I want to hear from the Trump faithful defend these statements from Trump.
It just goes to show you Bolton was 100% right when he said Ukraine would have already been invaded if Trump had won the last election. All this talk of Democrats being 'commies' and here we have Trump being Russia's lap dog.
4:55 - nails it.
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The more things change the more they stay the same.
i remember when Trump stood right next to Putin in Helsinki and took his word over his own intelligence community.
i swear to god America was the epitome of a Beta male the entire 4 years under Trump. and that specific incident made so many people embarrassed to be an american. even Fox news couldnt defend the clown over that.
and once again, you're starting to see people on the right praise Putin for being a "strong" leader, just like they tried to claim when Obama was president. so of course it makes perfect sense why the right is so obsessed with Trump being the beckon of their ideology.
people rather be intoxicated by the idea of strength than actual strength. the idea of leadership over actual leadership.
bro did you see the articles/clips of Putin's address over Ukraine and the breakaway regions?
this dude is clearly off his rocker. its like i said before, this is it for him. he's all in with his crazy ass plans for a renewed soviet Union. and guys like Tucker Carlson and the clowns that watch him defend this nonsense every chance they get. so ofcourse clowns like Trump always get excuses made for them; conservatives clearly want authoritarian style leadership. conservatives clearly want to be ruled with an iron fist. they want to be told what to do by one dude.
thats the only way they can justify excuse after excuse when it comes to guys like Trump. they REALLY believe in their hearts trump was sent by God to rule.
there's no reasoning with people like that. this is why i've stated before that if NATO has to respond with military action, don't stop at just defending Ukraine. go ahead and bomb the crap out of the kremlin, destroy the russian military and leave. dont bomb civilians, or infrastructure, or any of that. destroy Putin and the kremlin, and let the eU decide what to do with Russia after that.
guys like Trump and Putin is what happens when you lets people do whatever they want with no consequences. i've already stated my reasonings for why action should be taken if we have to defend Ukraine. now throw in another reason: cause it will make Trump and his delusional ass supporters depressed. it shows trump and the right that we won't tolerate totalitarian regimes and wanna be dictators. and im here for it.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Really? Inconceivable? Are you sure about that word usage?
WTF have you been these last 10 years? Have you not heard of this guy before?
As President of The United States of America, this- "person" sat in front of the entire world on a stage in Helsinki, Finland... and punk'd his nation's entire intelligence community in favor of that a short, pasty, ex-KGB autocratic boss of a second-rate almost-world player.
These comments should have come as no surprise to anyone.
One man's "inconceivable" is another man's "totally predictable," I suppose-
Language can be a funny thing.
You have to look at the greater context. Is it inconceivable that Trump said this? No. Predictable, like you said.
Is it inconceivable that a guy like this has a legit shot to get re-elected in 2024 when he comes out with comments like this and the ones you mentioned. To me, yes.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
have you LISTENED to his comments, or just read them?
In just reading them, it sounds terrible, obviously.
In LISTENING (that spelled right?), it is obvious there is sarcasm. With an open mind (and I know trump haters can't do this), LISTEN to his words, don't read them.
He's saying basically putin was genius for going around accepted rule of nations by saying "we are going in to the independent areas as an act of ...
But I know.............not one damn thing trump has ever done matters to the haters. Is trump a good person? No, by his personal life.
In fairness to your point, it was from reading them, across multiple news sources. So, after reading your post, I listened to the audio. It’s not obvious there is sarcasm.
Call me a “hater.” That’s fine. I happen to think - maybe inaccurately - that I am one of the more objective posters on this board. Are there people on this board who would rip him unfairly for everything, and claim he could do no good no matter what? Yes. However, other posters who I regard as intelligent, patient, and objective have seemingly come to the same conclusion regarding him and his actions. I rarely let my emotions get the better of me, but this action by former and prospective president had me pretty angry. I don’t talk about him nearly as much as others on this board, but this had me going.
I think most people can agree Trump is terrible in his personal life, but I would also argue that he was a bad president. Did he do some good things? Yes, he did. I just talked about how I thought his policy on waking up NATO was a good one. There are too many other things he has done though, which I have mentioned as nauseous before on other threads. His relationship with Putin being what I have said to be a top concern of mine.
Oh, and I realize there are “haters,” but there are also excuse-makers and apologists.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
I am sure Trumps words will be aired over Russian State TV - endlessly - as an endorsement. It's sick.
