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Milk Man #1928672 03/08/22 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Milk Man
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Guess I'm confused as to why Poland had to give them to us so we could give them to Ukraine or why they had to go to Germany first?

Secondly, Putin stated that any country that let planes take off from their territory to help Ukraine would immediately be considered an enemy combatant... so in this exercise, who becomes the enemy combatant? The United States, Poland, Germany, all of the above?


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Maybe they’ll drive them down the autobahn and eventually into Ukraine, where they’ll take off.

In all seriousness, it would be great to add to the Ukrainian arsenal. How will Poland get its F-16s I wonder? Lockheed’s new plant at Greenville isn’t exactly humming on all cylinders right now.


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The back and forth is due to Poland feeling compelled to help but not wanting to turn Putin's anger towards themselves. Plus, if they were to do that they'd want to have their military assets on hand.

Supposedly, handing the jets over to Germany gives them that as an excuse "We didn't give them to Ukraine, we gave them to Germany". I don't get how this is actually considered a viable excuse (it's kinda like when we were little and we would hold our finger a hair's distance away from a sibling while repeating "I'm not touching you"), but what do I know.


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I can't imagine Poland, sitting on the doorstep of a lunatic, just gave away its planes knowing full well that would get the attention of said lunatic without an ironclad plan to have those assets replaced.


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You would think. I just don’t know what that plan is.


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Originally Posted by DCDAWGFAN[/quote
Guess I'm confused as to why Poland had to give them to us so we could give them to Ukraine or why they had to go to Germany first?

Secondly, Putin stated that any country that let planes take off from their territory to help Ukraine would immediately be considered an enemy combatant... so in this exercise, who becomes the enemy combatant? The United States, Poland, Germany, all of the above?

I think your second comment answered your first one.

Anyway, the US nixed the plan.


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Putin isn't going to nuke anyone over planes from Poland. He's just trying to prevent a no-fly zone from being implemented. BUT if and when it becomes obvious Putin is done, then all bets are off as to what he will do.

And the big Boohoo over the economy is as much about poo pooing anything Biden does as it is about the actual economy… that said, gas is going up for the foreseeable future and that sucks… Much of the increase is due to speculation rather than actual shortages, couple that with some ridiculous price gouging that was already going on and boom! SIX DOLLAR GAS.

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War in Ukraine is a 'metaphysical' battle against a civilization built on 'gay parades,' Russian Orthodox leader says

https://www.yahoo.com/news/war-ukraine-metaphysical-battle-against-221058908.html


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Originally Posted by Lyuokdea
Originally Posted by DCDAWGFAN
Guess I'm confused as to why Poland had to give them to us so we could give them to Ukraine or why they had to go to Germany first?

Secondly, Putin stated that any country that let planes take off from their territory to help Ukraine would immediately be considered an enemy combatant... so in this exercise, who becomes the enemy combatant? The United States, Poland, Germany, all of the above?[/quote
I think your second comment answered your first one.

Anyway, the US nixed the plan.

My initial thought was U.S. was providing cover in a way to Poland by having them sent to Germany and then on to Ukraine. It'll be interesting to see where this goes in the coming days, though stalled for now.

Or....U.S. wants to hold tight for now and not send the F-16s in exchange for the MiGs on the chance they need to send them to Taiwan.

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I think Taiwan has plenty of F-16s at this point. They just upgraded their fleet and they have an order in for production now.


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Like everyone else on here has already said, thanks very much for providing all the tweets. You have made DT the place to go for news on Ukraine!

So, question, say Russia defaults. What is the domino effect of that for their economy?


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Anyone know why Biden isn't drilling for oil in Alaska, Texas, South Dakota? Why the hell on God's green earth is he talking about Iran and Venezuela?

He is a moron with no spine. I wouldn't hire this guy as my dog walker.

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You need to lay off the drama and hyperbole, bro.

I already mentioned that I agree with you that we need to try to output more, but when it comes to drilling on federal lands, how long will that take as opposed to getting it from sources where it’s ready to be shipped. Trying to set up additional drilling probably wouldn’t make the price go down in the short term. A lot of that is based on commodity speculation anyhow, from what I can tell. By all means, if we can saturate the market quickly by not turning to either of those sources, I’m all for it.


