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Ohio Governor DeWine Signs BFA-Supported Permitless Carry Bill

Ohio Governor DeWine Signs BFA-Supported Permitless Carry Bill
5:46PM MONDAY, MARCH 14, 2022
At approximately 4:50 p.m. on Monday, March 14, 2022, Gov. Mike DeWine signed Senate Bill 215, which will make it legal to carry a concealed handgun without a license in Ohio 91 days after signing.

"This is a day that will go down in history," said Dean Rieck, Executive Director of Buckeye Firearms Association. "It has been about 18 years since Ohio enacted HB 12 to bring licensed concealed carry to the state.

"However, the brass ring has always been to eliminate the licensing mandate, which people refer to as permitless carry or Constitutional Carry. And now, finally, that day is here. This is a great moment for Ohio and for those who wish to more fully exercise their Constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

"Gov. DeWine made a campaign promise to Buckeye Firearms Association and to Ohio's 4 million gun owners that he would sign a Constitutional Carry bill if it was put on his desk. And he has fulfilled his promise."

SB 215 makes several important changes to Ohio's concealed carry laws:

Obtaining a concealed handgun license will become optional, so if you are able to legally carry a concealed handgun with a license, you will also be able to carry without a license. The same rights and responsibilities apply in either case.
You will no longer have the duty to "promptly" notify every law enforcement officer during an official stop. Instead, you must disclose that you are carrying a concealed handgun only when an officer asks, unless you have already notified another officer.
If you choose to obtain a concealed handgun license, you will no longer be required to carry the license on your person.
Here are two references for further details on this new law:

Text of the act as enrolled
Summary and analysis by the Ohio Legislative Services Commission
It is important to note that SB 215 will not eliminate or change the current Ohio licensing system. Those who wish to obtain a license for carrying a concealed handgun in Ohio or in other states with reciprocity agreements may continue to do so.

In addition, whether you choose to carry with or without going through the licensing process, you must still be a qualifying adult, such as being at least 21 years of age, not prohibited from possessing a firearm under state or federal law, not a fugitive from justice, etc. Refer to the links above or the Attorney General's booklet on concealed carry.

In addition to permitless carry, the numerous legal and legislative accomplishments of Buckeye Firearms Association over the last 20 years include "preemption" to establish one set of state-level gun laws and prohibit the passage of a patchwork of local gun control laws, closing the media loophole to prevent journalist access to lists of concealed handgun license-holders, enacting castle doctrine in homes and cars to provide an initial presumption that you may act in self-defense, shifting the burden of proof to the state in self-defense cases, enacting "stand your ground" to repeal the duty to retreat, successfully suing cities such as Columbus and Cincinnati to reverse illegal gun control ordinances, and submitting amicus briefs in the landmark U.S. Supreme Court cases of D.C. v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago.

Buckeye Firearms Association (BuckeyeFirearms.org) is a grassroots organization dedicated to defending and advancing the right of citizens to own and use firearms for all legal activities, including self-defense, hunting, competition, and recreation.

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/ohio-governor-dewine-signs-bfa-supported-permitless-carry-bill

I'll still get my license renewed when it's time, but I like this.

i dont want to hear anymore BS about how hip hop glorifies guns.

guns have been glorified for centuries in this country, and this is more proof of that. we got a crazy ass gun cult....i mean "church" right next door in Pennsylvania. looks like its gonna expand to ohio in no time.

As a ccw holder I don't know how to feel about this.

Technically I think there should be no law preventing anyone from carrying anything, but the education and range time one went through to get a permit is very useful. It made me want to become a better marksman and I still go to the range a lot because it's fun. Now, people won't get the education factor which isn't good. Unfortunately there's a lot of irresponsible people.

Some people don't take it seriously enough, especially if they're young, that they're carrying a deadly weapon that could end someone's life. That pulling your gun on another person constitutes brandishing and you can get in trouble. That money I paid going through the course was money well spent.

I agree. There is a LOT of information in the CCW course that I took, things that I think everyone that decides to carry should know. Say what you want about the NRA, but they put together top notch firearms educational programs. Hands on instruction at the range would prevent a lot of negligent discharges ("accidents" to the uneducated).

Most would be surprised to learn that there is no such thing as an accident.

