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Berry did pretty good for not having a 1st round pick. My grade is a C+.

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The only fair grade for Berry this time is incomplete. You can't count DW as a pick, nor Cooper. First pick seemed like a reach, the rest were good as for value at the position taken, but none of us have a clue if these guys can actually contribute or if they will even make the roster. There could be a superstar in the group as easily as an across the board bust on all of them. So I think I'll reserve judgement on this one for at least this season. I trust Berry, and think he's at the top of the/his game as GM. But anyone can blow it, we've seen it time and time again.


Also, I'm a little pissed he didn't nab the punter when he had the chance.

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C+ = pretty good?????????????????????

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C+ = pretty good?????????????????????
According to some of my students it is haha


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I think your points about Watson and Cooper are valid and these analysts probably aren't factoring them in. Maybe they will when they grade each team's off-season???

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I guess you can say we didn't draft him.

But the Eagles traded during the draft to get Brown. So, I don't know. I guess it depends on how you want to look at it.

In the end it is all about how you improved the team. The draft, free agency, and trades.

At one time not to long ago we were looking for guys that were just cut to be starters. Once you get past pick 20 or so. Teams are all over the place with how they view players. Now the guys we just drafted were BPA value picks. They will not just walk into starting roles.

That is a sign we have finally made real progress with the roster.

Perhaps player development is overlooked. This will be the third year with the same staff. We can actually draft a 21 year old and develop him.

Berry drafted this DE Wright. He does not have to start. From the press conferences he was a guy they targeted. They were going to get him.

Today he is not a finished project. In a couple years he maybe really good. He has all the traits they were looking for.

The draft is over now. I expect we will still sign some guys. Clowney soon I hope. Not sure about Jarvis.

When training begins in August we will have a damn good roster. You still have to play as a team but I will not be nervous about roster strength.

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What I liked about this draft.

#1 - The Defensive Lineman with emphasis on the pass rush. Alex Wright is a player that can hopefully play behind Clowney for now and be in the rotation. He is someone who could be a future starter opposite Garrett in a year or two. He has good size for a DE and has athletic ability. Perrion Winfrey will either start or be in the DT rotation. He brings some athleticism to the DT's. If the Browns have Garrett and Clowney outside Winfrey should be very valuable with some push up the middle. Isaiah Thomas was a productive pass rusher in college and posted a nice 4.7 forty at the combine. He could see some time in pure pass rush opportunities in 2022. He needs to gain some weight and lower body strength to ever be a starter in the NFL.

#2 - Getting a Kicker with a strong leg who was part of a national championship and kicked a school record 57 yarder in final seconds to upset Florida. That is the kinda clutch kicking a team needs to win close playoff games.

#3 - This will be controversial but I have to say the trade down at #44. I did not like it at the time. I wanted Nakobe Dean or Travis Jones at the time. The reason I ended up liking the trade was I would have been happy with Perrion Winfrey at 44 and they traded back and still got him later.

What I did not like about the draft.

#1 - Drafting a running back Jerome Ford. I really like the Chubb, Hunt, Johnson, and Felton as a running back room. This trade makes me think that Hunt will mpore than likely be part of a Baker Mayfield trade to get something for Baker. I think when healthy Chubb and Hunt are tough to deal with. I don't want to see that broke up.

#2 - Was not overly impressed with Martin Emerson. Again, did not see a need at CB with Ward, Newsome, Greedy, Hill, and Green. Then trading a proven commodity Hill for a 2023 5th round pick for an unproven rookie. I just did not see the need.

#3 - Would have selected an Olineman earlier than the 7th round let alone the last pick. With Conklin coming back from injury I would have taken Darrian Kinnard in the 4th round instead of trading a 4th for a 2023 4th and a 2022 5th round pick.

Overall, the draft was alright. I would rather have hoohum drafts and great seasons than in the past when we would have big drafts and poor seasons.


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Draft Grades 2022: How national analysts graded the picks
Updated: May. 01, 2022, 11:10 a.m. | Published: May. 01, 2022, 11:10 a.m.

