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It seems like the front office thinks it was more than just the injuries.

How do you come to that conclusion? It seems you believe that Watson is a top 5 QB and fair game to go after as an upgrade. It seems you believe the Browns wanted to keep Baker if they didn't want Watson. So what are you seeing / hearing / reading that lends you to believe that they think 2021 was as good as Baker can be?

They didn’t sign him to an extension after 2020, as soon as they could look for an upgrade they did, and they didn’t seem too worried about upsetting him.

Exactly! Like not seeing the field and other like things that can still be graded, injury or not withstanding.

Yeah, we noticed. Yet anyone who watched him play in 2020 and in 2021 knows the reason.

How many crab legs accused him of sexual allegations? I had no idea!

Let's take a look at this. For the sake of argument let's say Watson is top five. Let's say the other four are Mahomes (Chiefs), Rodgers (Packers), Allen (Bills), and Dak Prescott (Cowboys). That's five teams off the list (can we agree that the Texans are trading for Watson.

The Texans also said that would not grant permission to any AFC South teams to talk to Watson (Jaguars, Colts, and Titans). Eight teams off the list.

Let's go to the AFC the Patriots have Mac Jones, who played above expectations, on a rookie deal. The Dolphins have Tua on a rookie deal (and already went down the Watson rabbit hole with Flores). We already talked about Allen. The Jets just picked Zach Wilson with the second overall pick. Three more off the list. Eleven.

AFC North. The Steelers didn't show any interest for whatever reason. I would argue they should have but they didn't. The Bengals have Joe Burrow. The Ravens have Lamar Jackson. Two more on the list. 13.

AFC West. Mahomes. Herbert. The Raiders seem to be all in on Carr, who has a very cheap contract, I understand them not wanting to trade for Watson despite Watson being better than Carr. The Broncos traded less for Wilson than what Watson will require and doesn't have off the field issues. Add three more. 16.

On to the NFC East. The Giants are a wreck, have no cap space, and in need of a tear down. Watson was never going to choose them. The Eagles tried to get Watson last year but then Jalen Hurts performed above expectations and is very cheap. Cowboys have Dak. Washington simply can't trade for Watson because of PR reasons. Three more. 19.

NFC South. Literally the whole division is trying to trade for DeShaun Watson besides the Buccaneers (who have Tom Brady). 20.

Kyler Murray is on a rookie deal for the Cardinals and is very good (and very emotional). The 49ers traded everything for Trey Lance. The Rams just won the Super Bowl with Matt Stafford and have no first round picks until 2074. The Seahawks showed interest in Watson but didn't show interest in them. Three more to the list. 23.

The NFC North has Rodgers, Cousins, Fields, and Goff. Obviously a no from the Packers. I would argue the Vikings should have gone after Watson to upgrade from Cousins. Fields is on a rookie deal and the Bears traded a bunch for him. Watson was never going to the Lions. Add two the the list. 25.

So that's seven teams that could have/did go after Watson. The Saints, Panthers, Falcons, Browns, Seahawks, Vikings, and the Steelers.

As for rookie contracts there are a lot. Mac Jones, Tua, Zach Wilson, Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, Justin Herbert, Jalen Hurts, Daniel Jones, Justin Fields, Kyler Murray, and Trey Lance.

Clearly I was exaggerating but I think this breakdown was helpful.

Because defenses figured out that if they took away the play action and screen game they would force him to play from the pocket which is something he is not great at? Agreed.

How many teams have questions at the QB position? Now, how any teams went after Watson? You'll find those numbers don't match up with your post. And you try and act like this is somehow Baker's fault that he no longer wants to be here. It sounds like it may be you making excuses for this FO. Players request a trade all the time. Actually that's exactly the same thing Watson did in Houston. According to your description of what a immature is you just wanted to trade one immature QB for another one.

Over sized ego = false narrative.

Baker immaturity showed with his selfish all about me goodbye letter to the fans. He was not released or traded yet. Why would someone write such a letter? He is immature. He is suppose to be a professional. He could not handle that the FO courted a better QB. Maybe that is why he cannot handle the 4th quarter pressure and lead a comeback drive for victory. He once told Duke Johnson to get with the program. He acted like a child to Hue Jackson. I don't hear teammates coming out in his defense. Why? It is very telling.

So is a healthy Baker.

You mean they figured out to defend against a QB with a torn shoulder? I bet that was difficult. You consistently dismiss everything but what you want to see. We have no idea what NFL defenses did or did not figure out because he had a torn labrum. Are you trying to say that didn't have a huge impact on Baker's performance and that being able to defend against a badly injured QB is indicative of it being opposing D's verses his injured shoulder?

Probably. But Baker will be looking for a long term contract and is going into a lame duck year. The situations are entirely different.

