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Hey arch, I read your post after Swish responded, so this one time I will respond. I don't think you are a bigot in any way toward the LGBTQ community. You just vote with them and run in the same circles politically. But you would never bash the LBGTQ community and I believe you.

And these asshat weren't going to protest. They were on their way to instigate and hurt people. Screw them and anybody who thinks their message deserves a voice.

Glad y'all were able to work out your differences and we can move forward helping one another to make our world a better place. Well done.

I understand they more than likely were'nt going to "just" protest. They were going there to cause problems. They are not me, nor the vast, vast majority of whites, or conservatives, or Christians.

But when I get lumped into "supporting" them based on who I vote for? I have an issue.

Glad to know even though I'm on your perma ban list, you read every post I make.

This ain't nothing but an internet ice cream social Vers... Swish is serving up just desserts and I'm laying [on] the whipped cream on and some nuts.

Conservatives let them in arch, and Trump asked for their votes. What are we supposed to think?

Conservatives let WHO in? Where?

So much for your so called "perma ban".

so you're not a white christian conservative who votes for a party that caters to white supremacist?

why you out here lying?

See, you just can help yourself. And you wonder why I ignore you. You know damn well they vote conservative. But I do believe you are an old school true conservative, your blinders just won't let you see that guys like you are fighting guys just like you to include people like Patriot front in your voting tallies? Is being in power and pwning the libs that important to you arch? Don't pretend it's not. You wouldn't be so damn annoying with you nit picking and twisting words all the time if it wasn't. That's just sad IMHO.

I am white. Sorry. I am Christian. Sorry. I'm conservative. Sorry. I vote for a party that caters to white supremacists? You're sorry.

I could turn the tables and say a lot, but I have class. I will say this, you vote for a party that claims to help the poor, but has done nothing more than created more poor.

So you are everything I just said, but tried to claim otherwise.

Doesn’t sound like a person with class.

But he made a point of pretending to apologize for who he was to shame you. DO you feel any shame for that? If not, I wonder why?

I think there was a lot more than just Alt Riot groups using these protests to create chaos and try to make the 'Left' look like extremists ... I think personally a lot of it was just opportunist thugs/vandals/thieves. Whoever they were I hope they all got caught and prosecuted.

But to your point about proof of the Alt Right trying to turn these events violent - it was widely reported with proof.

Here's just one article - you have google and research yourself if you want more. But this was stated by Trump's own man - so presumably would be an acceptable source.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ists-in-u-s-urban-violence-idUSKBN26031F

In what was billed as a “2020 State of the Homeland” speech, acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf initially attributed violence in Portland, Oregon in particular to “violent opportunists” and went on to describe how protesters had attacked federal officers with sledge-hammers, pipes, fireworks, homemade bombs and other weapons.

Wolf also attributed violence to both “white supremacist extremists” and “anarchist extremists,” mentioning white supremacists first, in a speech livestreamed on the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) website.

It’s impossible for me to feel any shame from these guys.

and side note: I’m with you on the Bernie bro. Corporate democrats empower clowns like patriot front as well. Definitely moved me further to the left.

I started out where guys like arch and Pit were, party-line Republican. It wasn't until the tea party come along that you had to hate Dems. My mother is and was a Dem then. Screw the republican party. And it ain't even about Bernie, it's about doing what's right. Making sure the least of us have what they need is minuscule in comparison to all the military and black budget spending. Leveling the playing field so everyone can go to and afford to go to school makes sure we are all educated and we don't miss out on the accomplishments of great minds. It's so sad to me to think about the Einsteins we've let live and die in squalor for the sake of saving what amounts to pennies! This world is full of injustices that we could easily make right, fair, and balanced. This would in turn make life better for every American, but as long as evil political and corporate SOBs control the minds and souls of their base, we will never get past greed and hateful rhetoric. Glad you are seeing these things.

j/c:

This probably won't go over well, but what's new? Have any of you ever thought that there are both good and bad people in both parties? Have any of you considered that there are many law-abiding folks who are on the left? Or the right? Have any of you thought that there are violent people on the left? Or the right?