Country music has been glorifying guns for way longer than hip hop.

A major difference might be that country mostly tells people to go hunt for their food.

Hip hop mostly tells you to hunt the police or your enemy.

Education. Be that from another person, an instructor, your dad.............whatever.

I learned about a hangfire from my CCw class. So rare, right? Uh, I had one. I was almost stupid.....damn thing went off after about 4 seconds or so. Handgun.

People need to learn, and just taking an NRA class doesn't mean you know. Sometimes "at home" learning can teach you just as well, if not better. Many times I've literally screamed at people. We shoot clay pigeons out back fairly often. Every single person knows full well the rules, and if a new person is here, I/we go over them ad nauseum with them.

When I got my CCW I was first trained by my Dad (ex-FBI Agent) and then took a class at the range. The class basically taught me the same stuff my Dad did (I think the teacher was ex-law enforcement), plus some stuff about laws in GA about having a gun in your car, what to do if you get pulled over with a gun, and what to do to defend your home. Also they had range time with an instructor so he could watch me use my new gun. It was well worth the time/money.

Also, there were a lot of couples in the class. Shooting is a good date night activity.

J/C...

Gang members and bad people don't have permits to carry a concealed weapon. They kill people everyday. putting them through a course won't make them any smarter or respectable for another's life.


Courses or not, legally carrying or not, pulling a trigger and killing someone, whether justifiable or not will change your life !


And it won't be for the better !

j/c...

Well played by DeWine in his bid to win re-election against several GOP primary challengers. Helps combat the RINO accusations for upcoming campaign season. It'll be good for tv ads, mailers and social media.

I'll congratulate him on his re-election now.

Are you aware Vermont has been constitutional carry for over 100 years? It isn't "weld west frontier" justice.

But keep yelling the same tired old trope.

Funny thing. You keep advocating that anyone with zero training or without knowing a sigle thing about handling a firearm should be able to walk out of a gun store, load a gun and carry it. And then say, "What could possibly go wrong?" You realize that doesn't make any sense, right?

You do understand that being responsible and doing the right thing is the only thing that separates us from the criminals in our society, right?

Show me where I said ALL that. You can't.

Reading comprehension is important. Stop reading what you think I said.

So you don't support doing away with CCW laws? Because everything I've ever seen you post on the topic indicates you most certainly do.

So here's the deflection and changing the question so you can think you are right.

In general laws regarding bearing of arms vis a vis the constitution are in direct conflict with the idea of "shall not be infringed". If you must ask the government for permission to exercise a right then it is a privilege and can be withheld to only those deemed worthy enough.

Reference the ability to procure a license to bear arms in New Jersey. The only ones deemed worthy are politically connected individuals. This is what permits become. I would rather anyone be able to bear arms and not have it restricted to people who are politically connected or wealthy and can afford to pay ridiculous sums to be able to defend themselves.

You can blather on and on about people running about and shooting anything that moves because they have a gun but almost half the states are now constitutional carry, some have been for years and that just isn't what is happening.


As an addition though, I do realize being responsible is not the only thing that separates us from criminals. Criminals also don't follow laws. They already carry illegally. Thank you for mentioning that... it does prove the point that a license to carry is merely a burden on someone that follows laws.

Now I do realize, yet again, you will have to change the question so you can get your last word with some other trope, but try to be better than that.

Thank you Gov. for making it possible for me to once again carry a gun without forking over big money to somebody else to teach something I already know.

So then you promote every word of what I posted here no matter how much you tried to pretend you didn't.

So you think people in Ohio are so degenerate that they can't figure out how to get training they believe they need? Maybe they would just go buy a gun then use it to open doors at businesses cause ya know, they are so ignorant.

You really have a very dim view of people, oh wait, that's right YOU are the only one with real intelligence. Yeah, I keep forgetting yer smarterer than the rest o humanity.

Did you miss the part where 21 other states don't require you to beg your government for permission to have the tools to defend yourself and there are gun battles in the streets every day because someone said "It's on like donkey kong?"

Since you are so pro training, what do you believe is enough? Really, tell me, what training do you think people should have to exercise a right? How much should they spend on the training, on licensing? What's a good number? How often should they train?

He's an expert on everything, just ask him.

