed carry weapon (CCW) class at New Prospect Church in Roselawn. Saturday, Feb. 8, 2020. 'We need to learn as women.. know I need knowledge on gun safety and gun laws'. Johnson said.
Amy Johnson of Mt. Auburn holds an unloaded 44 Magnum during a concealed carry weapon (CCW) class at New Prospect Church in Roselawn. Saturday, Feb. 8, 2020. 'We need to learn as women.. know I need knowledge on gun safety and gun laws'. Johnson said.
But it also takes seriously the government’s responsibility for public safety and, in that equation, it’s the ever-present compromise.

Under current law, to conceal-carry a gun in Ohio, citizens need a permit, which includes taking several hours of training. People who receive a permit have responsibilities, like alerting police to the presence of a weapon during a traffic stop. The law has worked well. The barrier to getting a permit is low, but public safety is preserved.

The system was negotiated carefully between gun rights advocates and organizations like the one I lead, which represent police and public safety. That collaborative process was good government at work.

Compromise is as extinct as the dinosaurs under Senate Bill 215.

Legislators don’t want to hear the concerns of the men and women who keep your family safe. They aren’t interested in the balance between public safety and individual freedom.

More: Retired police captain: Americans sick of 'complacency,' leaders must 'do something' about gun violence

The 24,000 members of the Ohio Fraternal Order of Police are interested. Many police personally own guns, use guns recreationally, and strongly support the rights of law-abiding citizens to do the same.

However – because it keeps everyone safe – we support the current legal requirement for people to tell officers during a traffic stop or other interaction that they have a weapon in easy reach.




Senate Bill 215 eliminates the need for concealed carry permits, training, the need to notify police, the duty that a licensee keeps their hands in plain sight, the requirement to carry documentation, and disallows an officer from detaining anyone with a firearm.

This isn’t putting public safety first and it’s not putting public safety officers first.

In 2020, Ohio sheriffs suspended or revoked 2,047 licenses. Over 1,700 license applications were denied. The system works. Those who believe they’ve been wrongfully denied gun rights can appeal the decision. In the meantime, bad people with bad intentions are restrained.

Our founders got it right in 1787.

Their model has stood the test of time and history. The Ohio Fraternal Order of Police strongly urges legislators to look to the founders’ model. Maximize individual freedom.
Put public safety first. Reject Senate Bill 215.


Gary Wolske is the president of the Fraternal Order of Police of Ohio, an organization that represents 24,000 members law enforcement from across the state.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fop-president-ohio-lawmakers-ignoring-110705159.html

I'm not a fan of the bill. But it's mainly the sections about protecting politicians and corporations from liability that irk me. That and the standard legalese where they use 50 billion words and umpteen references instead of simply spelling things out in simple sentences is rather annoying, too. It'd be harder to bury things and make loopholes otherwise I suppose.

And the "why" is the opposite of what Day was saying. Poor arch, caught in his own web and showing his class.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-settlement-gunmaker-remington-rcna16274

Remington has settled with victims of Sandy Hook. Not many details out there yet.

Better go take a shower Pit because Dude you are full of crap.

So in other words, no, you can't and this is all you got. Thanks for playing. Judges hand down the sentences, period.