Have any of you ever once contemplated that perhaps we should judge individuals based on individual actions rather than on political, social, racial, or religious affiliation?

Have any of you ever felt anger, sadness, frustration, etc when someone else unfairly tries to label you? We all have, right? What are we to do? Lower ourselves to their level? Or, should we elevate ourselves above the hateful and ignorant souls that do so much damage to our society?

We all have choices to make. Do you want to be part of the problem or part of the solution?

yea man. i really tried to "understand" the other side, until it became clear they didn't want to be understood; they want to be obeyed.

i'm good on that. and these corporate dems who keep trying to be bipartisan with republicans who have zero interest in being bipartisan have turned me completely off, an have enabled more of this right wing nonsense by doing essentially nothing to pushback in fear of retribution are just as spineless as the republicans who look the other way.

Honestly OCD, looks like unfortunately i need to get firearms for protection. We got this place called point blank range in Mentor, and those guys were really chill when i asked about firearm safety training for the family. probably gonna get a membership.

and since these losers on the right are obsessed with playing Army, then lets play Army. except i wont be playing if they try that nonsense around me.

Yes, I believe in the right to freedom of speech? Don't you?

sorry Vers but these wanna be soldiers and their right wing views says that i'm the PROBLEM, and the solution is to either violently or politically force people who look like me out of this country.

don't expect me to just be ok with that. don't expect me to just be like "oh come guys lets talk it out". nah, their actions and rhetoric has sent the message loud and clear. i have zero interest in getting along with people who clearly hate me for no other reason than because i don't look or believe like they do.

unfortunately it always comes down to picking a side. so since the choice is melting pot or collection of demographics/ethnostate, i'mma roll with melting pot every single time. at least the food is better.

Sure, do you think we are animals? I think at heart, about 99.9% of people everywhere in the world are basically good people, including republicans. I just think mean and evil people smarter than they have led them astray, broken all the norms, created this chaos, and gained or maintained power due to it all. But now, half the country, reasonable, thinking, basically good women and men are under some kind of weird-ass mind control. It doesn't matter what we say, what evidence we show, or how much we try. They are on their path, being led by the nose, and slowly trying to normalize all of this BS. It doesn't matter what they have going on in life, if they are part of this, and support those evil SOBs no matter how many kids die, how many women are crushed, or how many lives they wreck; then they deserve to be called out for what they are. It's not a partisan issue anymore, it's a decency issue and a damn defense of our democracy issue.

There is also no riding the fence or not taking a side anymore either. You either want a democratic democracy, the way we've been since the founding, or some twisted form of authoritarian fascist corporatism. There is really no other choices, and sooner or later, guys like you will realize this too.

Just thought I would ask.

https://www.worldtribune.com/for-th...scent-from-prosperity-to-socialist-hell/

https://theendofhistory.net/venezuela-history-timeline-and-venezuela-crisis-timeline/


Gov't providing "free stuff" to everyone is a certain prescription for disaster. Educate yourself. Free stuff, free education, free.


It leads to..................inflation, that takes everyone other than the the rich, down.

But yeah, free stuff is good - til the free stuff can't be paid for.

Free stuff is great, but people dont appreciate it, and they want more free stuff. Free education isn't free. Free food isn't free. Free anything isn't free.

But, just "tax the rich". Right? You'll get a fancy named bill that claims to tax the rich, but which the rich paid for which eliminates them from the tax increases, but kills the middle class. You know, you can't have middle class voters voting for their best interests cause that would suck. You have to take the donations from the uber wealthy, come up with a fancy name for a bill, add in billions in said fancy named bill, tell everyone you're only trying to help the poor, allow 'outs' for the wealthy, and soak the middle class. Gas prices included, and heating your home. Next thing you know, people that were doing ok, aren't. Bam -

I was just responding. Sorry if what I see happening upset or hurt you, it was an honest answer.

hey guys, Arch is defending his corporate slave masters, AGAIN.

yawn.

and by the way, farmers are the biggest class of welfare queens in this country. they literally get paid to NOT grow certain crops and are subsidized through the roof.

how come you never talk about the free stuff they get? nevermind, i already know the answer to that.