Here's a fact: Bad guys with guns never cared about laws saying they couldn't carry.

Good guys with guns know the rules/laws, and punishment.

One need not ask, one is told, ad nauseum.

It does amaze me how many prohibited people can get a license to carry and law abiding citizens can't. Especially when you have to fire a round to get your hand gun license here and there are no ranges in the city.

Oh wait! They don't care about the license, they just do what they want.

Sounds like pit ought to worry about his own state first.

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/ccw_reciprocity_map/tn-gun-laws/




"However, as of July 1, 2021, a law was passed creating a statutory “exception” which allows permitless open and concealed carry for anyone that at least 21 years old or older (or is at least 18 years of age and has been honorably discharged from military service or is active duty and has completed basic training) that may lawfully possess a handgun, is in a place where the person has a right to be and meets three additional criteria as defined in the table below."

Dang, that sounds pretty similar, no? Is TN the wild west?

I worry about every state that does not require training. You know what's so odd? The very same people that talk about how bad the latest generation is.... the same people who talk about people not having common sense... the same people who complain that everyone be responsible, now advocate those same people be able to walk into gun store, walk out and strap up while not requiring they have a clue how to handle a firearm. They obviously don't mean anything they say. Oh yeah, and stalkers bother me to. Those people can be dangerous as well.

I guess these fine, upstanding gun owners bear no responsibility........

More than 1,300 guns were stolen out of cars in Nashville last year. Why does the problem keep getting worse?

https://wpln.org/post/more-than-130...why-does-the-problem-keep-getting-worse/

No doubt there's gonna be yays and nays on this bill.

Personally, when I received my CCW for the very 1st time(much more than a couple years ago) I had to go thru/attend "X amount" of classroom hours capped off by demonstrating proficiency in handling and firing my firearm. If I recall correctly, I believe it was at Grays Armory???

The class was taught by a Sargeant in the Cleveland Police Dept along with a policeman from the Indepence Police Dept.

For me, the classes and range time were invaluable.

I renewed my CC permit on 3-8-21 with an expiration date of 3-8-26.

Q: Will I get a 4 year refund?

Holy crap, that's over 3.5 guns per day stolen from cars in one city. And those are probably only the reported thefts. Seems to be a lot of gun owning ignorance down there.

The problem is it's not just "down here". And the sad part is the vast majority of those guns are being stolen from unlocked vehicles. My point all along is that you can't legislate common sense. You have children being "accidentally shot" in homes because people do not properly keep their firearms secured. You have what I've shown here with people just leaving firearms in unlocked vehicles.

Now some in our society feel giving the public the option to strap a gun on and not providing safety measures to insure they are at least trained in handling and firing such a weapon is some great idea and symbol of freedumb.

There really needs to be a free gun safety course requirement to own a firearm...

Yet what you want is for them to legislate common sense.

Basic gun training which will protect everyone is common sense. What I'm not in favor of is stopping the use of any common sense.

Answers to Common Questions about Ohio’s New Permitless Carry Law
by Dean Rieck
7:00AM FRIDAY, MARCH 18, 2022
Senate Bill 215 has been signed into law and will make it legal to carry a concealed handgun without a license in Ohio beginning on June 13, 2022.

Generally referred to as “permitless carry” or “constitutional carry,” this legislation will make several important changes to Ohio’s concealed carry laws:

Ohio’s concealed handgun license (CHL) will become optional. If you are currently qualified by law to obtain a CHL and carry concealed, you will be able to carry concealed without a license beginning on June 13, 2022. Other than school zones where federal law still requires a CHL, nothing changes regarding who can carry, what you can carry (a handgun), or where you can carry. The same rights and responsibilities apply whether you have a CHL or not.
You will no longer be required to “promptly” inform. Current law says that if you are stopped by a law enforcement officer, you must “promptly” inform that officer if you are carrying a concealed handgun. In addition, you must inform every other officer you encounter. When the new law goes into effect, you will need to inform only when or if the officer asks if you are carrying a handgun. And you are obligated to only inform the first officer who asks.
In Ohio, you will no longer be required to carry the CHL. If you choose to obtain a concealed handgun license, you will no longer be required to carry the physical license on your person while carrying a handgun. However, other states may still require you to have your license with you.
After working to get this new law passed, Buckeye Firearms Association has received a lot of questions about how this law will affect people in their everyday lives. Here are the answers to some of the most common questions.

