I'm sure that it probably isn't so - but it *appears* that many of the people protesting that they didn't know one way or the other of DW's guilt regards sexual assault are more interested that DW gets off regardless of guilt than actually holding people accountable.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Are you saying you know more about how these things work than the Watson's attorneys and high-profile NFLPA lawyers?
You mean like how Buzzbee kept making statements and many called it nothing but trying the case in the media and it meant nothing? Like that? and now when a different group of attorney's do the same thing you claim it actually holds merit?
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I don't know how this will turn out, but I think you are being extremely short-sighted in your zeal to see Watson punished.
There you go again trying to act like your slanted perspective is fact. And you aren't drunk this time.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Not to drag other news into this but when people can so easily move on from children being killed at a school.
The DW saga is a blink of an eye.
Football is an entertainment distraction. People move on quickly. Who do we play next week?
Yet many place football above their own moral compass. All for what even you admit is nothing more than entertainment. Nobody is moving on from school shootings. Most people have the ability to walk and chew gum at the same time.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I see this as good news because the NFLPA is going to fight hard for Watson and they will use all the unfair and biased acts of how the NFL doles out punishment are in direct conflict to their Almighty Personal Conduct Policy. Glad that the NFLPA is not going to back down.
And the only one the women had to fight hard for them was Buzzbee. What happened to them no longer seems to hold much importance to some.
The 20 are getting paid. They sold their "justice" for whatever is in the negotiated agreement. They are off the table.
You can't settle then demand to continue. That isn't how it works.
The only justice one can get in civil court is money. So how does anything you posted change what I said? Is your assertion that somehow changes what happened to them? Does that change how the NFL views it? Does it mean they had anyone but Buzzbee standing up for them? No, it doesn't. And changing the narrative doesn't hold any weight either.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Are you saying you know more about how these things work than the Watson's attorneys and high-profile NFLPA lawyers?
You mean like how Buzzbee kept making statements and many called it nothing but trying the case in the media and it meant nothing? Like that? and now when a different group of attorney's do the same thing you claim it actually holds merit?
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I don't know how this will turn out, but I think you are being extremely short-sighted in your zeal to see Watson punished.
There you go again trying to act like your slanted perspective is fact. And you aren't drunk this time.
As usual, you are arguing and not making any sense at all. It's just more of the same crap w/you. Twisting my words into something I never said. I never said Buzzbee's statements meant nothing. I am not acting like my perspective is fact. Hell, I said I don't know how it will turn out. I'll go back to ignoring you again because once again, you have proven to be untrustworthy. You can do your LWL thing now.
Furthermore, not one of the alleged victims tried to start their quest by filing criminal suits first. And I don't think any of them began by even filing a police report.
The only justice one can get in civil court is money.
That's not true, but let's go down that path a little bit. If that's the case, then why is Ashley Solis (among others) not settling? Is justice for her worth more than the others? If $$ was the only justice in civil court, then there wouldn't be any court at all. It would just be these settlement mediation sessions for forever until an agreement was made.
"I'll take your word at face value. I have never met you but I assume you have a face..lol"
Furthermore, not one of the alleged victims tried to start their quest by filing criminal suits first. And I don't think any of them began by even filing a police report.
Not sure what you mean here. Ten women first filed criminal charges, that's why the GJ was summoned. Those ten women filed police complaints against Watson. Eight of those ten women were among the plaintiffs who filed civil lawsuits.
I'm sorry. I thought the timeline for when the Civil and Criminal suits was known. Here is a timeline. I post part of it. I'll post the link if one wants to read all the way through it. I am just posting the timeline for the dates of the Civil vs Criminal complaints.
