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I don't see any realistic way that we shop Quinn.
We eat all signing bonus money immediately if we do... I don't see that happening.
How much Signing Bonus Money we give em'???
5 yr and 20.2M...7.75 Guaranteed...
How much is actual Signing Bonus Money that will ACCELERATE to a hit if traded???
Don't guess...Cause 7.75M Guaranteed doesn't mean the balance accelerates on a trade...
Lay-out the contract breakdown and we can get close...I've given up doing the contract thang...TIRING with the new Cap Max's...No need for it...
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I'll give credit where its due ... always have ... u wanna know where I think DA deserves credit just ask .. I'll be more than happy to tell U .. we disagree but your not a blind dolt like most ...
I don't lump U in with the blind dolts so please don't lump me in with the hate crowd ...
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and u wonder why folks with brains know u have zero credibility .....
I don't wonder that at all.
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DA is for real,....even if he turns out to be less than spectacular,..he'll still be a hot comodity.
Yes,..DA has weapons and an OL,...so do the elite QB's in this league, but that doesn't seem to taint their successes.
I would like to see us keep DA for 1 more year,...that let's us get a better look at BQ before we have to make that HUGE decision,...there's no need to rush anything this year,...time is on our side.
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Ya .. this guy knows what hes talking about ... just ask Daman ......
So,, you know more than an NFL Head Coach,,,,,? Interesting!
I have no idea if any team will actually give up a 1st and 3rd for Anderson. But Solid QB's are hard to come by... Ask any browns fan that's paid attention since 1999.. plenty of false hopes,,, But nothing like DA till now!
So I'm guessing it's possible that some team might bite the bullett and put out the picks to get him... NOTE: The word I used was " POSSIBLE"!
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I didnt lol Its easy to spot the hate DA crowd they are terrified that DA will do good.
I just see the answer lies somewhere in between. DA 10 years ago wouldnt have made a decent #2. Right now he is in the 2nd group of QBs behind Farve, Brady and Manning. He just picked the right time to be decent.
I just dont think most understand how bad the qb play is in the national football league. I can understand why a lot are gaga over Anderson because he is better than most of the qbs in the NFL.
He is gonna get a big money contract with someone. It isnt gonna be with the Browns. If it wasnt for thoughts of trading Anderson after this season Brady Quinn would be starting right now. Savage has a little piggy he is trying to faten up for the spring market lol If we do make the playoffs that little piggy will have a blue ribbon to increase his value.
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Yes,..DA has weapons and an OL,...so do the elite QB's in this league, but that doesn't seem to taint their successes.
A good point some seem to ignore.
I can't think of very many Good qbs who didn't have good talent around them.
Archie Manning maybe.
I don't think I have ever said Quinn should be traded or anything like that.....I just find it goofy how so many can ignore what is happening.
You would think this would be a happy time for most.
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You might be right.
You mentioned a top 10 pick earlier...you think a team in the top 10 would make that trade??
My feeling is the action will come from teams in maybe the late teens or somewhere in the twenties.
Whatever we end up doing, I just hope it is the right thing.
If we trade DA......BQ better be ready to come out and do better....and he might be able to do that.
The ideal is Quinn sees some action this year......just as it would have been best if we had taken a longer look at DA last year.
I don't care what BQ does in practice or in pre-season games. Real games is the measuring stick.
What needs to happen is we keep DA one more year one way or the other to see if he can maintain....then Quinn is one more year into his contract....that isn't that high since he isn't getting snaps.
We have a hard decision to make.
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I think that is exactly what is going on ... and folks, with as easy as our schedule is this year, DA's value will peak in January. Turning down trade offers and hanging on to him through next year would be foolhardy.
DinD... I'm not gonna bother finding the numbers... it is exactly what I said it was: All signing bonus money would be an instant hit against us. I have no idea how much that is, but simply because of it, unless we were offered a king's ransom in draft picks, it ain't happening..... and that ain't even taking into account the whole thing where we just traded up to nab him, the local hero boy. GM's just don't trade that away because some guy comes out of nowhere and has a good year.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I think the big 2 teams that would love to have DA is Minn and Chicago. They have enough to win with if they only had a QB. A rookie QB isnt going to help them.