Will Ohio scrap the licensing system?
No. The CHL will continue to be available for those who wish to have it. Those who travel outside of Ohio may want to have a valid license to carry legally in other states. The license simply becomes optional for those who carry a concealed handgun in Ohio.

Will the CHL application process change in any way?
No. The new law does not change anything about the licensing process. The same application, fees, training, and other requirements will remain the same. This is important in order to maintain all the reciprocity agreements with other states.

I applied for an Ohio CHL and was denied. Can I now carry without a license?
No. Nothing changes regarding who can legally carry a concealed handgun. You must still be a “qualifying” adult, meaning you are at least 21 years of age, not prohibited from possessing a firearm under state or federal law, not a fugitive from justice, etc. Refer to the concealed carry manual available at the Ohio Attorney General’s website for more complete information.

Does this change how I carry in my vehicle?
No. You will be able to carry a concealed handgun in your car with or without a CHL. You do not have to unload. You do not have to make the handgun visible. You can have loaded handguns and magazines on your person or stored anywhere in your vehicle.

Does this change how I transport long guns in my vehicle?
No. Carrying concealed, with or without a license, deals with a loaded handgun only. Transporting rifles and shotguns remains the same, meaning you must transport them unloaded, in a closed container, with ammunition in a separate container or closed compartment, in your trunk or in an area not accessible without leaving your vehicle.

Can I carry in a bar, courthouse, church, etc.?
Per federal law, you will still need a CHL to carry in a school zone in your vehicle. If you leave your vehicle, your handgun must be secured and locked in your vehicle. Otherwise, nothing changes about where you can or cannot carry a concealed handgun. Areas that are currently no-carry zones will remain no-carry zones. Property owners will still be able to post no-gun signs.

Can I carry without a license in other states?
That depends on the laws of other states. Ohio law applies to Ohio only. When traveling to other states, you will need to abide by the laws of each state you’re in. References include the Traveler’s Guide to the Firearm Laws of the Fifty States, a book we sell at BuckeyeFirearms.org, and HandgunLaw.us, a website that provides information on the carry laws of each state.

Can non-residents carry concealed without a license?
Yes. While the rules for carrying a concealed handgun remain the same with or without a license, there will be no residency requirement when this law goes into effect. Someone who is otherwise a “qualifying” adult may carry with or without a license whether they reside in Ohio or another state.

Can you conceal rifles and shotguns now?
Surprisingly, someone actually did ask this question. We’re not sure exactly how someone would carry concealed rifles and shotguns other than under a long trench coat. However, the answer is no. Ohio’s concealed carry laws apply to handguns only.

What about storing a handgun in your personal vehicle in an employer’s parking lot?
The new law does not change your right to carry to and from work and to store your handgun in your personally-owned car or truck on company property. Your rights remain the same with or without a CHL. If you drive a company-owned vehicle, your employer may have different rules about whether or not you can carry or store a handgun in their vehicle.

CLICK HERE to download a printable PDF of this article.

Dean Rieck is Executive Director of Buckeye Firearms Association, a former competitive shooter, NRA Patron Member, #1 NRA Recruiter for 2013, business owner and partner with Second Call Defense.

No, what you are in favor of is legislating common sense, which you said can't be done.

There's a difference between legislating common sense and demanding someone who will be carrying a gun have basic training in how to safely handle and fire that gun. But I understand your confusion.

I am not confused. You said you can't legislate common sense, and that taking training is common sense.

Twist and spin it all you like, you wefe finally right about one thing, you can't legislate common sense. Can't help it if you don't like it.

BTW.. how much training did you say should be required? Oh yeah, can't answer a simple question you are passionate about.

Felica, with her sails unfurled.

Correct!!!! It wasn't until I decided to buy an Isreali knock off Hi-Power that I had my first failure to ejects, sorts of problems you don't see every day. I knew how to clear them due to the safety course I took for my CCW.

Nice green at the end.

Article on Cleveland.com..........

