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I.think those Bengals WR tandems had more than a couple years runs together
Was Owens at the end of his career much like Ocho when the Bengals let them walk?
I thought Chris Henry died too?

I.believe any team that loses their franchise QB for any amount of time would
Probally endure more losses than wins. If Herbert was lost to injury the Chargers
They would lose more than win.

Thats the thing about Baker. If he is lost to a injury , is there really a dropoff at this point?
It's not like the Browns offense runs through him.

If you build a team correctly, you will get something like Philly had when Wentz went down and Foles took the team to the Superbowl. Yes, it's rare. BUT, I think it should be the goal.

I think the magic bean of winning consistently for many years in the NFL is controlling salary. One key ingredient is drafting well. Second, having a well-defined offensive and defensive scheme. This means no matter who the HC, OC, DC, or ST you are moving the team in one direction. Lastly, hire coaches who do well developing.

As for QBs, look no further than the AFCN. Pittsburgh and Baltimore win no matter who is the QB. They both had great, good, and average QBs. Yet, they consistently win. They draft QBs other teams questioned and evolve them into a contender. One additional thing they do well is they don't chase trends. No matter what they have a strong run game and strong defense. Cincinnati has a similar agenda but they believe in a passing offense and an above-average defense.

You can look at New England. Yes, Tom Brady was the exception. Even when Tom was there they stayed consistent having a balance of talent on both sides of the ball. They added Mac Jones who many analysts thought lacked certain skills. Let us see what Belichick does to replace McDaniels.

I think Cleveland has lacked this ideology since Paul Brown left. The Browns have never been consistent as a franchise. They flip between being a running team to a passing team. High-powered offense over the defense and visa versa. Cleveland has always chased the Holy Grail.

For the first time in a long long time, Cleveland has actually ventured out to do something original with the hiring of Paul DePodesta. They are setting parameters that are not the normal trend. So far, we are seeing results in the draft. Seeing players like JOK and Delpit fall to them in the second round. This means they are getting high-quality talent other teams don't see.

Let's see what Cleveland does with Baker and their receiver group. It's the last piece of the puzzle they haven't solved fully.

I think 2022 could be a do or die year for Stefanski. I would not be surprised if the Browns
Missed the playoffs, fired Stefanski and hired Sean Payton as HC.
Stefanski's offense is limited as far putting points on the scoreboard.
Stefanski's whole plan is to win games 20-17 , 17 -13, or 23 10.

What the Browns lack is that ability to be able to win in any of the 3-phases
Of the game when the moment calls for it.

Pittsburgh consistently won when Bradshaw and Ben were the qb's. I don't remember them winning very consistently when they trotted out Bubby Brister, Mark Malone, Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox in between the HOFer's.

Since 1970, Pittsburgh had 9 losing seasons 1970, 1971, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1991, 1998, 1999, and 2003. There were several .500 seasons in there too.

This made me curious, so I actually looked back at the record. I overlooked Neil O'donnell, who strung together 4 winning seasons, 3 of double digits. I honestly don't remember him being that good, just him throwing that INT in the Superbowl. Looks like there were 7 losing seasons in the 20 between Bradshaw and Ben.

Well you can bank on the top 4 or 5 QB's all rising and being selected much higher than where they were forecast before the college season ended. Pretty sure the year Goff and Wentz came out Goff and Wentz were initially considered *possible* mid 1st round picks at the end of the college season and then went #1 and #2? Paxton Lynch was a 2nd or 3rd round forecast and went last in the 1st too.

They are in the Super Bowl. Do you think they are fretting that we swept them? Or that they lost to Detroit?

It's especially limited to putting points on the board when Baker has a torn labrum.

We have one option and I'm fine with him especially being healthy ... Baker Mayfield GO BROWNS!!!

Jimmy G to Indy...

I’d take Wentz as a guy to push Baker.

I like this idea.

why? that would be a disaster.

I tend to agree. Either replace Baker with a FA (or trade) that you think will be streets better. Trade up in the draft if you believe there is a FQB there to be had at a cost that is acceptable. Or roll with Baker - back him 100% to thrive or whither on the vine. Don't introduce a so-so back up that just brings controversy if Baker has a slow skid.

If your QB is afraid of the backup then you don’t have a QB.

It would be more of a disaster if we keep Baker and he sucks again and we have no contingency plan.

Case is the contingency plan.

bringing in Wentz without trading Baker would be an unnecessary QB controversy all offseason, and lead to spectacular disaster. if the QB we bring in isn't better than Baker, then there's no point making lateral moves. it's self-inflicted drama. if Baker is gonna start next season, then let it be Baker or bust. but if we trade for a QB that can start week 1, it better be for someone who's a clear upgrade, which means we also traded Baker away.

the reality of Wentz and Baker being on same team would tell me that the season will end with a losing record a complete overhaul of the roster, sadness and depression inflicted once again on the fanbase.

which is something the browns are most certainly capable of, so they'll probably do exactly that.

Keenum isn’t going to be on the team and is terrible.

as is Wentz...

If Wentz was someone that you could make a legit claim could be 'the guy', then fine. I don't see how anyone could craft that argument, though.

Wentz is much better than Keenum. Wentz makes some boneheaded plays but also makes plays few QBs in the league can make. Keenum has a noodle arm and poor decision making with no mobility.

Are we looking for our backup to be a backup, or to push to be QB1 (essentially creating a lukewarm competition)?

If we're looking for a backup, then it should be a guy that "won't lose you games". That's been Keenum so far... and that's NOT Wentz.

If we're looking for the latter, then I'll say you can do better than Wentz, and I'll leave it at that.

not saying Keenum is better than Wentz. Saying Wentz is average at best.

Hell - the Colts just traded for the guy and now 1 year later are thinking of cutting him. Yeah - that's who the Browns need.

As a backup and potential starter because Baker stinks up? I’ll take him over Keenum every time. Wentz raises the ceiling of the team.

We should be looking for a guy who can play the rest of the season if Baker sucks again.

He also lowers the floor, though. Look at what happened down the stretch this year. And if Baker sucks again, I wouldn't want to turn to a guy with an injury history like Wentz. If you're looking for that guy (make the decision mid-season that Baker's not the guy and have someone to plug in), then I think there are better options out there (Garrapolo, for example).

In sitting and watching that Superb Owl here and there last night, I did not see a single throw Baker can't or won't make - and hasn't made a dozen times. I didn't see a single bit of pocket awareness or "escape-ability" that he doesn't possess.
On multiple occasions last night, I watched whichever QB it was on-screen at the time and imagined it was Baker with the goal of "could he do that?". Not once was it even questionable. We already have a QB that can do anything that either of the two Super Bowl QBs put on display..... if that isn't good enough to win us a Super Bowl (and it was good enough for one of them to win one), then what is it we're actually looking for??

Each one of them benefitted massively from their receiving targets. Several catches were simply the QB throwing the ball out there willy-nilly and the WR making a spectacular play (and at least one INT by Stafford was that, too).



p.s. How much trash is Burrow for not leading that 4th Qtr comeback drive and flubbing that 4th down pass? The Bengals should probably cut him, eh? Dude will never amount to anything...

Garoppolo isn’t going to be anyone’s backup.

I would not agree with this, at all.

Mine was a general reply; take it however you want, but it wasn't directed at anyone specifically.

As our starter? No. As a backup? Yes.