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Yeah Baker was just as accurate with a torn labrum. I think it's going to be hard to keep giving Schawrtz hell when the most TD's by any WR was three last season. But you do you.

One of the weirder takes on here, considering it was Schwartz's lack of playmaking and inability to adjust (to the pass in the air) that led to the INT which led to Baker injuring his shoulder.

Swish said, Part of Schwarts struggle was being thrown in the fire very early.

Well, in 1999 Kevin Johnson was a rookie Wr and he had a much better first year. I don't think Schwartz was thrown into anything any earlier than Kevin Johnson was in 1999.

But the Browns, on offense, have to use their players, if they don't 'want' to use wrs instead of te's then they won't 'use' wrs more than te's.

So if the torn labrum affected Bakers accuracy , and accuracy is what makes Baker "Baker"
Then what was the point of running Mayfield out there week after week.?
Thats right , Baker had to show the NFL world how "tough" he was.
But back to Schwartz , explain.to me how he was only able to manage a mere 10 catches
In a offense tailored to get the ball into WRs hands within 2.3 seconds and allowing him
To.get YAC?
Anyone waiting for Schwartz to.blossom are the same ones that waited for Paul Hubbard
And Travis Wilson to do the same

Schwartz wets his pants when it's time to go over the middle.he is mentally and physically brittle

Players always want to play. Its up to the coach to decide if that's a good idea or not, based on what the player can and cannot do. Its disingenuous to claim it was Baker's decision whether he played or not, when it was clearly Stefanski's.

I originally typed in wimpy, but deleted it...lol

Those don't fit.

Takes 3 years, but the Browns start over every three years, so we have yet been able to judge.

As far as other teams, I think it helps when other teams have bonafide WR core that, and your rookie isn't expected to be the WR1 out of the gate.

As far as Jamar Chase coming out of the gate, him and Burrows played together in college, so there was already chemistry. And I think a lot of things just went right for Cinci this year.

Chase was also a high-first round pick. Schwartz... was not. Expectations should be adjusted accordingly (and no, I don't know why we were dialing up so many plays for him while Higgins was struggling to crack the lineup.

He is an NFL football player, I think he already knows how to work out.
He's just not the best guy on the team, if they want to spend time developing one player pick Demetric Felton, he has more promise.
I don't know how Schwartz the 53rd man on the roster gets such a thread on dawgtalkers, when so many others have shown to be better players.

Kevin Johnson was the first pick of the second round, #32 pick. Schwartz was the 91st overall pick.

GM - I have all the respect in the world for you, but please do not soil this board with Pitts-speak like "yinz"

That means nothing. Edit: I should rephrase or explain that.
It only has meaning in what the team did, ie. in how and when the team made a pick choice, but as far as the players, and their play it doesn't have any meaning.

Well not to you but most people understand that higher rated players are drafted earlier. It costs more to sign them too. I understand your confusion here.

Y'all got it.

I agree on expectations. I mean Schwartz is faster than Jerry Rice was, so shouldn't he be better?

As for Higgins, he has always been is some coaches dog house for whatever reason. I don't know why, but given the consistency of his playing time from one coach to the next, there seems to be something.

Higgy probably isn't going to be on next years team and isn't going to be hard to replace.

I agree on sprinter build, but I also think some of that is genetic. Schwartz is just a skinny guy who likes to ride roller-coasters.

I am not writing the guy off at this point, but I don't expect him to change his body type without hindering his speed.

It is still early in his career. There is no reason to not hope he can get better.

Agreed.
He hasn't shown much at all, yet, but he has all the athleticism you could want.
If he's intelligent and coachable, he can be taught techniques and refine his abilities.

The only question then would be How hard is he willing to work? Who is he willing to out-work?

I'm not holding my breath with him. I did not see any glimpses of a player, I think he was a swing and a miss.

I see that side of things as well. This year will tell if it was a miss or some degree of hit.

I'm leaning this way as well. He stopped routes leading to interceptions and doesn't battle for the ball. You can't coach competetitiveness and drive, and he didn't show a whole lot.

Might be fair trade bait. Didn't see him as a reliable go-to in the clutch. Since we do, indeed, clutch a lot and often, I don't want him out there with a game riding on him. We may not be able to do better than this, but I do feel we need better than this.

Based on what you are saying it doesn't sound like there is much to trade. I think our best hope is he gets better.

Been hoping. Just changing what I am hoping for. Keeping him in my thoughts. <G>

Schwartz had a golden opportunity last year to.step up with issues at WR last year.
And failed to do so. If the Browns add 2 to 4 new WRs via draft , free agency, signing undrafted
WRs after the draft, then Schwartz is a candidate to get cut.
He was nothing really special at Auburn. He wasnt even a top 10 WR in the SEC.
He was a severe reach by Berry.

I can't argue against.

Agree 100 percent. With him, his intelligence could hurt the team. His deep in route where he stopped and caused Baker to give up a pick----smart, he didn't get his clock cleaned, but sure hurt the team AND he lost Baker after that. So, JMHO, I'd give him fly routes and sideline outs, something he's willing to run or get rid of him. Go Browns!!!

The other side of that is a QB needs to protect his receiver. You see the good QB's throw it low in heavy traffic so the receiver can curl up and catch it more in to the body rather than throw it 2 feet over the receivers head where he has to reach up to catch the ball.

Catch the ball or not, no receiver likes to go over the middle to become a human tackling dummy.

Yep. He has had time to learn how to swim. Now it is sink or swim.

The Browns have a history of drafting WRs who provide little
It no impact on their rookie years. WRs drafted in RD 3 or higher
Are expected to.come in and contribute
You dont draft wait and see WRs in.RD 3.'
Enough of them have come down the pike in recent memory
Paul Hubbard, Travis Wilson, etc.
I can the Browns drafting a Velous Jones of UT or even a David Bell
Of Purdue and that would really put Schwartz on notice

He should be better in his 2nd year, but he also shouldn't be anything other than depth. I will never understand giving him the meaningful snaps we did in the beginning of last year.

I'm guessing that they kept seeing things in the low-contact practices that intrigued them enough to keep trying things in games, but it never really panned out.
That, or kinda like when a manager keeps moving an employee around to try to find something they're good at rather than firing them, they may have just been continually trying different ways of getting him in there to see what he can do without sitting on the sidelines. Afterall, at a certain point, we just needed bodies at the WR position, and he at least filled that role.

We had OBJ, DPJ, and Landry. Schwartz was drafted to be our number 4 receiver and potential big money guy replacement down the road. 4th receiver on a team that runs a lot of 2TE sets probably doesn't get a ton of first team reps in camp. Reps aren't nearly as abundant in season especially with a QB with a bad shoulder. Throw in a midseason concussion and he was a bit behind the 8ball. Throw in the fact OBJ talked his way out of town (so discontent in his WR room) and our OTs and QB were mangled, and that's probably not the best situation for a rookie field stretching receiver. Throw in the fact he was coming from an Auburn team that was not exactly known for producing NFL ready receivers.

Give the guy a chance. It's way too soon to consider giving up on him. Hopefully our WRs and QB can find a way to build some chemistry this offseason despite Baker rehabbing the shoulder.

That's how it works these days. We now live in a microwave society. If it isn't ready in three minutes or less, it's expendable.