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Tell me if I'm wrong. But, doesn't the u.s. export a lot of oil? While at the same time, importing a lot of oil? Am I wrong there?

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Oh that wasn't really directed towards you or anyone in general except the president. What he does just doesn't make sense to me and it's frustrating.


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Originally Posted by dawglover05
Like everyone else on here has already said, thanks very much for providing all the tweets. You have made DT the place to go for news on Ukraine!

So, question, say Russia defaults. What is the domino effect of that for their economy?

I sold my company in an effort to post more tweets on Dawgtalkers! Money be damned. tongue

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That’s my understanding as well, that we are a net exporter, but it’s close. I’m assuming your logical next step would be to say “why don’t we stop exporting?” I don’t exactly know what that would do in the grand scheme of things since I’m no economic expert. What I would wonder though is how it would affect global markets if we stopped exporting. That may increase our supply to drive prices down, but I would think that would drive prices up globally, for our allies in particular if we cut off our export supply. With that being the case, I think it might also drive up the price of any oil we would plan on importing to keep our supply levels high as well.

Just my thoughts. Take it with a grain of salt.


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how much does a solar farm cost?


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Originally Posted by archbolddawg
Tell me if I'm wrong. But, doesn't the u.s. export a lot of oil? While at the same time, importing a lot of oil? Am I wrong there?
Yes, although we import much more than we export... and over 60% of our exported oil goes to Canada.

It's mostly about logistics, infrastructure and what certain refineries require as a "raw material". For instance, it's easier to import crude at about the same price than it is to ship it across our land by rail.

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Why do we import from Russia?
U.S. West Coast (USWC) refineries rely on imports of light sweet crude oil from other countries, including Russia, because access to U.S. produced light sweet crude oil is challenged by geography, transportation and logistics.

Our refineries in the U.S. Gulf Coast (USGC) import heavier crude and unfinished oils from Russia that our complex refineries can transform into other products including gasoline, diesel and jet fuel.

Gasoline and diesel represent only a small part of Russian imports to the United States, largely going to the East Coast. The U.S. East Coast is reliant on foreign sources of refined product due to lack of local refining capacity and infrastructure to economically move products from refining centers along the USGC to markets along the eastern seaboard.

Why have Russian imports increased?
In 2021, increased Russian imports to refineries in California and Washington state have helped offset lower volumes of light sweet crude imports into California from other countries—notably Nigeria—and lower volumes of U.S.-produced crude oil shipped by rail to Washington.

Increased imports of crude oil to the USGC region in 2021 were largely driven by disruptions to U.S. Gulf of Mexico oil production caused by Hurricane Ida and have since declined.

And, since 2019, U.S. refineries have increased imports of unfinished heavy oils from Russia to help replace heavy sour crude from Venezuela that U.S. refineries can no longer import.

https://www.afpm.org/newsroom/blog/oil-and-petroleum-imports-russia-explained#:~:text=U.S.%20West%20Coast%20(USWC)%20refineries,by%20geography%2C%20transportation%20and%20logistics.


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how much does a solar farm cost?

HUMANITY if you do it wrong... this is a trip brah...


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The model revealed that when the size of the solar farm reaches 20% of the total area of the Sahara, it triggers a feedback loop.
This scenario might seem fanciful, but studies suggest that a similar feedback loop kept much of the Sahara green during the African Humid Period, which only ended 5,000 years ago.

So, a giant solar farm could generate ample energy to meet global demand and simultaneously turn one of the most hostile environments on Earth into a habitable oasis. Sounds perfect, right?

Not quite. In a recent study, we used an advanced Earth system model to closely examine how Saharan solar farms interact with the climate. Our model takes into account the complex feedbacks between the interacting spheres of the world’s climate — the atmosphere, the ocean and the land and its ecosystems. It showed there could be unintended effects in remote parts of the land and ocean that offset any regional benefits over the Sahara itself.