We already know that folks like Tucker and Hawley are played on Russian TV as supporters of Trump.
For all the fake outrage at Canada/Trudeau , Democrats ... we've got Trump and Fox News shilling for Putin and people are fine with it.
good lord what a bunch of cowards.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
bro wtf am i scrolling through fox news and seeing all these clowns thinking this is an "energy" war?
does the right really think Putin's actions have to do with oil and gas? these clowns on fox news talking about fracking and all this nonsense.
im sorry, but damn conservatives are freaking brain dead. that is simply bait the kremlin is tossing out to these clowns, and they've bought it hook, line and sinker. they really think oil and gas is the DRIVING force of this.
i just cant anymore with conservatives. they really dont live in the same reality as everyone else.
this is LITERALLY the same as the right going "the civil war wasnt about slavery, it was about state rights"
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
oh no, gas prices!!! how can we do the right thing if i cant fill up my 26 gallon pick up truck with 87 fuel?!!!! THE HORROR
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Your problem swish is that tucker crafts his commentaries for his knowledgeable and intelligent audience. You need to stick to those lying looney lefties on those other two networks. They are more your speed. You swallowed their lies for four years so stick with them. They need someone besides their families to watch them. lol!!
Your problem swish is that tucker crafts his commentaries for his knowledgeable and intelligent audience. You need to stick to those lying looney lefties on those other two networks. They are more your speed. You swallowed their lies for four years so stick with them. They need someone besides their families to watch them. lol!!
You mean this Tucker.https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/greedy-associates/tucker-carlson-successfully-argues-nobody-really-believes-tucker-carlson-is-reporting-facts/
gtfooh.
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The more things change the more they stay the same.
Your problem swish is that tucker crafts his commentaries for his knowledgeable and intelligent audience. You need to stick to those lying looney lefties on those other two networks. They are more your speed. You swallowed their lies for four years so stick with them. They need someone besides their families to watch them. lol!!
lol what? tucker told his 'knowledgeable and intelligent audience' that hungary is the new mecca for right wing thought.
i dont know what you want me to do with that except laugh.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
have you LISTENED to his comments, or just read them?
In just reading them, it sounds terrible, obviously.
In LISTENING (that spelled right?), it is obvious there is sarcasm. With an open mind (and I know trump haters can't do this), LISTEN to his words, don't read them.
He's saying basically putin was genius for going around accepted rule of nations by saying "we are going in to the independent areas as an act of ...
But I know.............not one damn thing trump has ever done matters to the haters. Is trump a good person? No, by his personal life.
In fairness to your point, it was from reading them, across multiple news sources. So, after reading your post, I listened to the audio. It’s not obvious there is sarcasm.
Call me a “hater.” That’s fine. I happen to think - maybe inaccurately - that I am one of the more objective posters on this board. Are there people on this board who would rip him unfairly for everything, and claim he could do no good no matter what? Yes. However, other posters who I regard as intelligent, patient, and objective have seemingly come to the same conclusion regarding him and his actions. I rarely let my emotions get the better of me, but this action by former and prospective president had me pretty angry. I don’t talk about him nearly as much as others on this board, but this had me going.
I think most people can agree Trump is terrible in his personal life, but I would also argue that he was a bad president. Did he do some good things? Yes, he did. I just talked about how I thought his policy on waking up NATO was a good one. There are too many other things he has done though, which I have mentioned as nauseous before on other threads. His relationship with Putin being what I have said to be a top concern of mine.
Oh, and I realize there are “haters,” but there are also excuse-makers and apologists.
No offense to you, because you are one of the more even-keeled posters here, but I think you're in denial. If you listened to that and didn't see (hear) that it was 100% sarcasm, it's because you're trying not to.
Quick question: If Trump is endorsing these actions, and none of this is sarcasm, why does he say (more than once IIRC) "this would have never happened on my watch"? Doesn't take much critical thought to come up with the answer.
was that sarcasm, too? lemme guess, Fate. thats different.
again, even if the rest of the world believed you, do you not see the problem with the fact that nobody can take a former POTUS seriously?
and to answer your question, even though you're talking to 05, why would Putin do anything the last 4 years when trump did all the work for him? from undermining NATO, to taking Putin's side over american intelligence communities, to disrespecting our european allies.
you seem to be in denial of the fact that Putin is doing this now because the US, EU, NATO, and other allies are showing a unified front against him that didn't happen under Trump the last 4 years. Finland wasn't talking about joining NATO under Trump. now they are. Germany was fence riding the entire 4 years when it came to Russia. now they're firmly on our side against Putin.
i mean...its almost as if you guys prefer tyranny and chaos over allies and cooperation. hope i'm wrong about that.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Your problem swish is that tucker crafts his commentaries for his knowledgeable and intelligent audience. You need to stick to those lying looney lefties on those other two networks. They are more your speed. You swallowed their lies for four years so stick with them. They need someone besides their families to watch them. lol!!