Coaches without a lot are coaches that will go with the rookie QB like Woodson and Brohm. it will buy them a little time.
this is why we arent likely to see a first and third someone buying DA but a trade before hand and DA goes to highest bidder.
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I could see ATL going for it too... Anderson is the big armed QB that Vick was, but he is also the pocket passing QB that Vick never would be.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I am not 100% certain about the details of being a restricted FA, so feel free to correct me.
I think the time is now, not after another year. I think that since he is a RFA this offseason, that if we sign him to that tender, a one year deal, than he will be a FA no restrictions next year. that means we would have to franchise him to get something for him. Like I said, please correct me.
So if what i was thinking is correct, the only way we get any kind of value from him is if we make a move this offseason.
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I think that is exactly what is going on ... and folks, with as easy as our schedule is this year, DA's value will peak in January. Turning down trade offers and hanging on to him through next year would be foolhardy.
I do agree that is something to consider.
On the other hand.....if we do and Quinn struggles, we can't use the harder schedule as an excuse.
But, being positive.......he won't.
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"You would think this would be a happy time for most."
Its a very difficult thing to admit when you're wrong.That maybe especially true for those MB HOF'er who have built a reputation as all -knowing football minds.
I was wrong,dumb and dumber I called them.And he was in second place.I'm amazed at the growth he has shown in less than a year.I only wish he were perfect,then he would be on an even playing field with Quinn.The unproven rookie who has yet to take a snap,but we're being told he would do a much better job of scoring 30 points a game.
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I think the big 2 teams that would love to have DA is Minn and Chicago. They have enough to win with if they only had a QB. A rookie QB isnt going to help them.
Coaches without a lot are coaches that will go with the rookie QB like Woodson and Brohm. it will buy them a little time.
this is why we arent likely to see a first and third someone buying DA but a trade before hand and DA goes to highest bidder.
Gonna be a SUPERB offseason...
Turner
Haynesworth...FINGERS CROSSED
Anderson...FINGERS CROSSED...
We're in great hands regardless how much u despise Crennel... 
Gonna be GREAT to be a Browns fan for the next 4 or 5 years folks!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I think you are on about the tags and such.
We can still trade him.....up to the deadline anyway.
I agree....a franchise tag is a bit overboard. If we do that, that means we want to stick with the guy for the long haul.
IMO if we tender him a 1st and 3rd, that means we will think heavily about the picks and not matching. If we tender him low, that probably means we plan to match just about anything offered and keep him for at least 1 more season.
But I admit, it is hard to apply logic to that as i can also see it any of several ways.
Who knows??? Makes for lively talk no doubt.
Bottom line is i don't care who we keep as long as whoever we do ends up being the better player. If we really don't know at this point, we better keep them both until we are sure.
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One thing that I'm not geting here is Why can't we sign DA to QB for a few years. I mean everyone says---"we can't do that he will want starters money, or he will be given a higher premium to play somewhere else, or he won't want to be a back-up."
Yet these are often the same folks who talk about how inconsistent, overrated, and overvalued DA is.
So which is it? Is he worth the money or not? And if he's not, and you people can see that---then why is an organization going to put all there eggs in that basket?
I just see a ridiculous double standard in the arguments being made here: He's not that good---but he's too good to re-sign. He can't play---but teams are going to go after him. WTH?
I think that we will keep him a couple years, I don't see why we wouldn't. This whole idea that we can't keep him and Quinn is ludicrous. He can start while we develop Quinn.
According to most on here, DA doesn't deserve premium money---so why would teams lay it out for him.
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if we tender him a 1st and 3rd, that means we will think heavily about the picks and not matching. If we tender him low, that probably means we plan to match just about anything offered and keep him for at least 1 more season.