Recap of the Browns 2022 NFL Draft: Berea report
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CLEVELAND, Ohio - Despite trading away their first- and second-round picks, the Browns added nine new players to the roster during the 2022 NFL Draft. We asked Browns fans to grade each one, and the results were ... mixed.

The Browns’ first pick of the draft, cornerback Martin Emerson in the third round, was given a C by voters, with nearly 80 percent of the vote opting for C, D or F. Other C grades included edge Alex Wright (third round) receiver Mike Woods II (sixth round) and center Dawson Deaton (seventh round).


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The highest grade went to kicker Cade York, a fourth-round pick given an overwhelming A (70 percent) by voters. They also gave an A to defensive tackle Perrion Winfrey (fourth round).


Everybody else received a B. It’s a group that includes receiver David Bell (third round), running back James Ford (fifth round) and edge Isaiah Thomas (seventh round).

But that’s what Browns fans think. What do national draft analysts think? We rounded up their grades and what they had to say about the Browns’ 2022 draft.

Chad Reuter, NFL.com

Grade: B.

Reuter’s take: The trade for Deshaun Watson sets the direction of the franchise for the foreseeable future, as the Browns gave up three first-round picks as part of the deal. Cleveland has its quarterback, but I believe the price was too high for Watson, who is currently facing 22 civil lawsuits alleging sexual assault and misconduct, as well as potential discipline under the NFL’s personal conduct policy pending the outcome of an ongoing league investigation. On Day 2, Emerson, Wright and Bell all met needs and provided good value at premium positions. The Browns can count receiver Amari Cooper as part of their Day 3 haul, which was a good start. Getting the aggressive, quick Winfrey at the three-technique spot in the fourth round was a steal, as was selecting his teammate, Thomas, as a power end in the seventh round. York went a bit earlier than I expected, though he showed a nice leg on field goals and kickoffs at LSU. Ford, an Alabama transfer, is vastly underrated.

Nate Davis USA Today

Grade: A-.

Davis’ take: Mid-round DE Alex Wright (Round 3), WR David Bell (Round 3), DT Perrion Winfrey (Round 4) and K Cade York (Round 4) could all pay off right away. And don’t forget they essentially surrendered a fifth-rounder to get WR Amari Cooper. But this draft and future ones will ultimately be defined by what QB Deshaun Watson, and all the baggage he comes with, provides to this franchise.

Vinnie Iyer, Sporting News

Grade: B.

Iyer’s take: The Browns used their early draft capital to get Deshaun Watson and didn’t get more by choosing not to deal Baker Mayfield during (the draft). Emerson and Wright were shaky initial depth picks, but Bell and Winfrey were incredible need values for Andrew Berry. They also copycatted the Bengals and solved their big kicker issue with York. It’s a true middle-class haul.

Conor Orr, Sports Illustrated

Grade: B+.

Orr’s take: This year will be a significant test of the Browns’ process as a front office. Paul DePodesta and the scouting department have gotten roughly six years of data and experience to try and ferret out what makes a good football player and what is necessary to win. The results so far have yielded a single playoff win, far more than the Browns have enjoyed in the past but probably less than the average general manager from a non-analytical background dart throwing at Mel Kiper’s Big Board. That said, this draft is full of some players who can come in and play quickly. Winfrey is a favorite here .... The violent defensive tackle has some really impressive anticipatory skills against the run and a knack for pushing his way into the backfield. This is a year for hybrid run-stuffing/pass-rushing tackles and Winfrey is one of the best. A lingering question: Did Cleveland do enough at wide receiver?


Staff, Pro Football Focus

Grade: B.

