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And the scUM of Ann Arbor once again succumb to their Daddy Jim Tressell! What a defensive performance. I'm glad Hart and Henne came back as seniors just for that!
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What a classic OSU V Mich Big Ten slobberknocker.
Michigan hung tough but the better team won.
Did Hart play today? Oy yeah he did but I hardly noticed except for when the punk was running his mouth.
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What a great win did we pass in the second half??? I think maybe twice? And HART???? Jaw all you want son... you just got owned! I'm so happy Hart and Henne came back for their senior year for this!!! HAHAHA I did feel bad for Manningham that he was getting booed at the end of the gam... tough to get into a game when the QB can't put one on the money and when he finaly does you drop one... . he didn't deserve to get booed. He's had a heck of a year Thanks Llyod! I was happy to send you off with a 6-7 record against the Bucks!!!!  Ok... Go Cincy! Go Texas Tech! Go Iowa State! Go Ol Miss!
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Well, this game was a microcosm of Lloyd Carr's terrible finish (please God) to his coaching career. It was a perfect display of how stubborn he is: He continually carted out a QB that obviously shouldn't have been out there. You let him go out of the game, get another shot in his shoulder and then return to the game? Even when Mallet was displaying probably twice the zip on his passes? I understand the guys a senior but a hurt Henne didn't give us a better chance then the healthy Mallett. Maybe in a dry game but not under the circumstances of today's game. The offense was predictable all day. Run on 1st. Short pass on 2nd. Poor protection on 3rd. I felt like Mo Carthon was the OC today. We never used any of our younger players when the upper classmen weren't getting it done. There's plenty of talent on this roster but Carr continues to stick with guys who have put in their time, no matter how average they are. Manningham should have been benched for atleast a series when he continually dropped crucial passes. I really hope the guy goes to the NFL because I've soured terribly on his incredibly bad attitude. The guy is just an absolute punk. He was yelling at Mallett last week and then just ***** the bed against OSU. Go make some money Mario. UM racked up penalties that continually killed any semblance of a drive and/or field position. Every damn time UM got a first down they followed it up with a hold. It was one of the most undisciplined performances I've ever seen from a Michigan team. That had to be the worst combined QB play in the history of college football.  Ii Lloyd Carr doesn't step down, I honestly may not watch college football next season. The guy is running the best program in college football history right in to the ground. Congrats to OSU and hopefully it was the final nail in Carr's coffin.
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did we pass in the second half??? I think maybe twice?
And HART???? Jaw all you want son... you just got owned!
I'm so happy Hart and Henne came back for their senior year for this!!! HAHAHA
I did feel bad for Manningham that he was getting booed at the end of the gam... tough to get into a game when the QB can't put one on the money and when he finaly does you drop one... . he didn't deserve to get booed. He's had a heck of a year
Thanks Llyod! I was happy to send you off with a 6-7 record against the Bucks!!!!
Ok... Go Cincy! Go Texas Tech! Go Iowa State! Go Ol Miss!
Everything I wanted to say Jay....except...
FOUR GOLD PANTS FOR THE SENIORS
A national championship and now this!! I was barely old enough to remember the last time. What a remarkable day. Hart talks the talk and Beanie does the walk!
GLORIOUS DAY FOR THE BUCKEYES
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I was so happy to win just to such Hart up... the boy is a HECK of a running back... one of the best UM has ever had... but damn he runs his mouth... the guarentee wins... the jarring at other players and even his coach last week... I was tired of the guy. I know he was trying to be a vocal leader, but damn dude... shut the hell up! You just got shut DOWN! I don't know if he was hurt or not, and I hope to hell he doesn't come out and blame his performace on being hurt... but he got owned today
Nas - I agree with you on the QB... I was surprised as HELL when Lloyd got talked into lettting Chad back out there... I knew for a fact we were going to win when that happened... no way Chad was going to bring them back... though I will say the Freshman had a lot of zip... but he only made one accurate pass... the rest were either behind his receivers or low. It'll be interesting to see how that kid matures, because he has the talent, but he needs to get a bit smarter with his playing.