Peen...Get a grip on the "Tender" thang...
If we tender him a 1st or 1st and 3rd...The team we deal with is gonna have a SERIOUS contract on the table...That means they LOVE em'...For whatever reason...WE WILL NOT MATCH IT...Take the picks and be done with it...There's WAY 2 much cap space floating around to where it becomes financial...IT'S ALL ABOUT THE PICKS...
If we tender him LOW...GOODBYE Anderson for NOTHING but a 6th rounder...The round he was drafted in...And that would be IGNORANT...Savage won't do that...BANK IT...He knows WTF is going on...
U guys kill me...We're in GREAT HANDS...The dude savaged the Offensive Line this year...He KNOWS what's wrong with this Defense...He KNOWS Lewis is gone after this year...He'll do what he can with it...
It's a GREAT TIME to be on the Lakefront!!!!...Playoffs are coming to the Cleveland Area....And u can thank Savage AND Crennel for that!!!!!!!!!!
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If u wait a year we will end up playing the Colts, Jags, Texans, Titans, Cowboys, Redskins, Eagles and Giants along with our own tough division with Baltimore and Cinn not likely to stink again next year.
DA's numbers are sure to drop as is the Browns record. You go from getting a first for him to another situation like Frye where if u get a 6th u feel like u ripped someone off.
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If u wait a year we will end up playing the Colts, Jags, Texans, Titans, Cowboys, Redskins, Eagles and Giants along with our own tough division with Baltimore and Cinn not likely to stink again next year.
DA's numbers are sure to drop as is the Browns record. You go from getting a first for him to another situation like Frye where if u get a 6th u feel like u ripped someone off.
wow.. u sound pretty sure of yourself..
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If u wait a year we will end up playing the Colts, Jags, Texans, Titans, Cowboys, Redskins, Eagles and Giants along with our own tough division with Baltimore and Cinn not likely to stink again next year.
DA's numbers are sure to drop as is the Browns record. You go from getting a first for him to another situation like Frye where if u get a 6th u feel like u ripped someone off.
GMAFB...
How can u possibly project any team for 2008???
U CAN'T...
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umm I said before the season that we had by far the easiest schedule. In fact I said we couldnt have picked an easier schedule if we tried. I also said without Frye and Romeo we had a chance to go 11-5. pretty good batting average :P
So apparently I can lol
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If u wait a year we will end up playing the Colts, Jags, Texans, Titans, Cowboys, Redskins, Eagles and Giants along with our own tough division with Baltimore and Cinn not likely to stink again next year.
DA's numbers are sure to drop as is the Browns record. You go from getting a first for him to another situation like Frye where if u get a 6th u feel like u ripped someone off.
GMAFB...
How can u possibly project any team for 2008???
U CAN'T...
It's not that far-fetched if you think about it logically.
I was screaming at the top of my lungs the 9ers and Jets would suck this year. Simple deductive reasoning is all it took. One of the main factors was their easy schedules the year before.
Simple deductive reasoning...same as Mourg is doing.
There are many wildcards about this offseason, but I for one am worried about a 9ers/Jets type of down year after playing well the previous year.
The one saving grace I do think we have is there is some legitimate Pro Bowl talent on this team whereas the Jets and 9ers have none.
But next year we will have a tougher schedule, and we have seen how we play against inferior teams this year...down to the wire.
The wildcard is the offseason...how well we do...and how quickly it can come together...also everyone staying healthy.
But I don't think it is at all out of the question if we take a step back next year...with a leap to consistent success the following year.