The same knowledgeable and intelligent audience who - by his attorneys’ own words - should not believe what he says.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
I'm not in denial of anything. I'm not a shill for Trump. I'm merely judging one incident on it's merit and substance. The whole liberal media is painting a picture with crayons. You can take it at the headline's face value, or listen for yourself. If you listen, and walk away thinking it wasn't sarcasm, that's on you.
bro wtf am i scrolling through fox news and seeing all these clowns thinking this is an "energy" war?
does the right really think Putin's actions have to do with oil and gas? these clowns on fox news talking about fracking and all this nonsense.
im sorry, but damn conservatives are freaking brain dead. that is simply bait the kremlin is tossing out to these clowns, and they've bought it hook, line and sinker. they really think oil and gas is the DRIVING force of this.
i just cant anymore with conservatives. they really dont live in the same reality as everyone else.
this is LITERALLY the same as the right going "the civil war wasn't about slavery, it was about state rights"
I can't say I have seen the news that you are writing about, but I think it has been implied from the very beginning that fossil fuel supply is a major component in any conflict with Russia. There are powerful corporate interest in Russia (Gazprom) and competitors to those corporate interests. Those corporations are going to lobby for there own interests. It is not a coincidence that nearly every foreign conflict, with the exception of Afghanistan, that the U.S. has intervened in was of strategic importance to players in the supply of fossil fuels: Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya, Venezuela.
Here are some simple, undeniable facts to consider when it comes to the state of the Ukraine: 1. Ukraine is unstable. It went through a coup in 2014 (with both the U.S. and Russia playing roles) and a new U.S. friendly government was installed in Kiev, but the entirety of Ukraine has never recognized that government. 2. Several Ukraine companies compete with Gazprom to supply natural gas to EU countries, including Burisma and Naftogaz. 3. U.S. politicians took advantage of the 2014 coup to gain family wealth in exchange for U.S. foreign aid money that was used to prop up the new government and fossil fuel industry in the Ukraine. We all know about Burisma, but it clearly goes beyond that with the administrations becoming abnormally in the affairs of Naftogaz as well: Article from April 2021. Their are massive conflicts of interest between U.S. politicians (Rs and Ds) and Ukrainian fossile fuel companies and likely Gazprom as well: Lobbying related to Nord Stream 2 Pipeline
When I look at this situation, I struggle to see any benefit to the average citizen of the U.S. or any other NATO country. I see a government in the Ukraine that has never managed to achieve legitimacy among its own citizens, and I see a lot of interests that would benefit from using a U.S. taxpayer funded Military as it's own personal mercenary Army.
Finally, what are the potential downsides of not involving NATO? Redrawing of maps as unstable areas of Ukraine become part of Russia or independent countries themselves? What are the potential upsides?: Potentially less conflict in eastern Ukraine... Lower heating bills in Germany as they would now be able to import natural gas from multiple sources...
Hard Pass on this unnecessary and unwinnable conflict.
I don’t take offense to what you say. You’re a straight shooter and I’m fine with that, as long as you take it in return, which you have done, in fairness. That being said, I do think you often assume you know what the other poster’s mind thinks, but not accurately.
I see nothing that objectively sounds like sarcasm. I thought his tone was very flat. And honestly, at first, when I saw arch’s post, I thought well, crap, maybe I overreacted, so I did watch the video, but came to this conclusion.
I can’t speak with 100% certainty, but I can pretty confidently say that Trump made that statement because he wants to promote himself. He can chew gum and walk in a straight line. In this case, talk about how great Putin is, and also get in how great - or greater - he is, because he’s trying to undermine the current administration, unlike any other former Republican presidents that I’m aware of.
Now, let’s pull on this in the other way. Has he actually come out and condemned what Russia has done, unequivocally? I could be off here, but I don’t really recall him ever condemning anything Putin did. Now, let’s add even more context. He also previously said he would side with Putin over his own intelligence with Putin in the room, and then when even his own pundits were gasping, he later took it back by saying he forgot the word “not” or something along those lines. That’s right up there with the definition of the word “is.” To add further context to that, it seems pretty clear at this point in time that Russia wanted the guy elected in 2016.
