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j/c Large scale monocrop farming is generally terrible for the environment. It's efficient and profitable in the short-term. In the long term, you end up with things like the Dust Bowl.

Honestly, it feels like our approach to land use in general is pretty awful.

aye man.....some of you guys are starting to really kill me with this "poor innocent russians" nonsense.

their government is currently invading a sovereign country and intentionally KILLING civilians. yet we're supposed to think about the people who's doing the invading? by the way, other than a few protest, doesn't seem to be much outrage over their leader invading. Russia is an anti-western country. other than products, they don't believe the same as the West.

Bull, you should probably go look throughout Russian history and ask yourself why they seem to have a track record of tyrants and dictators. at some point, you need to start considering that *enough* russians might like that iron hammer style leadership. that they don't have all that much of a problem with Putin and what he's doing. that maybe they also don't view Ukraine as a sovereign country.

i'll care about the russians when they care enough about their government to stop ruthless jerks like Putin from gaining power. screw the money, this is about pride and respect.

you telling the board that you absolutely have a price on your freedom.

That is why GOOD farmers don't do it. At least around here, and most places as well.

One word. Trump. Americans can't claim to never have allowed a bad leader.

Who likes evil, authoritarian leadership? Seriously. They're afraid of expressing dissent because they've seen their government run over civilians in tanks and disappear protestors.

I'm sure you'd be a great revolutionary if you'd been born poor in Russia.

...so how do they do it there?

I see a fair number of fields filled with nothing but corn around here.

Depends on the ground, obviously. Corn, then wheat, then soybeans. Some have been nothing but alfalfa for years.

While crop rotation is better than no crop rotation, it sounds like the fields are still monocrop while in use.

Depends on the ground, expected crop pricing, and yes, what was plated last year. But you don't need to rotate every year.

Fertilizer costs way more than it did.

Like everything else in Biden's America!

you just proved my point. i've been here the entire time saying how trump is an embarrassment to the country. I CAN NOT separate myself from trump because at the end of the day, he was my president for 4 years. i dont get to disown being an american just because some guy i dont like is running the country. i cant separate myself from trump when the global community trashes americans because of him. "hey, not all of us voted for trump."

but ENOUGH OF US did.

yea, maybe i'd be in prison, or dead. who knows? i'm sure you'd be a great puppet for Putin if you'd been poor in Russia.

No doubt. We have large segments our own country who have been brought up under the government's umbrella and are fearful of change.

That and over there you might get shipped off to Siberia if you fuss a little too much.

check this out:

US, EU cyber investments in Ukraine pay off amid war

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/597921-us-eu-cyber-investments-in-ukraine-pay-off-amid-war

this is a good reason why we haven't heard much from the cyber warfare aspect of this war; whatever Russia is trying to do in the cyberspace, most of it - at least the big stuff - has been neutralized. im sure thats having an impact on the battlefield.

anybody have any credible reports on how many russian troops have deserted so far?

I agree that these sanctions are aimed at bringing the entire country to it's knees - they are a blunt force trauma sort of reaction that hurt the people of the country more than the people in power. But if we are effectively at war with Russia - albeit it a non combative war at this moment - then I think whatever actions you take has to be against the country. I don't think the targeting of oligarchs would do anything to make Putin pause for one second. I don't like it but I don't have a better solution. And War is inhumane - and when you have some despot like Putin who knows how to play the games and push all the right buttons, sometimes you need an overwhelming and disproportionate response otherwise the Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine train keeps going and next it will be the other 10 countries that separated from the USSR - and then when he's done all that without the rest of the world stopping him, who knows what's next and how he continues to disrupt other countries elections and trust in due process etc.

Since Russia seems to have no issues with targeting women, children and civilians, I feel no pity that their people can't have lunch at McDonalds or Starbucks.

With the understanding that we're NOT sending them planes, tanks and such, I would imagine this could be a pretty sizable contribution, but I'm not current on the going rate for a Javelin. dawglover?

I'm not sure I disagree, but I offer the counterpoint that Putin is the leader of a country. There is some level of culpability for everyone in Russia in Putin being the entrenched leader he is. Also, companies pulling out of Russia is individual companies taking care of their own business.

Random People Start Seizing Properties Belonging to Russian Oligarchs and Putin’s Daughter

https://www.yahoo.com/news/random-people-start-seizing-properties-123217518.html

look guys, i know we've all taken shots at each other. but right now we need to come together as Browns fans. i say we all fly to israel, politely invite ourselves onto a yacht owned by a russian oligarch, and sail that boy into the atlantic. we get far enough, maybe the authorities dont even bother to stop us, and now we got a yacht to chill in lake Erie on gamedays!