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January 3, 2021: Texans lose to Tennessee 41–38 in the last game of the season and Watson's last game with the Texans. Houston misses the playoffs with a 4–12 record. Jan. 28, 2021: It is reported that Deshaun Watson asked to be traded from the Texans. March 16, 2021: Attorney Tony Buzbee announces a civil lawsuit will be filed against Watson. March 16, 2021: Watson takes to Twitter, denouncing the claim against him. March 17, 2021: First lawsuit filed to the Harris County District Clerk appears on the website. March 17, 2021: Two other lawsuits filed against Watson, bringing civil suits against Watson to three. March 18, 2021: Four other civil lawsuits against Watson are filed to the Harris County District Clerk, bringing the civil suit count up to seven. March 18, 2021: NFL opens investigation into Watson. March 18, 2021: Texans release statement on Watson. March 19, 2021: Watson’s attorney, Rusty Hardin, releases a statement asking for the public to “keep an open mind” until they respond to the lawsuits. March 22, 2021: Seven more civil lawsuits appear on Harris County District Clerk’s website, bringing the number of lawsuits against Watson up to 14. March 23, 2021: Two more civil lawsuits are filed, bringing the count up to 16. March 29, 2021: Three more civil lawsuits are filed against Watson, for 19 total. March 29, 2021: Sports Illustrated publishes account from a massage therapist—who has not filed a lawsuit—alleging sexual misconduct by Watson during a massage therapy session. March 30, 2021: Two more suits are filed, bringing the count to 21. April 2, 2021: Houston PD releases statement that a criminal complaint against Watson has been filed. April 5, 2021: Another civil suit is filed against Watson, making it 22. April 6, 2021: Two plaintiffs identify themselves and go public with their lawsuits. April 7, 2021: Nike suspends its endorsement deal with Watson. April 9, 2021: Two Harris County judges rule that women suing Watson must identify themselves. April 13, 2021: Report surfaces that one plaintiff is dropping her suit against Watson “for now” rather than revealing her identity. April 14, 2021: Another civil lawsuit is filed against Watson, bringing the count of active lawsuits back to 22. May 21, 2021: SI obtains text messages that reveal Ashley Solis, the first plaintiff to file a civil lawsuit against Watson, was in contact with Buzbee’s law firm in December 2020. July 25, 2021: Watson reports to Texans training camp. Aug. 28, 2021: Rumors circulate that the Dolphins are front runners in Watson trade discussion. Oct. 20, 2021: Houston Chronicle reports Dolphins-Watson trade is imminent and will occur before the Nov. 2 trade deadline. Oct. 26, 2021: Roger Goodell addresses Watson’s status, saying the league does not have sufficient evidence to place him on the exempt list. Nov. 2, 2021: Trade deadline passes and Watson remains on Texans’ roster. He does not play for the remainder of the season. Nov. 4, 2021: Settlement talks between Hardin and Buzbee break down. Dec. 21, 2021: A report surfaces about social media warrants being issued for several of Watson’s platforms as part of criminal investigation. Feb. 21, 2022: Judge rules Watson can be deposed in nine civil lawsuits. March 1, 2022: Houston GM Nick Caserio says Texans are taking quarterback’s situation on a “day-to-day” basis. March 2, 2022: Dolphins shut door on possible Watson trade. March 8, 2022: It is reported that a grand jury will hear Harris County District Attorney’s case against Watson in court. March 8, 2022: Watson set to be deposed in proceedings for the civil lawsuits, scheduled for March 11. He is expected to invoke his Fifth Amendment right. March 11, 2022: Watson invokes the fifth amendment in his civil deposition, per The New York Times’ Kevin Draper. March 11, 2022: A grand jury returns nine “no” bills on nine criminal complaints against Watson after a Harris County prosecutor presented the case. The prosecutor says this concludes the criminal proceedings against him.
Clicking on the link will make it easier to read. I was going to edit it myself to make it more presentable, but this is sure to get turned around somehow, just like the Personal Conduct Policy w/the owners and players was.
The only justice one can get in civil court is money.
That's not true, but let's go down that path a little bit. If that's the case, then why is Ashley Solis (among others) not settling? Is justice for her worth more than the others? If $$ was the only justice in civil court, then there wouldn't be any court at all. It would just be these settlement mediation sessions for forever until an agreement was made.