With all the concerns going on right now, and all of the history surrounding him, he should stand with Biden and unequivocally condemn Russia’s actions. If he really wants to promote his greatness, maybe he should reach out to the person he knows very well and actually get him to stop. That would make Biden look like a real idiot, which I’m assuming is a very overarching goal of the former president/prospective 2024 candidate.
I actually think Biden handled the situation pretty well with his intelligence sharing, and galvanization of European leaders, at least up to the point where Russia moved into the disputed regions. I think his communication and messaging has been good. I was worried he’d bumble it too, and honestly, I still am given the recent events. He needs to be very decisive and strong in the days and weeks that follow.
The only person he can’t get to stand with him is the one person who unequivocally needs to in this instance, because the other guy can’t miss any opportunity to dig at the guy who defeated him.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
Rising gas prices is a bad thing, and not even for our own gas tanks, but for all the other products that will see increase due to fuel costs to transport them.
People are already struggling to provide for themselves, rising gas prices will only make matters worse.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
I've been kinda surfing all channels for their takes, it's great entertainment. What a bunch of clowns. Who is saying this is an "energy war"?
The only thing I've seen on Fox and CNN is the gripes about gas prices.
Here's the thing though... you have a president that sold his soul to the progressive right as far as the "green" movement. Cancel the Keystone pipeline, cancel land-leasing, is "considering the shutdown of the L5 pipeline", cancel shale, reduce production; disturb the entire apple cart in the hopes the entire grid will run on Kumbaya and fairy dust... so this is what you get.
And a president that says this: “I must tell you. I don’t have a near-term answer, It’s going to be hard.”
Now we have shenanigans with Putin's childish obsession and a president saying "Lube up folks, it's going to get a lot worse!"
Why is that, exactly? It has nothing to do with the road that led us here, right? We should just call all that water under the bridge (hopefully creating some hydroelectric power so we can all "sleep at night").
The bottom line is most people couldn't GAF less about Putin and the Ukraine. They've got mouths to feed and miles to drive to get that check. Gas prices have already doubled, inflation is the worst many have ever seen. One of inflation's biggest culprit is the supply chain... the answer to that with these clowns? Figure out a way to eliminate the truckers with childish power-plays.
Bro you have to realize that Russia is just a giant gas station. they got one good thing going for them. and if that collapses, their entire economy is done.
but that is NOT the reason for Putin's actions. you are looking at this from a resource perspective when the guy trying to start the war ISN'T. this is the big disconnect here. this is all about ideology and the old Soviet Union days for him. he doesn't view Ukraine or certain other EE countries as INDEPENDENT countries. he views those regions as Russian territory. He doesn't even recognize ukraine as having its own independent culture. he wants that old Iron Curtain back.
what you are talking about is economic conflicts that have BEEN a problem for years now. this isn't anything new. but that is not why Putin makes the geopolitical decisions he makes. please for the love of god stop buying into this narrative. he is using the ONE commodity he has any sort of real leverage over to try and accomplish his goals. you need to understand this: that's NOT the way he can accomplish his goals. the energy route is simply the LESS difficult path to success.
to honestly believe thats the big reason for all this is to ignore all the cyber hacking that has gone on in Europe and other parts of the world. to ignore all the troll farms and hacking of energy sectors and bank accounts, cryptomarkets and propaganda campaigns. we live in a digital world and THATS where he's being doing the most damage.
and yall STILL dont get that. omg please bro zoom out and look at the big picture here. you are buying directly into the narrative he wants right now. the very thing that has helped create a destabled-enough environment for him to pull this off.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
thats it. thats all you had to do. damn near every time the topic/articles of russia pops up, they're talking about fracking and energy up and down their website.
you're watching TV. i'm reading. and BTW, there are also video clips of the very TV you claim to be watching of them discussing the energy perspective.
come on guys, please keep up here. we're on the brink of war.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
you are very smart. which is why i dont understand why you turned on fox news.
i figured you'd be reading about this like i was. i didnt know i needed to specify that.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Easy way to avoid responding to former president Trump supporting Putin's invasion of a sovereign country. Well done.
That's what commies do. And then they call everyone else commies to deflect.
They make excuses for their comrades to support communist dictators by pretending it didn't really mean anything. Trump has been using this tactic for years and some of these suckers fall for it every time.
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