I don't know where one would get them. The Russians would say zero. The Ukrain's would say thousands upon thousands. I think we would fudge the numbers up as well.

I agree, but as we saw in wars in which we were involved, people tend to go to safe havens. I am not sticking up for Russia by any means, but this war isn't a totally conventional war. Many if not most of the Ukranian fighters aren't regular troops in helmets and uniforms. Many are just regular folks, fighting where they can, hiding out where they can. Thus, targets one would consider a safe place, immune from attack can become a target.

I referring more to what I've read about Russia agreeing to evacuation routes, and then ambushing the fleeing people on those routes, bombing a maternity hospital, apartment buildings.

The reality is we can't afford that yacht, even if was at no cost and we pooled all of resources. Start with paying a crew of 20, and think about fuel.

They play in a different league.

we can make it work!

Russian yacht, probably has a micro-nuclear reactor for power.

I can't help but think that WWIII has already started and, much like WWII, most countries are just going to be late to figure that out.

Russia invading Ukraine, they won't stop there if they are successful. China pretending to be neutral but, according to CNN, all of the Chinese state media and social media is pumping out the Russian talking points to the Chinese people, that it's not a war, that Russia is justified, that it's the west that is evil in this, etc. Russia threatening any country that helps Ukraine while they are seeking help from.... other countries.

No, the autocrat states are coming after democracy.. and this war is already more of a "war for our freedom" than any of the last 8 wars we have been in...

NATO is just weak and spineless.. the Ukrainians have all of the courage in the world and not enough weapons, NATO has tons of weapons and absolutely zero courage. The Ukrainians are far less afraid of Putin than we are.... Russia will be knocking on the door of western Europe before NATO gets off their a** to do anything about it. Our administration's "red line" is no chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons.. so Putin can cause whatever death and destruction he wants to any non-NATO country but as long as he stays away from those 3 things, we have openly stated we will essentially sit back and watch.. we will cancel their Netflix and confiscate their yachts...

It's already been figured out. Sure there are nations that neither Russia nor NATO have alliances with that will be somewhat contested. But there is a 30 nation coalition in place that will work together to defend each other. WW2 created that need for that and the demand for that need was met. We have already heard from our own politicians that the potential of WW3 exists here so it's not something that is being ignored or is somehow hidden in their minds.

The only thing being debated now is do we go beyond the bounds of NATO to help instigate WW3 or do we stick with honoring our NATO commitments alone. So far we have chosen not to engage in direct military conflict outside the boundaries of NATO.

Bro, we'll show up with a large pot of my Beef Stroganoff and they'll hand us the keys with a full tank.

j/c...

lets say a nuke getas dropped.

how close do i have to be in order to get enough radiation to grow a 3rd arm, but not enough to die from radiation poisoning?

Thanks for the history lesson and the current news update, Anderson Cooper. I'm aware of all that. You seem to be ok with it, I'm not.

I'm not an expert, but I don't think one gets to pick which appendage they will grow with radiation exposure.

well im fine with whatever grows

This doesn't really surprise me. The attacks Russia pulled off to get Hillary's emails and hacking the DNC were phishing attacks. This is when you send an email or other communication that tricks somebody into giving up login credentials, then using fake forms, fake logins, etc., to catch those credentials. This is about half a peg above being a script kiddie hacker. Phishing is effective but low brow, techwise. Our cybersecurity specialists are very advanced at detecting attacks that don't involve people just giving away access. So Russia is up against superior hackers in that respect. Not saying they have nobody that can do things on a higher level, but I haven't seen reports of anything other than phishing attacks out of them.

This will end with a bunch of DTers sitting in inner tubes, tied together, floating on the lake… lol.

I may know a few squids capable of this. At least one other deck ape like myself and an engineer to keep things running....... just sayin'

Just one point I would make to counter; Russia is NOT going to nuke Kyiv, it's too close to their own borders. Most NATO countries do not have that comfortable fact to rely upon.

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I also don't think Russia will nuke Kyiv (or anywhere for that matter) -- but it has nothing to do with distance. The radiation from a nuclear weapon in Kyiv would be entirely negligible in Russia.

So what is your answer? All out war with Russia right now in Ukraine? You're getting very good at showing distaste for things the way they are with no viable solutions. And it sounds like maybe you should tune in to Anderson Cooper. He obviously is bringing up points you act like you haven't heard before.