I think not only is she holding out for more money, but as I understand it, it was the NDA that was such a sticking point before in the earlier settlement attempt. I think she is holding out for her right to tell her story. To bring the truth, in full, about watson to light. And that's a huge hurdle for team watson to ever agree to.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Do you read what you say, or try to correlate response to it?
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What happened to them no longer seems to hold much importance to some.
They have sold off their justice, like it or not. Whatever happened to them is settled. They are no longer on the table.
No, the NFL also has a say in a margin of justice they can hand out. It's a part of their agreed contract which they all signed. That's the part people don't seem to care so much about. How egregious the violation was helps decide the justice the NFL hands out.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
A lot of unique factors are making Watson's case difficult to predict and considering that the process is new just adds to the unpredictable nature of Watson's case. Below, Florio's article touches on some of the concerns I raised in my previous post.
I believe the NFL will come down with a heavy suspension (a year) with the thinking that they can easily reduce the suspension if a good case can be made. But with so many unknowns it is much harder to set the length of suspension on the lenient side. I don't believe that many Browns fans are going to be surprised if the NFL hands down a year suspension...jmo
Negotiated suspension of Deshaun Watson seems very unlikely at this point
Posted by Mike Florio on June 24, 2022, 2:36 PM EDT link
The NFL, the NFL Players Association, and Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson reportedly were discussing the terms of a negotiated suspension under the Personal Conduct Policy. Those talks reportedly “fell apart.” It’s not believed that they’ll be put back together.
Per a league source, the current expectation is that the NFL will propose a suspension on Watson, and that the case will proceed to arbitration, with the Disciplinary Officer presiding. Commissioner Roger Goodell would then have final say over any appeal, filed by either side.
Multiple factors have made a negotiated resolution difficult to achieve. First, the league can’t afford to create the impression that it was too lenient with Watson. If the NFL, the NFLPA, and Watson reach an agreement on a suspension that would be regarded as acceptable to everyone, the end result could be viewed as insufficient by media and fans. To satisfy those who would criticize the league for being too soft, the league needs to propose a lengthy suspension. A settlement possibly could reached after that. If that happens, the league will have still made a clear, strong statement of significant punishment on Watson.
Second, the union possibly will argue, under Article 46 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, that there can be only one punishment of Watson for the same conduct — even if he continues to be accused of sexual misconduct during massage therapy sessions by previously unknown plaintiffs. This potentially will compel the league to impose an even longer suspension to account for the possibility of additional claims.
Although Article 46 could be interpreted to allow Watson to be disciplined for the cases that already have been filed and to punish him again for new cases that may emerge, the league may not want to assume the risk of a future suspension being scrapped due to a technicality. But waiting for all statutes of limitations to expire isn’t an acceptable alternative, especially if Watson resolves the other four pending lawsuits.
That said, a settlement as to the suspension could leave the door open for future punishment, if new claims emerge. This leads the league back to the original problem. Any settlement reached before the league proposes a suspension could create the impression that the league didn’t do enough — and it was the impression that the league didn’t due enough to Ray Rice that almost brought down the whole operation in 2014.
So perhaps the best chance for a settlement will come after the league proposes a lengthy suspension, with an agreement that the door will remain open if other lawsuits are filed in the future.
Not sure how the guy who posted the video of this came up w/his headline about wasting money and the suspension is done, but here is the latest from Shefty. Btw mac, I already know there are negative comments regarding Watson's suspension. You don't have to point that out to me as a "gotcha" moment. I'm interested in accuracy.
Why some on this forum try to generalize Watson's situation is mind boggling to me. Trying to compare his 24 and counting civil suits to anything that has happened in the NFL previously as far as Conduct is ignoring the seriousness of the situation. We are not talking about 1 or 2 women that have been mistreated, we are talking about 24 and counting women that whole heartedly believe that Watson sexually abused them. That is not implying guilt, nor has it been in numerous other cases, it's stating a fact that what Watson is accused of is unprecedented in every way, shape, and form.