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Thats exactly what has been going through my mind. Savage has done a great job with this team. We are actually a contender now. It is a great time to be a Cleveland fan. The Indians will make the playoffs, the Cavs could go far, and the Browns are going to be contending. To me it is simple, we offer DA the highest tender, if someone makes him an offer we take the first and third and be done with it. We get a stud D-Linemen, some linebackers, a running back, and maybe a corner. Then we are without a doubt legitimate contenders. That first and third could be very big. That could get us a good/great d-lineman and a solid running back. Or we could get two d-linemen. Or we could get a d-lineman and a linebacker. Those picks will be huge for the Browns. I have no doubt that BQ will be able to play better than DA. No way BQ will miss those short throws that DA is constantly missing. His arm is nearly as strong, he has much better accuracy and touch. His mobility/athleticism is much better and he has the same pocket presence. Not to mention that he is a very smart player and will not make stupid throws. He will not choke like DA seemed to do against Pit and he is a natural leader. IMO the Cleveland Browns will benifit the most if we give up DA this offseason.
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Right now he is in the 2nd group of QBs behind Farve, Brady and Manning. He just picked the right time to be decent.
I just dont think most understand how bad the qb play is in the national football league. I can understand why a lot are gaga over Anderson because he is better than most of the qbs in the NFL.
Thats where we disagree ... I watch almost every game in the NFL every week ... I know howbad the QBing is in the NFL .... and theres a reason for that ... theres alot of bad QB's in the league .. and IMO DA is right there with most of them ... I FIRMLY BELIEVE that 95% of the starting QB's could step into our situation this year and do as good or better than DA .. they would do it DIFFERENTLY but their end result would be the same of better ..
if u give even a WELL BELOW AVG. QB TIME he will pick U apart ... thats pretty much a given ... not only are we giving Da a TON OF TIME he has a top 5 recieving group in the NFL .. other than NE I don't think theres another team that can come close to that combo ... NOT EVEN CLOSE ...
Peenie I am THRILLED I am just not BRAIN DEAD ... sorry I have a clue ..
BCBrownie .. not sure if I;m dumb or dumber or even one of them .. but feel free to call me the stupidest football mind on the face of the earth if u wish .... IF and WHEN DA proves me wrong i will gladly admit it .. but chances are he NEVER WILL ....
he has not done anything yet .. NOT A DAMM THIING ... again .. sorry that I have a clue and your easily sold a bill of goods .. i'm just gald i am me ... i am THRILLED at how this season is going .. just INTELLIGENT enough to know why ..
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If u wait a year we will end up playing the Colts, Jags, Texans, Titans, Cowboys, Redskins, Eagles and Giants along with our own tough division with Baltimore and Cinn not likely to stink again next year.
DA's numbers are sure to drop as is the Browns record. You go from getting a first for him to another situation like Frye where if u get a 6th u feel like u ripped someone off.
I agree...but look at this situation as a GM...from an org standpoint:
- how is a 1st year QB look like with that schedule? If we reach the POs this year and then go back to 4-6 wins with Quinn....what good is it for the stability of the franchise? Heads will roll...Chud might leave (if he doesnt already after this season), playmakers wont re-sign (BE, KW), FAs wont come etc
- how will the locker room react to an eventual DA trade?
- who will back up Quinn next season? 2 talented QBs are better than 1
As much as I agree with your DA assessment and value etc. I just dont think it´s the smartest thing to trade him.....it would be very risky and Im not sure it would be wise....
I think we´ll franchise-tag him AND shop him...and only if the price is right, we´ll pull the trigger....everybody will save their face in this sceanrio. "Only" tendering him would not....
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I watch almost every game in the NFL every week ...
How many hours are in your day?
That's pretty cool if you can do that.
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I have the NFL network and they have shortcuts .. U can watch an entire game (every play) in 30 minutes .. I record them and watch them at my convienance throughout the course of the week .... sometimes I get to them all ... sometimes I don't ... depends on my time and if the game actually interests me ... like this week I may not get to the Niners/Lambs or the Iggles/Fish game .. although I may wanna take a peek at Beck or Bock or whatever the hell his name is ... and the Faider/Vikes game may just be to painful to watch .. *LOL* ...
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You know that's not a bad idea. I've also got the NFL Network and could probably make this work.
However, I thought they only picked certain games to replay, not every game.
That's a good way to keep up with the rest of the league.
