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Well, I’ll say this. I don’t believe, with out knowing the exact play called, the blocking assignment, the hot reads, or any of the other couple of dozen moving parts that go into a successful play, that a person can assign the blame to any player. (Barring the obvious of dropping a pass that is in the hands, dropping the ball when waiting to throw, falling down when running, etc.)

As a fan, all I can do is root for who is on the team, because my opinions on players capabilities don’t make a whit of difference in real life.

I already explained that in another post but I'll summarize it yet again. The odds of winning in the NFL game when having three turnovers or more is just above 10%. It's nonsensical for a team to throw three int's and expect to win a game. And 50 and 60 yard drives indicate you had the ball on the 50 yard line and 40 yard line respectively. I hope you're not trying to indicate those are good things.

The reason I posted my comment was also to show just how much those int's impacted the scoreboard which no matter how you spin it can not be denied.

Actually they blame the loss on the blown call by the officials. Accept for some people. Many do however place the blame on us being in that situation at the end of the game on the previous three int's Baker threw.

How Turnover Margin Affects Win Probability and Win Totals in the NFL

The importance of turnovers

In a study conducted by the Harvard Sports Analysis Collective, it was found that a team that wins the turnover margin in a game wins 69.6 percent of the time. To demonstrate the relative strength of turnover influence, home teams won “just” 57.2 percent of all games in the same sample. The effect is compounding as well, as teams that won the turnover margin by two or more won 83.9 percent of the time, and 90.7 percent of the time when winning the margin by three or more.

https://www.covers.com/nfl/turnover-margin-and-betting

I made a mistake when I posted to DC that teams with a negative three a turnover margin have a slightly more than a 10% of winning. It's actually less than a 10% chance.

Yet we had 4 Int's against Baltimore and still lost. Can't be too many instances of that happening. Unbelievable.

As shown by the link above, it happens less than 10% of the time.

Everything that happened before the last pick was overcome...we were in position to have a chance at winning that game...that's the reality...and the refs took that away from us. Plain and simple.

j/c...

Quite the graph. Sheesh.

Yet the statistics show that less than 10% of teams that have three or more turnovers actually win the game. And I think you may have overlooked what I said because you seem so upset. I plainly stated that the reason we lost the game was a blown call by the refs. And most every broadcaster and sports news outlet across the country reported on that. My point was really not much different than yours. The only real difference here is that you're trying to make it seem that three int's had no real bearing on the game. All evidence to the contrary is out there for anyone to see.

You see, I'm not blaming Baker for that last int. That was a call that cost us the game by the officials. I don't think there's any real doubt about that. I'm also not absolving Baker of us spending almost the entire second half trying to overcome the mistakes he made in the first half. But obviously some people will.

Baker Mayfield’s wife Emily posts that Browns’ quarterback received death threats via social media after loss to Packers

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Baker Mayfield’s wife, Emily, revealed on her Instagram story Tuesday that her husband received death threats after the Browns’ 24-22 loss to the Packers — on Christmas Day.

Mayfield threw a career-high four interceptions in Green Bay as the Browns fell to 7-8, and many fans jumped off the bandwagon.

Others apparently went too far.

“It’s crazy how much negativity is amplified via social media,” Emily posted on her Instagram story, which disappears after 24 hours. “I’m still a believer that there’s more good people out there than bad, but WOW does social media make me think otherwise sometimes. Which plays into why I love to spread positivity. Our world needs more of it.

“The death threats, lies being told about my husband, and blatant DISRESPECT never ceases to amaze me. For the record — I pray for those of you who even think those thoughts, let alone type them out. I hope you can find some happiness so you stop trying to steal it from others.”

The Browns, who face the 7-7-1 Steelers in Pittsburgh on Monday Night Football, still have chance to win the AFC North if they win that game and beat the Bengals on Jan. 9 in Cleveland.

They’ll need some help from their AFC North rivals -- all of whom have division title opportunities -- to pull it off. If the 9-6 Bengals loseto the 11-4 Chiefs and the 8-7 Ravens lose to the 11-4 Rams on Sunday, the Browns control their playoff destiny and can win the division by winning out.

If the Bengals beat the Chiefs, however, they’ll clinch the AFC North, and the Browns would need a miracle to earn a wild-card spot.

But Mayfield knows he must play better for the Browns to have a chance.

“I don’t think it was anything preparation-wise, mentally, it was just missed throws, uncharacteristic and I hurt this team,’’ Mayfield said after the game. “That’s the most frustrating thing for me because I felt this defense played tremendous against a really, really good offense, but when you turn the ball over on your own territory in the red zone and around midfield and give them extra opportunities, they’re going to take advantage of it, it’s who they are.’’

Mayfield attributed his two interceptions on passes intended for Donovan Peoples-Jones to illegal contact, but the other two to bad passes.

“I expect myself to make those throws tonight and I hurt this team,’’ he said.

Afterwards, some trolls apparently tried to hurt Mayfield in return.

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/20...media-after-the-loss-to-the-packers.html

Death threats to a QB for losing a game? Deplorable.

With fans like that, it's no wonder there is talk of a mutual splitting of the ways between BM and the Browns org. Shameful.

Just so I am clear myself, because I read your post differently than I see interpreted elsewhere: Are you trying to absolve Baker form any responsibility for his performance? Are you saying the other 3 interceptions had no bearing on the game? I didn't think that's what you wrote or meant, maybe I misunderstood?

And just a general comment .... if the last interception was not on Baker because of PI that wasn't called - then the first interception where DPJ was clearly bear hugged on his route also isn't on Baker.

This is from the play by play at NFL.com

Pass Incomplete
(:59) (Shotgun) B.Mayfield pass incomplete short right to D.Njoku [R.Gary].
1st & 10 at 50

It was first and 10 from the blue line. The interior of the pocket had just been pushed backwards 6 yards.