So you ignore that Watson demanded a trade because he felt so entitled he thought he had the right to help name his HC? The Texans didn't try to claim he would be their starter and then try to replace him. They didn't say they wanted a "grown up at QB". So that's what this FO was going to replace Baker with. A QB who displayed a lot more entitlement than Baker did. But I see you refused to address the fact we would have ended up with a much more immature QB than Baker was. But then a lot of other people seem to be doing the same thing.

So you think it's immature to send out a farewell letter because your bosses are trying to replace you? Your bar of immaturity seems pretty ridiculous to me when this team was trying to replace him with a QB who is even worse from the aspect of being immature.

Deshaun Watson officially requests trade from Texans hours after team names head coach

It appears the Deshaun Watson era is over with the Houston Texans. The relationship has taken center stage this offseason and is fueled by Watson's angst toward owner Cal McNair and Jack Easterby, the tumult reaching fever pitch with the team reneged on promises to include him in helping to identify the team's next head coach -- with further gasoline having been poured on the fire by the hiring of Nick Caserio as general manager. What had not occurred yet, however, was a formal request (read: demand) by Watson to be traded, but the Texans have now reportedly received just that.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...exans-hours-after-team-names-head-coach/

Throwing a tantrum because as a player you feel you have the3 right to name your own coaching staff is SO mature!

I had forgotten that fiasco ... Yeah, anyone criticizing Baker for immaturity and entitlement issues needs to address that first.

Not even close actually. Baker had a year to prove that 2020 was no fluke. Not only that, 2020 was his first year in the Stefanski offense. Baker knew he couldn't use an injured 202i season to help in contract demands. Baker had every reason to ball out this coming season to get that extension. Now, after the way this FO has conducted itself it will most certainly be a lame duck year. If he is even here or even plays here.

What we are witnessing are character assassinations of Baker to absolve the FO from their total boning of the situation. They certainly have no intention of of addressing that Watson was even worse. It doesn't play into their narrative.

They aren't allowed to comment on Watson as he is a player under contract for a different team.

As far as character assassination? Eh. Baker did a lot of that himself.

Players like Watson and Rogers have the abilty to cause a stir because teams will line up and offer 3 1st round picks + because they have produced on the field. Baker comes off looking like a spoiled entitled brat because he does not have teams lining up offering multiple 1st round picks. Heck he cannot even get a team to offer 1 1st round pick. If a team would the Browns would trade him in a heartbeat.

So it is kinda like if your dating a super model your will put up with quite a bit more nagging, quite a bit more crazy than if your dating a woman quite a bit less than a supermodel. Those woman need to learn how to stroke egos. I think Baker fits the stroking ego mode. In the QB world he falls well short of a super model.

This FO did more to assassinate their own character than Baker could even attempt to do.

If you are referring to their pursuit of Watson and his off the field issues then I might agree with you. If you are referring to anything having to do with Baker then I disagree with you.

Yes, saying goodbye because your team is trying to replace you is so terrible. Bringing in a QB who will demand a trade because his team didn't allow him to help hand pick his own HC would be a sign of real maturity at the QB position.

Do you think that is the only reason DeShaun Watson was upset?

Do you have any factual information to the contrary? And if so, why do you think his trade demand came just hours after the hiring of their new HC? Timing is everything. Pretending it's not is well.......

Any chance the Browns bring Juice back? He would work very well w/Watson.

It has been stated by some insiders that the Browns are working on bringing back Juice and/or Will Fuller and Clowney.

Oh my! Well, hello.....

Hey, Vers! Very good to see you!

Welcome back Vers

Hi Vers welcome back!! I missed reading your opinions on our football topics.

Thanks guys. I would love to have Landry back. I would also like to bring OBJ back. The negative is that he probably won't be ready until November or so, but OBJ, Landry, and Cooper would rock w/a great qb like Watson.

Hi Vers welcome back!! I did not miss reading your opinions on our football topics.

Landry would be nice, OBJ not too sure about. The team needs a healthy number one WR not a handful of 2 and 3's who are aging.


Welcome back friend !

Thanks dawg and I hope all is well in the Stark.

Not sure your last trip back here was, the Hall Of Fame stuff is tearing up stuff and building it back ! really crazy, you come back ya better let me know and hook up for a minute. Hope you are doing okay !

2017. Sold the house after my mom passed away.

Still have family there. I'll be back. Maybe we can hoop. I'll take you to the hole and drop you off. LOL

Vers I remember when your mom passed, you were in and out of here and never got a chance to hook up ! I might just head your way..better weather !


I really like having Watson and Brissett, Thought the Colts had something in him.

Dayum Dog! I would check periodically and see that your last post was still your last post.

Can't count the times I said "Man, wonder what Vers would be saying right now?!" Can't count the times I said "Yep, he was right about that".

Good to see you back, don't be a stranger!

Hi Vers - welcome back - good to see you posting again.