Drought in the Amazon, cyclones in Vietnam
Covering 20 percent of the Sahara with solar farms raises local temperatures in the desert by 1.5 degrees Celsius, according to our model. At 50 percent coverage, the temperature increase is 2.5 degrees Celsius. This warming is eventually spread around the globe by atmosphere and ocean movement, raising the world’s average temperature by 0.16 degrees Celsius for 20 percent coverage, and 0.39 degrees Celsius for 50 percent coverage. The global temperature shift is not uniform, though — the polar regions would warm more than the tropics, increasing sea ice loss in the Arctic. This could further accelerate warming, as melting sea ice exposes dark water which absorbs much more solar energy.

This massive new heat source in the Sahara reorganizes global air and ocean circulation, affecting precipitation patterns around the world. The narrow band of heavy rainfall in the tropics, which accounts for more than 30 percent of global precipitation and supports the rainforests of the Amazon and Congo Basin, shifts northward in our simulations. For the Amazon region, this causes droughts as less moisture arrives from the ocean. Roughly the same amount of additional rainfall that falls over the Sahara due to the surface-darkening effects of solar panels is lost from the Amazon. The model also predicts more frequent tropical cyclones hitting North American and East Asian coasts.

https://www.greenbiz.com/article/giant-desert-solar-farms-might-have-unintended-climate-consequences


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Originally Posted by Swish
how much does a solar farm cost?

How big is the farm? poke

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Looks like Russia has its own Pat Robertson.


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So about the post that Ukraine destroyed 30 helicopters at an airport. Guess that didn't happen right?


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Originally Posted by Swish
how much does a solar farm cost?

Short answer: They aren't cheap. The long answer requires answers to a lot more questions.

What are you trying to use it to power?

Is there land affordable nearby that has good sun exposure? Is there enough land available? Most "solar farms" have had pretty big footprints and can't/don't use verticality. (or at least didn't when I was doing research for a college paper a little ways back)

How are you going to store the power? Unlike conventional power plants, solar can't power things through the night without some sort of "battery."

How are you going to transmit the power to where it needs to go?

How are you going to regulate/convert voltage and balance loads?

Do you want to consider operating costs, maintenance, etc?

Are you concerned about environmental impact?

Really it comes down to how much you are willing to spend.

Google comes up with $3 million per mega watt, or 500k per acre, and it's generally not worth it to have a farm that would produce less than a mega watt for a utility-scale solar farm. Looks like those numbers are dated a bit, so it could very well be much lower.

Random-ish fact. We have "individual" solar farms in the US that cover in excess of 3,200 acres.

...No wonder we have global warming. That would be a really big blacktop parking lot (~5 square miles.) It kind of feels like solar power isn't actually very green when scaled.

....this should probably move to a different thread....


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Silly question. Would this be a good time to scarf up rubles for when this thing eventually ends?


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Where are you going to by a mythical creature like that? Nobody is selling, unless you somehow use a crypto exchange to get it.

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Ukrainians will NOT be occupied.



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Crazy because they don't even break their stride with gunfire ringing out.


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Crazy because they don't even break their stride with gunfire ringing out.


Let's be honest.... How many of us would crap their pants at the sound of gunfire ::raises hand::

but they keep walking forward and don't even flinch. I can't even imagine....


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Hell, they moved faster toward the Russians. The whole damn country seems to have balls the size of Jupiter. From old women joining the armed fighting, to people stopping tanks with their bare hands, to the David v. Goliath fight they are putting up, to the man and leader Zelinskyy has become… these people keep blowing my mind.

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Originally Posted by dawglover05


Thank you for posting that. Great article.


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Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Hell, they moved faster toward the Russians. The whole damn country seems to have balls the size of Jupiter. From old women joining the armed fighting, to people stopping tanks with their bare hands, to the David v. Goliath fight they are putting up, to the man and leader Zelinskyy has become… these people keep blowing my mind.

Agreed, these people are not far removed from being under oppression, many remember it, younger ones have been told stories about it. I'm not 100% confident that we would get the same commitment in America. I've said it before, that Afghanistan didn't put up a fight because they didn't understand the difference between freedom and oppression.


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Actually we do not import more oil than we export. Although that appears it will change within the next year or two....

U.S. petroleum exports slightly ahead of imports in first half of 2021

https://dailyenergyinsider.com/news...-ahead-of-imports-in-first-half-of-2021/

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Crazy. Thanks for the correction. I didn't even fact-check, I assumed it wasn't even close.


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