PFF’s take: Martin Emerson may prove to be a better player in the NFL than in college, where he was miscast in a system that didn’t quite play to his strengths. He has elite length for the position and could make a real name for himself in press coverage, but he struggles in off coverage and in space. He snagged just one interception in his college career despite facing 130 targets. Alex Wright was one of the best-graded edge rushers in the nation in 2021, earning a 90.4 PFF grade at UAB after two solid years and a consistently improving pass-rushing grade. He had 51 pressures and some of the most dominant reps of any prospect. He has real size and power and has flown under the radar throughout the process. Bell is slow and fell down boards as a result, but he still was a super productive wideout in the B1G. He attacks the ball well and has great physicality at 6-foot-1, 212 pounds. He isn’t a dynamic player by any means, but he does enough of the little things well to come in and produce early in Cleveland. Winfrey started his college career at Iowa Western Community College for two years before transferring to Oklahoma. He made an impact as a penetrator with an elite first step to get upfield. However, he was often miscast in Oklahoma’s defense, playing 236 snaps at nose tackle despite being on the slimmer side.

Mark Maske, The Washington Post


Grade: C-

Maske’s take: The Browns depleted their draft resources in the Deshaun Watson trade and have failed to find a taker for Watson’s predecessor, QB Baker Mayfield. It’s questionable whether they managed to get proper value with their third-round choices of CB Martin Emerson, DE Alex Wright and WR David Bell. Using a fourth-rounder on a kicker, Cade York, is interesting. He better succeed.

Luke Easterling, DraftWire

Grade: B

Easterling’s take: The Browns didn’t make a pick until the third round, but they made up for it once they finally got on the clock. CB Martin Emerson Jr. is a long corner who was a solid value in that range, while EDGE Alex Wright is massive and underrated. WR David Bell isn’t a burner, but he’s a well-rounded pass-catcher who can make an immediate impact as a third rounder. The fourth round was both feast and famine, as the Browns stole a top-60 player in Winfrey to fill a huge need, but reached for the first specialist off the board in York. It wasn’t a big need, but RB Jerome Ford was a sneaky value pick in the fifth round.

Mel Kiper, ESPN

Grade: B.

Kiper’s take: David Bell dropped because of his speed -- he ran a 4.65-second 40 at the combine -- but he put up huge numbers at Purdue. He could be a nice target on curls and crossers because of his sure hands. I expect Cleveland to be in the market for veteran receiving help after the draft, but Bell could fill a role as a rookie. Martin Emerson is an outside press corner, defensive end Alex Wright has long arms for his 6-foot-5 frame and has some upside as a pass-rusher, and Cade York is my top-ranked kicker. Perrion Winfrey is a nice value pick; I thought he could go 50 picks earlier. As a 3-technique tackle, he can wreak havoc against centers and guards. I bet his Oklahoma teammate Isaiah Thomas will make the team as a rotational edge rusher too. It’s tough to get starters without picks until Round 3, but I thought Cleveland did a good job with what it had.

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I see it like this. We walked out of the draft with Emerson, Winfrey, Bell and York. All 4 should see significant play time and make a positive impact during that play time. To me it doesn't matter who we may have passed on, how we traded or anything else. All that matters to me is did we improve the team? I say yes.

Another factor not being considered is we also beefed up next years draft with a few more picks.

All in all, my initial grade for this draft is a B with those 4 players alone. How the final grade goes will take a few years. We don't know how those guys will ultimately work out or how the other picks work out. To me the other picks won't really hurt the grade, they can only help.


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Its so hard to give a good grade for a draft class that does not have the impact players of a first or second round pick. but for years we received high draft grades as we had early first round picks and sometimes 2 picks as well as 2 in the second round as well. Look where those draft classes have given us. One playoff win.

bang for our buck I thought we did pretty well. I don't think all will make our final roster as we have a pretty good starting 22 coming in.
Bell I think will get some playing reps as the possession WR.

Our entire class - if they become GYM RATS will end up being viable football players. None more than Alex Wright....if he becomes a gym rat, Garrett please take him under your wing. He can become an exceptional player.

So who knows how to grade these guys.

Ravens got to read our board as they take many of our favorites but it doesn't mean they turn our good.

we got Winfrey as a STEAL this kid is who I thought we were taking at 44. Young and talented

I'm actually most intrigued by Dawson Deaton. He is perfect for our zone blocking schemes just like Harris he need to be a gym rat and get stronger and his upside on getting stronger is big time. Cant wait for his sophmore year as he probably will end up on our Practice Squad but he can become a Pro Bowl Center if all falls into place. Harris btw got stronger and is now a starter. Dawson's upside is greater than Harris but he has to work hard to get there. Keep an ear out for the words He works real hard...if we hear that than we can expect to see good things from him in the future!