UM should be alright... they have a pretty recruiting class coming in. Big time running back from Texas going there. Will be interesting to see who is coaching next year. I think Carr either steps down on his own or is forced to step down. He had a good career there. One NC, beat OSU 6x, and a good winning percentage... just fell apart down the stretch...
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It's hard to say.
I think based on reputation they may go to the Capital One bowl but I'm not exactly sure how it works (or if they deserve it). If that's the case we'll get the SEC #2. Boy, that won't be pretty. UM is the Big Ten #2 (via head to head tie breaker) but I'm not sure if the bowl gets to choose? If they do, I could see them opting for Illinois, who has been hot down the stretch.
As for Hart. I love the guy but he just looked stupid today. His OL played terrible but that's also a credit to OSU's front 7. When you get tackled for a 3 yard loss you need to STFU and walk back to the huddle.
My coaching wish list would include Les Miles, Brian Kelly and Chuck Martin. Martin is the obvious longshot from GVSU but he's a hell of a coach and some outside influence could do the program some good.
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Thanks for the reply Nas.
I was talking with my Dad after the game and he was saying he heard some sports radio people talking wondering if they would make the Motor City Bowl... which I thought was a bit beneath them.
I had forgot about the Capital One Bowl... I was thinking they'd be in the Outback but really wasn't sure where they finished up in the Big Ten
Guess if they have ot play the #2 SEC team that'd be probably Georgia or Florida... or LSU if they somehow lose in the national champ game.
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Nas - I agree with you on the QB... I was surprised as HELL when Lloyd got talked into lettting Chad back out there... I knew for a fact we were going to win when that happened... no way Chad was going to bring them back... though I will say the Freshman had a lot of zip... but he only made one accurate pass... the rest were either behind his receivers or low. It'll be interesting to see how that kid matures, because he has the talent, but he needs to get a bit smarter with his playing.
I have this feeling that Henne laid it all out on the line and said "Coach, I came back for this." and Carr may be a horrible coach against the Bucks, but I think it was a sign of character to let his senior go out and give his last breath out there for his team. He may never get that feeling again, even if it is defeat.
I know you play to win the game, but Mallett wasn't gonna win the game with the way the Bucks D was playing. In the bigger picture you gotta let your men go out and and have no regrets in their last game.
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Yeah, it will probably be the Outback or the Capital One. I thought the Capital One was the Big Ten #2 but it may be flip-flopped. They'll be in one of the 2. The Motor City is essentially for the last Big Ten team chosen in the bowl structure. While Michigan had a very average season with 4 losses......it wasn't quite THAT bad.
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I can see that Ammo... but if the guy was hurt then he had no buisness being out there... senior or no...
if he was already hurt, he could have been seriously hurt if he got hit just right...
but I agree that even with Mallet I don't think they were going to come back, so you might as well stick with the senior
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Nas - I agree with you on the QB... I was surprised as HELL when Lloyd got talked into lettting Chad back out there... I knew for a fact we were going to win when that happened... no way Chad was going to bring them back... though I will say the Freshman had a lot of zip... but he only made one accurate pass... the rest were either behind his receivers or low. It'll be interesting to see how that kid matures, because he has the talent, but he needs to get a bit smarter with his playing.
I have this feeling that Henne laid it all out on the line and said "Coach, I came back for this." and Carr may be a horrible coach against the Bucks, but I think it was a sign of character to let his senior go out and give his last breath out there for his team. He may never get that feeling again, even if it is defeat.
I know you play to win the game, but Mallett wasn't gonna win the game with the way the Bucks D was playing. In the bigger picture you gotta let your men go out and and have no regrets in their last game.
Regardless of what Henne says, Carr needs to protect his players. He also needs to coach to give his TEAM the best chance to win. He did neither IMO. What if Henne ruined his shoulder after he came back in?
I disagree that Henne gave UM a better chance to win. Atleast not today. He couldn't throw the ball more the 10 yards down field and even then, he couldn't finish his throws causing them to sail high. OSU's defense is good but when you can sit on every route, knowing the QB can't throw the ball down-field, it gives your offense no chance what so ever. Henne had players open down-field but couldn't get the ball to them. The one throw to Manningham was a struggle to get it to travel 35 yards.