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Its not the NFL Replay on NFL Network .. its part of the super fan/hd package and its called NFL shortcuts .. there on 728 and 729 .... they start Sunday night after the game and run till like 8 or so Monday night then start up again after the Monday night game and run till ... well not sure when they run to .. I;m always through taping by Tuesday Morning ..
only game they don't have is the Monday night game ...
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We can tender him a 1st rounder. I think there is even a 2nd round tender.
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j/c.. Okay guys....Help me here...We have a QB...who has not started a full season yet...Including last seasons starts.... The most projected wins from the sports community was to see the Browns below or at .500 at seasons end...Which can still happen....Or it can be a play -off scenario...who knows... DA by far is doing a great job...Theres a new line in place....And look at Kw`s and BE`s Stats.....Hell for awhile they were in the top 5....if they still are`nt.....Da was second to Tom Brady in Td passes...... Why would you want to trade him... You expect a top pick so the team can go get the top D player it needs....no way... The mentor and veteran Ken Dorsey ....It`s time for his departure....look at the value he has in stowed upon himself...He taught DA how to play the game the best he could...Right......teams need guys like ken to mentor their young QB`s..... Lets have a good Qb with a good back up ....But to trade off a guy who has the house rock`n again is crazy....Again it`s a team game....and this team is playing this game well....  ...not always pretty...but I enjoy walking out of the house with a win....and 4 wins in the house is pretty awesome.....
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Yup, I'm pretty sure that's correct.
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Here it is ... it was real tough to locate .. I had to go all the way to the information section on this forum .. I realize thats a diffucult task for some ...  i) For Restricted Free Agents with three Accrued Seasons (Capped Years): (1) Right of First Refusal: one year player contract with paragraph 5 salary of at least $721,600 for the 2006 League Year, $850,000 for the 2007 League Year, $927,000 for the 2008 League Year, $1,010,000 for the 2009 League Year, $1,101,000 for the 2010 League Year, $1,200,000 for the 2011 League Year, or $1,308,000 for the 2012 League Year, as applicable; (2) Right of First Refusal and Draft Selection at Player’s Original Draft Round: one year Player Contract with a paragraph 5 salary of at least (a) the amount set forth in Subsection (b)(i)(1) above, or (b) 110% of the player’s prior year’s paragraph 5 salary, whichever is greater, in addition, if option (b) applies, all other terms of the player’s prior year contract are carried forward unchanged (this subsection is subject to the rules of Subsection (c) below); (3) Right of First Refusal, One Second Round Draft Selection: one year Player Contract with a paragraph 5 salary of at least (a) $1,300,000 in the 2007 League Year, $1,417,000 in the 2008 League Year, $1,545,000 in the 2009 League Year, $1,684,000 in the 2010 League Year, $1,835,000 in the 2011 League Year, or $2,000,000 in the 2012 League Year, as applicable, or (b) 110% of the player’s prior year’s paragraph 5 salary, whichever is greater, in addition, if option (b) applies, all other terms of the player’s prior year contract are carried forward unchanged; (4) Right of First Refusal and One First Round Draft Selection: one year Player Contract with a paragraph 5 salary of at least (a) $1,573,000 for the 2006 League Year, $1,850,000 for the 2007 League Year, $2,017,000 for the 2008 League Year, $2,198,000 for the 2009 League Year, $2,396,000 for the 2010 League Year, $2,611,000 for the 2011 League Year, or $2,846,000 for the 2012 League Year, as applicable, or (b) 110% of the player’s prior year’s paragraph 5 salary, whichever is greater, in addition, if option (b) applies, all other terms of the player’s prior year contract are carried forward unchanged. (5) Right of First Refusal, One First Round Draft Selection, and One Third Round Draft Selection: one year Player Contract with a Paragraph 5 Salary of at least (a) $2,096,600 for the 2006 League Year, $2,350,000 for the 2007 League Year, $2,562,000 for the 2008 League Year, $2,792,000 for the 2009 League Year, $3,043,000 for the 2010 League Year, $3,317,000 for the 2011 League Year, or $3,616,000 for the 2012 League Year, as applicable, or (b) 110% of the player’s prior year’s Paragraph 5 Salary, whichever is greater, in addition, if option (b) applies, all other terms of the player’s prior year contract are carried forward unchanged.