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I actually was surprised we drafted Bell … he doesn’t fit our typical mold at all athletically. I wonder if it was a scout pick over a Berry pick


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Draft Grades are a funny thing.... it's probably the only place where the amateurs determine how well the professionals did their jobs and all grading is based completely on what the amateurs thought player values were.

It all really should be inverted and we should be grading the "draft gurus" based on how well they saw where guys were going to be picked.


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Both were a part of this draft. We gave up a fifth for Cooper?

We traded 3 first rounders plus for Watson? How is that not part of the draft? Pick 13 was Jordan Davis.

If we didn't make the trades we would have had the picks? All of the other trades were part of the draft?

So I don't know were you are going?

Because they didn't give up one first round pick for watson. If you insist on making an issue out of it, the first round pick this year is one third of watson. The presentation that they got watson for that first round pick is false on any level one can come up with.


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The draft is a fascinating process because there are many layers to how each team approaches each year.

The Jets had a lot of draft capital. It appears they made good choices.

However, every team is in a different place. The Browns in all honesty going into this draft had a starting lineup. Yes we could add to the DL and receiver room. But we were not desperate to add a position. IMO if a couple different guys would have been there at 44. We would have taken them. Burks was gone. Christian Watson was gone. I believe they liked both. Logan Hall went 33. If he was there IMO we would have taken him.

Moving back from 44 put them into a position to take York. Winfrey was a gift. Wright they wanted him.

Emerson and Ford are interesting because we were deep in those positions. Both will see limited action. However, they are depth that next year maybe very important.

And who is is to say that at some point this season guys like Greedy, D'ernest, Felton or even Hunt might be used in trade when a team is desperate, and those assets bring back future draft assets.

The whole Baker thing. Berry does not need to do a thing. It is all about the market. The quarterback market goes up and down. Everyone is saying the Browns are desperate to move Baker. Why? They do not have to do a thing. They could tell Baker stay home and wait for a call. They could say came to mandatory camp. They are going to pay him so they can do as they see fit.

That situation could change in a heart beat with an injury. Then they are not the team who is desperate.

The Baker money? Please Garoppolo is hurt and is due $26 with this year being his last.
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The Browns have made major changes and Berry is working his plan. That includes adjusting as needed.

We will field a good roster. Stefanski will be responsible for making them a team.

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Both were a part of this draft. We gave up a fifth for Cooper?

We traded 3 first rounders plus for Watson? How is that not part of the draft? Pick 13 was Jordan Davis.

If we didn't make the trades we would have had the picks? All of the other trades were part of the draft?

So I don't know were you are going?

Because they didn't give up one first round pick for watson. If you insist on making an issue out of it, the first round pick this year is one third of watson. The presentation that they got watson for that first round pick is false on any level one can come up with.
Valid point that a lot of people seem to be ignoring.


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Honestly, it does not make any difference to me. Draft grades is just an exercise for this time of year.

What counts is have we improved? Yes. We went from a decent starter at qb to a top five quarterback. That is a jump that any team in the NFL would love to make. That is why 13 teams called the Texans.

We added a number one proven starter for a fifth round pick. Look at the recent receiver trades. I am thrilled to get Cooper for that.

You can not control how the draft falls. You adjust on the fly. I thought Berry did well with the assets he had. If we get four guys who can contribute. Success.

Clowney is the only guy I feel we really need any others would be welcome.

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Dan Graziano was talking about Jarvis Landry this morning. He said that Landry wanted to play w/Watson before the trade was announced and preferred going to the team who traded for him. He said it might be a little odd because he and the Browns already parted ways, but that he thinks Cleveland is the favorite for landing Landry.

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I would love to get Jarvis back. Love it.

He would do well with us. I am fine with the receiver room but Jarvis can help for sure.

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I was under the impression we have had a standing offer. Is that not the case? Either way, bring him back, bring Clowney back.