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awesome game, this was more of an ohio state/michigan game, when compared to last year...
the ground game today was amazing, obviously
the bucks attempted 2 passes in the second half and didn't complete one of them, somewhere, woody hayes is smiling, and bickering about how that is the way you're supposed to play the game...
i can't blame lloyd carr for letting henne continue to play when he was in obvious pain, i don't think mallett would have done much better, if any michigan fan wants to point the finger, point it at the offensive line for not protecting whatever qb was under center, and for not letting their star running back do his thing
i don't really care about mike hart 's trash talking, he's always been like that, and if that's what he needs to do to get him, and his teammates going, then so be it, it didn't matter though, he wasn't give much of a chance, i still think he's a hell of a football player, and maybe a guy the browns could look at for the draft
vernon gholston is an animal, i really hope he sticks around for another year...
the same goes for malcom jenkins.
as far as ohio state's defense goes, they were great, but today proved that the buckeyes have a great defense, but they need to work on containing the mobile qb... the 2005 defense lost to vince young and texas, but they were able to get him to play one of his worst games as a longhorn... that's the kind of defense ohio state will need, should they play a mobile qb in their bowl game, and going into next year, when they have to deal with juice williams, and a few other quarterbacks that can run, and i don't know if i'm sold on this defense quite yet, even with as amazing they played today, they caught some breaks by facing a team that was banged up at several key positions.
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Either this is an opinion, or you forgot to put some kind of time/era, or other qualifying parameter on it.
No problem when you just talk about winning percentage, but that alone doesn't make the best program of all time. I'd give my vote to Notre Dame before I give it to Michigan.
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Regardless of what Henne says, Carr needs to protect his players. He also needs to coach to give his TEAM the best chance to win. He did neither IMO.
I disagree that Henne gave UM a better chance to win. He couldn't throw the ball more the 10 yards down field and even then, he couldn't finish his throws causing them to sail high. OSU's defense is good but when you can sit on every route, knowing the QB can't throw the ball down-field, it gives your offense no chance what so ever. Henne had players open down-field but couldn't get the ball to them. The one throw to Manningham was a struggle to get it to travel 35 yards.
I know what you're saying and if it was my call Mallett would have stayed in the game. Henne no doubt had no business in there.
But if you've ever been in his shoes, injured senior doing anything for that one last shot knowing you may never get it again, you would hope your coach has the faith in your character as a man and a player to conquer the odds.
I've been there so I sympathize with Henne, fortunately our last games ended in victories rather than defeat.
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LSU and WV both lose and Kansas wins out? (includes wins over missouri and Oklahoma)
Don't see how is COULDN'T, ....EXCEPT for a big Arizona State jump over OSU as nas320 has pointed out a few times.
They won't get past USC, so YES,....your premise would work just fine.
As I have said a few (thousand) times before in earlier/other threads, the only way Ohio State makes it to The Show at all, is if LSU and WVa BOTH lose.
However, to re-qualify with the Michigan win, it might not be necessary for WVa to lose if they play real, real close and just win by the skin of their nose,...you never know about pollsters. They are pretty damn fickle.
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Either this is an opinion, or you forgot to put some kind of time/era, or other qualifying parameter on it.
No problem when you just talk about winning percentage, but that alone doesn't make the best program of all time. I'd give my vote to Notre Dame before I give it to Michigan.
Well I would base it on wins, National Titles, Conference Championships, etc.
They've won more games then ND, have a better winning %, the same number of National Titles and more conference championships. How that would make you give your vote to Notre Dame doesn't make a whole lot of sense IMO but it's not something I even want to argue about.
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What conference is ND in?  But it is kind of sad that OSU has to win 16 more times (straight) to tie the all-time record with UM... hopefully Tressel can coach for 20 more years
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Regardless of what Henne says, Carr needs to protect his players. He also needs to coach to give his TEAM the best chance to win. He did neither IMO.