Will Ohio’s permitless-carry gun law make the state more or less safe? Here’s what the data says (and what it doesn’t)
Updated: Mar. 26, 2022, 9:39 a.m. | Published: Mar. 26, 2022, 9:39 a.m.

COLUMBUS, Ohio — In mid-June, Ohio will become the 23rd state to allow people to carry a concealed firearm without a permit or training.

The change, signed into law by Gov. Mike DeWine earlier this month, came after dozens of witnesses testified before lawmakers with an arsenal of studies and data supporting their respective sides. Gun-control advocates pointed to analyses and data indicating such a move will lead to more gun crime and violence. Yet, at the same time, proponents touted other research and figures showing that it will not affect or even reduce gun violence.

The problem is, most researchers say it’s far too soon to tell which side is right: 19 of the 23 states (including Ohio) that have permitless carry laws passed them only in the last decade.

Research into the effects of permitless carry “is relatively inconsistent, and no firm conclusions can be drawn from it yet,” Andrew Morral, the leader of Gun Policy in America, a RAND Corporation initiative to understand the effects of gun policies, said in an email. “There are a few new studies specifically looking at permitless carry, but I think they too represent fairly uncertain results.”

Morral said that such uncertainty isn’t necessarily because states experienced little or no effect from a change to permitless carry.

“It may have large effects,” he said. “It’s just that strong research is not yet available to draw firm conclusions.”

Data for/against permitless carry

There are a handful of studies examining the effect of permitless carry. For example, Stanford University law professor John J. Donohue III found that the violent crime rate in Alaska rose since the state passed a permitless-carry law. By his calculations, Alaska’s violent crime rate likely would have fallen without such a law.

On the other hand, a 2022 study by Carlisle Moody of the College of William and Mary and Crime Prevention Research Center and John Lott of the Crime Prevention Research Center found that murder rates in permitless carry states have dropped.

But during Ohio’s legislative debate on the permitless carry bill, Senate Bill 215, much of the data presented by both supporters and opponents involved simply presenting crime trends in states that previously passed similar laws.

John Weber of the National Rifle Association’s Institute for Legislative Action, the most powerful gun manufacturing lobbying organization in America, noted in his testimony that annual murders and other crime went down in some other states after permitless carry (also called “constitutional carry” by supporters) was enacted, including Alaska, Arizona, Wyoming, Kansas and Maine.

Rob Knisley of the Buckeye Firearms Association cited news reports that crime rates in Idaho and West Virginia didn’t change much after permitless carry became law in those states.

Supporters of SB215 also pointed to a 2018 study from the American College of Surgeons that found “no statistically significant association between the liberalization of state-level firearm carry legislation over the last 30 years and the rates of homicides or other violent crime.”

Gun-control advocates, meanwhile, point to states that saw crime rise after passing permitless carry laws. Laura Robertson-Boyd, a volunteer with the Ohio Chapter of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, noted that since Alaska and Arizona passed permitless carry bills in 2010, the rate of aggravated assaults committed with guns in Alaska was up by 92% in 2020 and 52% in Arizona by 2019.

However, there is no analysis about what role, if any, permitless carry played in any of these crime trends, which are influenced by other factors besides conceal-carry laws. As Knisley said during his submitted testimony, “the reporting of raw numbers, in and of themselves, does not necessarily show a direct, causal relationship.”

No consensus on effects of changing gun laws

While there’s little research available on the impact of permitless-carry laws, there is significantly more on the effect of loosening state conceal-carry permit rules, specifically for states that move from a “may issue” state where officials can decide whether to issue a conceal-carry permit to a “shall issue” or “right-to-carry” state where officials must issue a license unless the applicant is a felon or has some other disqualification.

Ohio has been a “shall issue” state since it legalized conceal-carry in 2004.

But the conclusions reached by these studies have been all over the map, and there’s been an ongoing debate for decades about the effects -- if any -- of loosening state gun-control laws.

Several gun-policy researchers gave cleveland.com various reasons why it’s been challenging to reach a consensus.

In 2005, a National Research Council committee of experts found “it is impossible to draw strong conclusions” about whether less restrictive conceal-carry laws reduce violent crime because of, among other things, the “sensitivity of the empirical results to seemingly minor changes in model specification.” That’s still true 17 years later, said Karen Norberg, a psychiatrist and researcher at the National Bureau of Economic Research who served on the 2005 committee.