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peen, I don't know if we have a standing offer or not. Just relaying what Graz reported. I'm not even sure if Graz is correct or not??? I am just "hoping" it's true because I think we need another accomplished vet in the WR room and I think Landry could really help Bell learn the tricks of the trade. I get the sense that while Cooper is really talented and productive, is not a real leader. He was the guy Jerry was pointing out when he made the "we" and "me" comments last year.

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Jarvis is 29. Speed has never been his game. He has plenty of football left.

Nothing at all against Bell but he is pick 99. Our third pick in round three. It would be unfair to him to be dependent upon him come December.

The Browns are all in. We are trying to win now. DW was a major move. We went and got Cooper. We extended our best players.

We moved cap money to sign more players. I would not be surprised if we signed Jarvis, Clowney and Aikiem Hicks. They may want to miss mandatory pre camp and show up ready for camp in August?

The Browns organization has put a lot on the line to win now. I want those veteran players and IMO Berry is not done yet.

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I agree w/almost all of that, but have one question. Have we been linked to Hicks? I think he is something like 32 or so and is coming off an injury, but he's a really good interior d-linemen. He's the kind of guy I was talking about being a good fit for the 4-2-5 in your Wood's Defensive Scheme thread.

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If we can get Jarvis, Clowney and Hicks that would be the icing on the cake. We have a very good roster with those 3 players and will need every bit of talent to compete and win in our division. The AFC West is considered to be the best division in football but I really believe we are pretty close here in the North. Time will tell.

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Getting away from the Browns for just a moment......I heard some guys talking about the Bears and Justin Fields earlier.

Their WRs suck and their OL was among the worst in football. What must Fields be thinking after this draft?


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Key Picks: C

Analysis: Think the Bears identified a weakness? After trading away what would’ve been No. 7 overall to get QB Justin Fields last season, they used their first two picks in the secondary. Jones boosts the return game, but what else does he provide?

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Homes, there are some people saying that the North rivals the West in terms of being the best. Not many, but it's a discussion.

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You bet it is Vers. The way I see it Baltimore, if healthy, may just be the best team in the conference. Cincy and us, as long as we have Deshaun playing, should be able to play with anyone. Oakland is the weakest team in the West but they're still good. Pittsburgh looks to be the #4 in the North but they have a great D and Tomlin always finds a way to make them highly competitive. Again time and injuries, will tell.

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I don't know if Hicks is on the radar. IMO he should be. Togiai and Elliott? Not sure what to expect from them. This is Elliot's third year?

I love Perrion but he is a 3 technique get up the field guy.

Hicks can handle the run and 1/2. Experienced guy who would fit a rotation that would keep him fresh.

Clowney is really important. He is the fit for Myles. We don't need Myles getting held, chipped and doubled all the time.

Winowich nice add but he is Takk. Wright is developmental guy.

We need Clowney.

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I'm starting to wonder how many WR's we can carry.
Cooper, DPJ, Schwartz, Bell, Grant for special teams...
Going to be a dog fight for the 6th spot between Bradley, Woods and probably the Weston Kid (assuming all the other UDFA guys were just brought in in case Grant doesn't take the return job).


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Good question, but we really need a #2. I see DPJ as our 3rd. Bell our 4th. The rest........meh.

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Originally Posted by RedBaron
I'm starting to wonder how many WR's we can carry.
Cooper, DPJ, Schwartz, Bell, Grant for special teams...
Going to be a dog fight for the 6th spot between Bradley, Woods and probably the Weston Kid (assuming all the other UDFA guys were just brought in in case Grant doesn't take the return job).

And Veteran WR Jevon Wims.


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I thought Berry had an OK draft. Favorite picks were Bell and Winfrey. I understand the trade down, but I don't really like it.

Sometimes I think Depodesta must still operate from a baseball mindset where you can draft someone and stash them in the minor leagues, so it makes sense to have more picks. You can't do that in the NFL - the picks have to make the final roster their rookie year to be any value. It's why it's risky to pick a rookie kicker, because they have to perform right away, because no team has space to keep 2 kickers on the final roster.