I disagree that Henne gave UM a better chance to win. He couldn't throw the ball more the 10 yards down field and even then, he couldn't finish his throws causing them to sail high. OSU's defense is good but when you can sit on every route, knowing the QB can't throw the ball down-field, it gives your offense no chance what so ever. Henne had players open down-field but couldn't get the ball to them. The one throw to Manningham was a struggle to get it to travel 35 yards.
I know what you're saying and if it was my call Mallett would have stayed in the game. Henne no doubt had no business in there.
But if you've ever been in his shoes, injured senior doing anything for that one last shot knowing you may never get it again, you would hope your coach has the faith in your character as a man and a player to conquer the odds.
No, I understand that Ammo I just disagree that a coach owes anything to a single player. It's a team game. While Henne has been a great player for UM I don't think you blindly cart him out there when he's not 100%. I can see why he would let him go back in, I just don't agree with it at all. I got the sense that the entire offense was being dragged down by an incapable QB. Their body language was bad the entire second half.
Mallett seemed to provide some lift in the huddle and then when Henne returned, everyone kind of looked around and thought, is this guys really going back in?
Would it have made a difference? Who knows. I'm not saying UM would have won, I just think our odds would have been a little bit better. OSU's defense played great, so it could have gotten worse with a young guy in their but with no threat to throw downfield, OSU could just hang around the LOS and blow up the running game.
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But it is kind of sad that OSU has to win 16 more times (straight) to tie the all-time record with UM... hopefully Tressel can coach for 20 more years
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Well he let Hart play and Hart was gimpy the whole game too.
Just throwing that out there...he was more healthy than Henne though.
Hey like I said, I woulda benched Henne and kept Mallett in too. I woulda let my senior do all he could and when I saw he couldn't go I'd say "You gave it all you could and you've had a hell of a career, this will not tarnish you, I promise." or something like that.
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But it is kind of sad that OSU has to win 16 more times (straight) to tie the all-time record with UM... hopefully Tressel can coach for 20 more years
In the early days of football, let alone college, Michigan had had the advantage of already having an established program YEARS before Ohio State or Notre Dame even knew what a football was. It is no wonder Michigan has the kind of numbers nas talks about,...all true, and that 's fine. I doubt that that alone makes them the greatest college football program of all time.
And if you don't like my Notre Dame answer, I'll give you Oklahoma, whose program has done a whole helluva lot more in that shorter amount of time it's men have been in college footballl than Michigan has.
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What on earth will it take for the wolverines to get motivated enough to beat us? Legendary coach dying on the eve of the game? the seniors forgoing the NFL for the opportunity to win one game vs. OSU in their career? That's some heavy stuff...and it still wasn't enough.
The bottom line for this game was that the Michigan skill players had no skill today. Not to take anything from the Buckeye D, but Henne, Hart and Manningham utterly stunk today. I loved Hart talking trash after getting thrown down like a rag doll for a loss.
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Who knows? I think he's more infamous then famous. Given Michigan's troubles with mobile QB's he's gotten plenty of face time.
He came in to the spotlight last season when he turned the UM defense around and I think many viewed him as a potential head coaching candidate when Carr was done (thus he got a lot of press). I still wouldn't mind him as a HC because I think there would be a lot of positives in having a young, passionate african american coach at UM. I would guess he's on TV a lot because he's such an animated guy. The cameras like coaches who run around and scream a lot.
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What on earth will it take for the wolverines to get motivated enough to beat us? Legendary coach dying on the eve of the game? the seniors forgoing the NFL for the opportunity to win one game vs. OSU in their career? That's some heavy stuff...and it still wasn't enough.
The bottom line for this game was that the Michigan skill players had no skill today. Not to take anything from the Buckeye D, but Henne, Hart and Manningham utterly stunk today. I loved Hart talking trash after getting thrown down like a rag doll for a loss.
It's not a matter of motivation... they just got beat today... OSU was the better team.... they were better on the field... coached better... and exucted better.
I think it was obvious that UM was fired up... but they just got beat hands down!
Last year was AMAZING!!! That game could have easily gone the other way, but Troy Smith just simply put the team on his back and refused to lose.