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It's a real catch 22 for the organization. You got a first rounder invested in Quinn and then DA goes and gets hot. You'd hate to trade Quin and he becomes the next Johnny Unitas or something and you hate to trade Anderson as it seems he's hitting stride and should be fairly solid.
Work on your short tosses DA!!
Unless somebody comes at them with a top 15 to replace what will be given I don't see Quinn going. Too much invested at this point. Will he want to play second fiddle for long? Probably not. Same would most likely go for DA.
Which do you roll the dice on?
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What we do not know, or have not heard is how Quinn is progressing with respect to learning Chuds system. Typically the backup QB takes 20 percent of the snaps during a weeks preparation. I would be interested to see what was happening during those snaps, as Quinn should look like the second coming of Marino against the Browns D.  The value of a stable OL is a primary contributor to DA's sucess. Last year DA was on his rump more in one game than in this season. Remeber he got hurt as well. That plus the fact that the recievers have help him with great catches, more than hurt him with drops, Edwards included. DA defies a couple of the tried an true adages, He throws into tight coverages, can throw off his back foot, and he relies on his arm. This is not necessarily a bad thing, If a QB can do this, then he has a higher, not lower market value, as this is called "making plays." That guy in Green Bay has made a pretty good career out of doing the same thing. Diam, you a good man, but wow, As a minimum, the Browns should be able to get a first, and maybe the first and third for Anderson. That is the reality, the more he has good games, the more teams in need of a QB will be looking at him. There is one thing that will become very attractive to other NFL teams, they do not have to project how DA will translate to the NFL, as he will have games to review and analyze. Teams will like the fact that he does not take sacks. This makes him a much safer investment for a team in need of a QB.
Welcome back, Joe, we missed you!…. That did not age well.
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Good read.
Funny how people in the know all seem to think Anderson is playing well but a good portion of the board seem to always find something wrong.
I know who I am going to listen to on such matters.
What kills me is that so many who said that other QBs could be good, except for their supporting cast now reverse course on Anderson, and (almost) say that the offense is good in spite of him. 
Take people like Phil Simms. He stated during our game against the Steelers that he had watched a lot of Anderson's play .... and that he could make all of the throws, and he was impressed with him. He also said that receivers weren't getting open in the 2nd half.
Now, I think that Phil Simms knows a little about QB play.
Every national talking head that mentions Anderson's name extolls his virtues.
It s only in his hometown that he gets shredded by fans.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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What kills me is that so many who said that other QBs could be good, except for their supporting cast now reverse course on Anderson,
Trust me...that hasn't gone over my head, but any time I come close to that subject it stirs up the Bees, so I try to stay away.
Let's just say...I agree.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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As a minimum, the Browns should be able to get a first, and maybe the first and third for Anderson. That is the reality, the more he has good games, the more teams in need of a QB will be looking at him.
No C...
The REALITY is everyone wants to see the rest of the season play out...
If the season ended this past week anyone would be IGNORANT to give up a 1st round pick for Anderson...That's if they know WTF they're looking at on game film...Or if they even LOOK at film and not the STATS so many are enamoured with...
The only way we get any action on Anderson is if we continue to win and he displays any sort of ACCURACY the rest of the way...50% ain't gonna cut it with anyone that knows anything about a QB...Especially when he has ALL DAY TO THROW...
And as Diam said...3 OUTSTANDING RECEIVERS...
Go Browns!!!
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Every national talking head that mentions Anderson's name extolls his virtues.
And every one of em' uses the word "ACCURATE" in the same sentence...
That tells me they look at STATS and our RECORD and NOTHING else...
I'd love Anderson too if I never watched a game...
Go Browns!!!
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