I have a hard time seeing guys like Jerome Ford, Isiah Thomas, and Michael Woods making the team. We have a lot of great vets locked into long term deals - we need quality not quantity from the draft, especially this year. Makes me wonder if Berry has any other plans for FAs or players already on the roster.

I think the Browns, along with many other teams, viewed this as a pretty weak draft, especially at the top. I can name 5 players for the 2023 draft that would have been the first pick in the 2022 draft. I would have loved to see Berry try whatever he could to get 1st or 2nd round pick for next year, even if it meant selling #44 for nothing this year, but I know it takes someone else wanting to trade as well.

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Here is how see it.

If you draft a guy in the first two rounds, you are expecting him to start. If you already have a legit starter, you are playing both guys and paying more to split time. Since it is not cost-effective, you trade away one player. This gives you a better talent level but taxes against the cap. You also lose depth consistency and roster continuity.

If you draft guys in the third through the fifth, your expectation is he will start in a year or two. If you have a legit starter, you will have a rotational guy learning the position. This method gives you better cost-effectiveness. You build better continuity and consistency. Obviously, your talent level is lower.

In this draft, the immediate starting talent was minimal. Thus, you are paying a player that in most drafts would be a middle-round guy a starter's salary. Adding middle-round players allows you to keep on the roster longer and opportunity to mold into the type of player you desire.

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The whole Baker thing. Berry does not need to do a thing. It is all about the market. The quarterback market goes up and down. Everyone is saying the Browns are desperate to move Baker. Why? They do not have to do a thing. They could tell Baker stay home and wait for a call. They could say came to mandatory camp. They are going to pay him so they can do as they see fit.

That situation could change in a heart beat with an injury. Then they are not the team who is desperate.


Hypothicals.. IF Watson blows a knee the first game, I'd rather have Baker under center than Brissett


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Who really even knows if Watson will play a down in 2022????

If you think he is, you may be in for a letdown.

Personally, I'd rather have Baker play than this piece of ^%*)

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Read an article today about Trevor B being out for 2 years, and the writer wondered if the NFL would take that as an example and do the same, or similar, with DW.

Yeah, we probably won't see DW opening few weeks, and maybe longer?

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It's all a guessing game at this point in time. Not only if it will happen, but for how long it may happen or when it may happen.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

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A Draft Grades thread is now a Hate on Deshawn Watson thread. Marvelous.

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It's hilarious to watch someone claim objectivity and legitimate possibilities being discussed is hate. Then claim it's everyone else who has an agenda.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

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Originally Posted by SaintDawg
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The whole Baker thing. Berry does not need to do a thing. It is all about the market. The quarterback market goes up and down. Everyone is saying the Browns are desperate to move Baker. Why? They do not have to do a thing. They could tell Baker stay home and wait for a call. They could say came to mandatory camp. They are going to pay him so they can do as they see fit.

That situation could change in a heart beat with an injury. Then they are not the team who is desperate.


Hypothicals.. IF Watson blows a knee the first game, I'd rather have Baker under center than Brissett

Good to read you Saint. I agree I thought this was mishandled by FO and Ownership regarding Baker. What I'm saying is there might be a possible big time suspension coming up for Watson. We chose to BURN THE BRIDGE with Baker instead we could have had a Symbiotic relationship you help us we help you. Playing for us and winning a lot of games cause Baker without the shoulder injury is a rather accurate QB better than Brissett but he need to show the NFL that he is a "GOOD" QB maybe not as good as Watson but still a QB good enough to win in the NFL. We win he wins. instead we burn the bridge end up paying him 18+mil for NOTHING. I thought we handled this badly. You want Watson, OK but still you owe it to the fans to put out the best product out there and best chance to win. Nothing would have helped up better than for us to be 4-2 under Baker and Watson ready to take over the reigns and 2-3 teams going hard to give something up big in a trade for Baker. Instead somebody is going to get a darn good QB for pretty much nothing and we will have to hope running the ball with a GREAT D will be enough to win until Watson is back.

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