You probably know as much about farming and owning ground and equipment as you do about .............

I wasn't hurt at all. I just think that there are good and bad people on both sides and individuals should be judged individually. My parents taught me that long ago when a black family moved into our 'hood. The first day, all the white kids played w/the new boy and girl who were black. The next day, the other white kids were not allowed to play w/the black kids. My parents hadn't said a word when they saw us playing that first day. The next day, my brother and I went to our parents and asked them what should we do. We explained that we liked the two new black kids, but the white kids said they wouldn't play w/us anymore if we played w/the black kids. It was upsetting.

Our parents did not tell us what to do. They asked questions. They asked if there was anything about the two black children that warranted us not playing w/them? For example, were they bullies? Did they steal? Lie? Cheat? We answered; "No."

They asked us how we would feel if others didn't want to play w/us because of how we looked? We said: "Bad."

They asked us if we would miss playing w/our white friends? We replied: "Yes."

They asked us if friends are truly real friends if they demand you act in a certain way? We said: "Huh?"

So my little bro and I went outside to talk it over. We decided to go across the street and play w/Martin and Jasmine. Had a riot. A couple of weeks later, some of the white kids would sneak around and play w/the four of us. Kids are more in tune w/the truth than adults in many situations.

I hope that helps....

Arch, you've been brain-washed and radicalized sir. Nobody is trying to give 'Free Stuff' to make America like Venezuela. And the rest of your rant falls under the same damn category of rhetoric with little to ZERO actual basis in reality. I get exactly what you think, and what the evidence is you are trying to present or back it with. But it is mostly lies with a bit of truth sprinkled in and is 100% dishonest in almost every way. Things you or somebody has heard from right-wing powerbrokers and then repeated until the lot of you think it's true like Christians have faith there's a god. Some of us see things from a perspective of people first, and just how messed up our unbridled capitalism and slavery-based founding has made this country. They've taken a dump on the original intentions of the founders to have a FREE, OPEN, ACCEPTING (they were traitors to the crown and at odds with Egland's primary religion BTW), EQUAL RIGHTS, EQUAL MEN (white of course or slavery doesn't work, and women chattel to be kept and used for domestic service and sex)SOCIETY. They just wanted a place where they could ALL PROSPER. Take out the disgusting bits in parenthesis, fix them, and you have an ALL-INCLUSIVE modern-day progressive wish list. We want the same stuff the founders wanted, you've been convinced that is somehow evil.

whats that? sorry i dont speak corporate. somebody please translate what Arch is trying to say. he trailed off with ........ so i know he got lost mid thought. product of the programming, i'm sure.

I think it's a quote from an alt-right coming out party or some crap. Eve liked it, so you know it was wackadoodle, mean, and gravy militia-level mentally phrased. So there's that?

Yo if the alt right want to make their dreams a reality, Utah, Idaho, and Wyoming are literally right there for the taking. Nobody will bother them, then they can have their ethnostate, tell women how to dress and be submissive, not worry about minorities, bring their rifles into church, and worship trump as much as they like. The alt right American dream. Free from liberals and minorities

I wonder why all they do is talk, with only the fringe actually trying to do something about it, though. I mean they have the money, the high IQ’s, no LBGT, and plenty of natural resources. Should be a layup to build their utopia.

I'm invisible.

So much for having me on permanent ignore, eh?

Umm, where's the purple?

Not tonight buddy, I feel like we're making progress! I just saw you say tax the rich in another thread. That's a win and a step in the right direction! This moment deserves recognition.

j/c

In all this talk about true conservative values v. white ethno-national extremism, it occurs to me: if an ideological separation is to be made between the two, a true separation must be made BY the two. And that means only one thing: the White Conservative Christian Republican voter must call out, denounce, and bounce those in the party who do not represent their values.