“I think there are other things going on -- economically, culturally, politically -- that might be a lot more important,” she said in an email interview.

Daniel Webster, director of the Center for Gun Policy and Research at Johns Hopkins University, said in an email that most studies of laws that relax conceal-carry regulations for civilians “have important methodological limitations.”

Webster added: “One cannot simply tally up studies that find right-to-carry laws increase violent crime vs. studies that find the laws decrease violent crime or have no effect.”

That’s because states that pass permissive conceal-carry laws “are very different from those that don’t adopt right-to-carry (laws),” he stated. In addition, he said, there aren’t direct measures of critical factors that drive violence such as gang conflicts or changing drug markets, nor is there data on the types of crimes committed by people with permits or whether those individuals were prohibited from possessing guns or not.

‘These laws increase violent crime’

One 2020 study by Florida State University criminologist Emma Fridel found that firearm homicide rates in “shall issue” and permitless carry states are almost 11% higher than in “may issue” states.

A separate 2019 study led by Donohue states that their data analysis shows that state “right-to-carry” laws “led to increases in violent crime of 13–15% after 10 years, with positive but not statistically significant effects on property crime and murder.”

In an interview, Donohue said that as methodologies improve and more data becomes available about crime in states with loosened conceal-carry laws, “in the last five years, the research has tipped very, very, very strongly in only one direction -- and that is that these laws increase violent crime.”

Donohue said gun-rights groups “muddy the waters” by funding studies showing that relaxing gun laws reduces crime, though he added it’s “a little hard to know” how much that’s the case because researchers don’t always reveal the nature of their funding. There’s also the Dickey Amendment, first passed in 1996, which has prohibited the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from funding research that “may be used to advocate or promote gun control.”

If more people have guns, Donohue said, criminals will arm themselves more frequently. “So that means instead of getting robbed by a guy with a knife or just strongarmed, you’re facing a guy with a gun -- which is obviously a worse situation,” he said.

‘Criminals are actually less likely to ... carry guns’

Lott painted the exact opposite picture. “When civilians can go and carry guns defensively, criminals are actually less likely to go and carry guns,” he said in an interview. “When civilians have a gun...they know things can escalate at that point, and so they go and try to commit crimes more frequently in other ways.”

Lott also said that while economists and criminologists tend to be more skeptical that gun control reduces crimes, public-health officials usually believe in the benefits of passing gun regulations.

And despite the Dickey Amendment, Lott said public-health officials get millions in funding from the federal government because they say their research isn’t used to promote gun control. He said that pro-gun control academics also get a lot of support from anti-gun groups.

One significant indication that warnings about the dire consequences of loosening gun laws aren’t coming true, Lott said, is that states that have passed permitless carry laws have made no attempt to repeal them.

“If their constituents – whether it be police, whether it be others – say, ‘Look, we’re having real problems with this,’ don’t you think there would be at least somebody who you wouldn’t have to convince very hard to put up bills to undo it,” Lott said.

One thing is clear, though: gun deaths in Ohio have been trending upward as gun laws loosened over the past 15 years. In 2020, a record 1,764 people in Ohio died from firearms, and 1,762 died from firearms in 2021, according to state health department statistics provided to the Ohio Capital Journal.

Heather Vallier, a former orthopedic trauma surgeon at MetroHealth Hospital in Cleveland, said that the number of gunshot cases at MetroHealth has generally been about three times as high as before the coronavirus crisis began in 2020. Vallier said she believes the reason for such increases in cases includes several variables, including people buying more guns.

“I don’t think this (permitless carry) law is going to necessarily affect the (rate of) suicides,” said Vallier, herself a gun owner. “It could influence homicides, but it probably won’t change it all that much. That’s because most gun violence in Cleveland, she said, involves unregistered weapons.”

Hopefully, Vallier said, even though Ohio eliminated conceal-carry training requirements under SB215, gun owners will be encouraged to take training on how to use a firearm. “Because it’s easy to be naïve about that and underestimate what it takes to handle a gun properly,” she said.

Daniel Webster sat in front of the MD General Assembly and, under oath, admitted to cherry picking statistics to further Bloombergs gun control initiatives.