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I wouldn't mind that scenario at all.

Can run down Patrick Mahommes while being bigger than Wilfork? I think that puts in in perspective... holy smokes.

I would love to take him. In my opinion we have a bigger need for a stud DT over a stud receiver. The DT would have a far greater impact on the outcome of games.

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My question is this; If he's such an athletic stud for as big as he is than why did he not consistently dominate in games? Dude grades out good as a run stopper according to PFF but very low in the pass rush category. He had by far the lowest Pass rush win rate compared to the other top DTs in this draft. From what I have seen and read on the guy while he ran fast at the combine he has build up speed and very limited lateral quickness, the guy is a Danny Shelton clone, and while not bad I don't believe he is worth a 1st rnd pick.

I tend to agree with you. When people get enamored by combine stats over game film they can often times get fooled.

And yet Danny Shelton had the better college career while facing more double team blocks than Jordan Davis. If the guy is such a stud why does his college play not show it?

When you score as highly as he did at the combine it means you have great athletic ability. When that great athletic ability does not transfer in production onto the football field it means that not all great athletes make for great football players.

Unless the Combine can somehow address a prospect's red flag(s), a prospect shouldn't shoot up the draft board solely because of the underwear olympics.

I would not want the Browns to take him at 13, I was just posting the RAS comparisons of the two.

From The Athletic on Jordan Davis...

Jordan Davis — Georgia – 6-6 – 350 – Jersey No. 99

Jordan Davis is a four-year staple of the best defense in the country as a massive defensive tackle who has a weight range between 340-360, depending on which weight you believe. He has been the 2021 Outland Trophy and Bednarik Award winner as well as a unanimous All-American and All-SEC honoree for his work with the Bulldogs. In 41 games for Georgia over four seasons, Davis was in on 90 tackles, 7 sacks, 11 1/2 TFLs and a lot of attention.

Games studied: Clemson, Auburn, Georgia Tech, Alabama (2)

Positives: When he is on the field, the opponent tries to avoid him because few players can clog up the line of scrimmage the way Davis does. He is a massive problem for running games and helps collapse a pocket with his strength on an inside push. He demands attention and impacts games in a rare way. He can play either defensive tackle spot and will be the focal point for double-teams or avoiding altogether. He is a man among boys, even against teams like Alabama. He was even the lead blocker at the goal-line in the national championship game. He plays hard.

Concerns: There is no question that when it comes to a player high in the draft, we must always err on the side of where the game is going. What that means is that unless you can pass rush or cover, you are not very useful on the plays that will matter in games. Davis will never be an excellent pass rusher and that is probably why we should understand his value is affected. 2021 was the first year that Jordan Davis surpassed 300 snaps in a season and has never been a high-snaps player for obvious reasons. He has limited pass-rush value and Georgia could find better players when it appeared to be a pass play, but also the size of the man would indicate conditioning will always be a consideration.

Overall: How well you are already built may affect your willingness to bet on Davis. It would be unreasonable to say this is a Vita Vea-type who can play in all situations because Vea had more pass-rush utility and it might not be real close. That said, there aren’t many on the planet like Davis. He is a force of nature with a motor and for that reason I will be giving him a FIRST ROUND grade, despite that being a debate point. A playoff team will add him and the opponents will instantly stress out.

I'd take him at #13 and not blink. I'd freaking SPRINT to the podium to turn in that card.

And you wouldn't post as good a time as him...

Davis was on a team with the talent to win a National Championship. Shelton's team went 4-5 in the PAC-12 his senior year.

When your team is overflowing with NFL talent, there are only so many plays to go around.

They were used in different ways.

Trust me, I am/was hesitant to get on board as well after how Shelton's time here played out. But, I'm coming around.

A pocket collapsing DT could take our D to the next level. The best way to disrupt a quick timing based passing offense is to toss an O Lineman in the QB's face and get him off his mark.

His ability to occupy blockers could also help free up LBs.

I have some concerns about the number of snaps he can handle, but it seems some of his lack of snaps is just based on the style of D and offensive pace of current collegiate offenses combined with Georgia's depth.

I think I'm hoping for Jermaine Johnson now, but it's looking like he might not make it to 13. I'm not entirely sold on Davis, but the idea of what he could be is rather appealing.

And Johnson sat in a back-up role at Georgia. That isn't a rap on Johnson. He just wasn't as good as the guys in front of him, at least in the eyes of the coaching staff.

Maybe chemistry was the problem. Maybe Johnson just didn't fit with what Georgia was doing. It happens all the time in college football where a player has to transfer to find the right fit...Joe Burrow comes to mind. At OSU he couldn't play. At LSU he became all world, and that isn't a rap at the OSU coach and staff. Sometimes a coach just doesn't want to mess with a chemistry that has worked.

He's no Danny Shelton, that is for sure.

Just bring him in, get him into some conditioning programs, drop 20-30 pounds and have him more effective at 310-320#. He'll be quicker, have better stamina, his already explosive legs will be more effective, and he'll be able to stay on the field.

It sounds like that had been Georgia's plan. The problem is that he actually needs to do it. It's easy to say you'll do it when you're trying to get paid. The question is will he actually do it after he gets paid.

He did an interview after one of the Alabama games this past season admitting that his conditioning was an issue.

That's a bit concerning.

He needs to drop some, but 30# might be a bit much. I think 320-325 would be pretty good for the guy. The guy can play every down for us. Most of the time anyway. If he doesn't get double teamed, he will push the pocket.

That is all a DT really needs to do, especially with a guy like Garrett on the edge. Just close the pocket and he creates a big problem for a QB.

The guy did rotate at Ga. but I think a big part of that was they had 6 guys who needed play time

chills.