Most of the people I know who are registered Republicans are of the "Eisenhower Republican" mold: limited federal gov't, personal responsibility, clear-eyed approach to emerging national problems, etc. Common-sense people who lean right. Folks who try to live by the values they hear on Sunday mornings. I can work with folks like that. I can laugh and love with folks like that. Always have/always will. Folks like this comprise the spine and skeletal structure that has made and kept this nation walking upright for almost 250 years.

These people are currently faced with an existential crisis within their ranks.

The face of their party is changing before our eyes. What was once a fringe element of rightist political ideology has now gained a crescendoing voice that is beginning to drown out the rational thinkers/speakers. Their beloved party (and the ideology they've always followed) is being pushed aside by an increasingly strident ethno-nationalist message. Look no further than Tucker Carlson's TV program as a window on this transformation. When he first took the gig at FOX News, he was essentially boilerplate mainline anti-left. ff to now: nearly 100% of his content is related to caravans from the south, pollution of "America's talent pool," and white grievance. 5 nights/week.

Tucker Carlson isn't the problem. Tucker Carlson is a by-product. He only blurts things that are certain to keep his numbers where they are/on the incline. That's his job. He's found his niche, and he's rolling hard in the paint to get that payday.

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There are a ton of folks out here who have pulled the lever for Team Red out of ideology, habit, familiarity, team loyalty... but if they truly believe and live the values that define them- values that I understand, share (in many instances) and admire... it is their responsibility to place these reprehensible creatures back into the margins from whence they came. They've lived at the margins of America for good reason. Generations of good people have seen to it in the way we've collectively chosen to live in America, R or D.. These people are trying their hardest to take over the Republican Party as we've always known it. That is 'next-level' stuff- and requires the concerted efforts of individual Repub voters with the resolve of Liz Cheney.

My Republican Friends have a very big, very crucial fight on their hands, whether they like it or not/whether they believe it or not/whether they're prepared for it or not. It's going to be ugly, because it will define for the next 30+ years, what R stands for. I have personally shared time & space with My Dawgs jfanent, archboldawg, etc- and know them to be good people who do not believe any of the stuff espoused by the interlopers who are attempting to hijack their storied party.

It is their responsibility to 'clean house,' because if they don't, these new folks will completely take over the party my friends have supported for decades/generations. And they will have done so, even as folks like Clemdawg tried (repeatedly) to raise the alarm.


The GOP is at an existential crossroads.
In a 2-party political system, that prospect is absolutely terrifying.


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That was a nice post. But liberals are in the same boat. Moderate Dems v the fringe radical left.


I think at the end of the day the moderates and independents will determine the course because they are the majority,

Be careful. Beth Dutton will kick your ass.

oh please. you know damn well in real life she'd be in the cabin washing some dude's clothes by hand. I love her in yellowstone, but let's be real here bro. in that utopia, the women will be dressed like Amish or Mennonites. i just wonder if the christian men will cap the # of wives they're allowed to have at 5 or 6.

I agree w/you and Clem. It's the extremists on both sides that spread hate and want special privileges that turn me off. I have always despised the alt-right for their hateful beliefs. I understand that Clem is saying that they are becoming more prevalent and need to be stopped by the conservative, decent Republicans. I think a lot of people in the latter category voted to get Trump out of office in the last election. That proves that most folks are rational and champion fairness and equality.

On the other hand, even though I was a life-long Democrat, I have turned my back on the the far-left extremists. I do not condone burning down cities. I despise looting and rioting under the guise of justice. I strongly oppose reparations. I am 100 percent against defunding the police. I am against giving others more rights and having to pay for it so they don't have to work.

I believe that people from all groups should be afforded equal opportunities and fair and unbiased treatment. I believe that they should "earn" what they get instead of having things handed to them whether they are white and rich or black and poor. I have met a lot of new people on my sales calls and I think most people are decent folks who oppose the extremists on both sides. Thus, I believe that both parties take a long look at the extremists in their respective parties and work to diminish their respective voices and strive to working w/one another to help improve relations w/in our country.