But to say they are 'unmotivated' is kind of a slap in their face... I think they were very ready and pumped up for this game... but just got beat down by the better team. As someone mentioned above it really came down to their OL for me. Henne did not have the time and when he did he did not look good. Manningham just couldn't get into the game early, then when it counted late in the game just made stupid mistakes.
Hart was obviously fired up, but got no blocking what-so-ever and the OSU defenders didn't let him break any tackles like Beanie was able to on a couple plays.
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What on earth will it take for the wolverines to get motivated enough to beat us? Legendary coach dying on the eve of the game? the seniors forgoing the NFL for the opportunity to win one game vs. OSU in their career? That's some heavy stuff...and it still wasn't enough.
The bottom line for this game was that the Michigan skill players had no skill today. Not to take anything from the Buckeye D, but Henne, Hart and Manningham utterly stunk today. I loved Hart talking trash after getting thrown down like a rag doll for a loss.
It's not about motivating the players, or skill level. It's a cycle, and the Buckeyes are on the upstroke of the pedal, the rise on the bell curve, the luck of the draw.
I had this sick feeling in my stomach this morning that today was Wolverine Day. Couldn't eat breakfast, stumbled through a Sudoku puzzle, couldn't even drink a beer.
Cannot believe Tressel is 6-1 now. Is that not even better than Carr was against Cooper ??
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I think Well's showed him who was the better RB!
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yeah, you don't need motivation in this game...
ohio state was just the better team, as they have been all year
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I think Well's showed him who was the better RB!
Today it was obvious But I will say that I hope Beanie sticks around long enough to put up the numbers Hart has in his career.
Where was Mo today?!? He had what? One run? Was he hurt or something?
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Beanie Wells in the '09 Draft, 1st round for the Browns.
That's the back we need!
Dont get me wrong I love Beanie and he is a stud but I think his shelf life as a NFL back will be a short one. He reminds me of Jamal Lewis and you se how much Jamal has declined and he is only 27.
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Dont get me wrong I love Beanie and he is a stud but I think his shelf life as a NFL back will be a short one. He reminds me of Jamal Lewis and you se how much Jamal has declined and he is only 27.
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Agreed,...he is the NFL's next Adrian Peterson,...forget it.
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The scUM are going to have to wait a few years. No way in hell they beat us next year. New coach no henne,hart,long, probabaly manningham. We will also have most of our starters back combined with this awesome class we got coming in. The game against USC will help our boys prepare. Above all its going to be played at the horseshoe!!!! 
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Write this down...
Beanie Wells in the '09 Draft, 1st round for the Browns.
That's the back we need!
Dont get me wrong I love Beanie and he is a stud but I think his shelf life as a NFL back will be a short one. He reminds me of Jamal Lewis and you se how much Jamal has declined and he is only 27.
KING
So his shelf life as a productive RB is a good 6 years? I'll take it.
Actually, today I compared him to J-Lew too.
I played against him...believe it or not he went down easier than I thought (I had 3 solo tackles against him), but he still ripped off 150 yards against us...as ironic as that sounds. He was more of a scat back than a power back then I guess.
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Agreed,...he is the NFL's next Adrian Peterson,...forget it.
I think that's going to continue to be a problem (young RB's breaking down early in their careers). Backs are playing much earlier in college and getting a large number of carries as well. We're no longer in the days of college football where freshman and sophomores sit on the bench......especially ball carriers. It's going to take it's toll.
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What conference is ND in?
But it is kind of sad that OSU has to win 16 more times (straight) to tie the all-time record with UM... hopefully Tressel can coach for 20 more years
Well considering Michigan beat us the first 15 times they played that is not surprising. Also keep in mind Michigan had established their program many years before we did and it took us time to catch up. If you consider only the modern era the rivalry is pretty much dead even.
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You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
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Dude, dont' say crap like that,...just when you THINK you're on your way is when you get your ass handed to you,.... (see, LAST WEEK).
With only 8/9 seniors leaving, and IF nobody declares early, (Gohlston. Jim L, Jenkins, Robiske, etc.) the Buckeyes will be loaded.
But that doesn't mean Les Miles don't come in here and get it going again,....
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So I should say were going to lose? 
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