If the NFL suggests anything lighter than a year suspension with the option of extending it depending on what transpires in the future in relation to this case will be setting a precedent that they will never be able to recover from. Would that mean that in the future as long as you keep the number of complaints under 25, you would be subject to only a 6-8 game suspension?
The one thing that is missing on this forum is the general concern for the women involved. I don't know if they all have legitimate claims or not. What I do know is there is something seriously wrong with the situation when you have 24 women and counting coming forward making the same allegations against an entitled football player. I, as a Cleveland Browns fan did not create this situation. Neither did the press, NFL, the NFLPA or the women. Watson did this all on his own with 66 women in a little over a year (as reported by the NYTimes). How many more out of those 66 have legitimate complaints but failed to come forward for one reason or another remains unknown. I'm shocked at the uncompassionate attitude for what happened to these women and how it seems to hold little importance to some as long as Watson gets to play football for the Browns.
1. You keep forgetting to include the word "allegedly." You are not privy to the truth. Stop pretending you were there.
2. What business is it of yours how others choose to root for their teams? How are we hurting you by hoping that Watson plays? You are free to go root for Baker's next team. No one will stop you.
The nexus you insist exists between people supporting Mayfield and people believing the women accusing Watson is yours and only yours. Nobody thinks Mayfield is a better QB than Watson. They just object to supporting a skeeve who's lucky he isn't in jail..
Well, my opinion is my own. Also, I was not even talking about who thinks whom is a better qb. All I know is the guys who went over the top in their support of Baker are the very same guys who trash Watson the most. There is no shame in that. Go root for his new team. Rooting for a certain team is NOT a character trait. If your are all so disgusted, go root for a morally superior team.
Exactly. And that was my point to steve. Who the hell is he to tell others on how to feel about Watson and the Browns? I'll make up my own mind, thank you.
I am not telling them to go root for another team. I am suggesting they have that right. No one will hold it against you if you do. It's not like slavery. We all have a choice. But, this constant harassment about how could we root for Watson and the Browns is old. I'll root for who the hell I want to. Period!
Why some on this forum try to generalize Watson's situation is mind boggling to me. Trying to compare his 24 and counting civil suits to anything that has happened in the NFL previously as far as Conduct is ignoring the seriousness of the situation.
Yet you do exactly that with your own analogies. Did you boggle your own mind when you posted this?:
Originally Posted by steve0255
"Hmmm, let me get this straight. Big Ben gets accused of rape with no criminal charges or civil suits and settles but is still deemed a rapist on this forum multiple times."
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
How magnanimous of you to grant us the right to go elsewhere! No one has told you who to root for. But you just told Steve to go find another team to root for, and now you are saying you never did that. Make up your damn mind!
The NFL Players Association is getting the sense that the NFL will eventually hand down a full-season suspension for Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson, according to Pro Football Network’s Aaron Wilson. The NFLPA thinks the NFL might even choose an indefinite suspension lasting at least one year.
Watson settled 20 of the 24 civil lawsuits filed against him for sexual misconduct during massage sessions from 2020 to 2021. The NFL has mounted its own independent investigation into the accusations and will determine its disciplinary action from that investigation.
From Pro Football Network:
“Meanwhile, the Browns are awaiting a lengthy suspension for Watson. There is concern from the NFL Players Association that the league will look to suspend the former Clemson standout for the entire 2022 season, if not indefinitely, according to sources. Should that happen, the Browns are expected to go forward with Jacoby Brissett rather than try to reconcile with Mayfield.”
Watson joined the Browns in a trade where Cleveland sent three first-round picks (2022, 2023 and 2024), a third-round pick (2023) and a fourth-round pick (2024) in exchange for Watson and a fifth-round pick (2024). Soon after, the Browns inked Watson to a five-year, $230 million contract with all $230 milion guaranteed. At the time, he was facing 22 civil lawsuits for sexual misconduct.
In the article above, the word 'indefinite' is used...in this sentence..." The NFLPA thinks the NFL might even choose an indefinite suspension lasting at least one year."
It's not like anyone on the board is using the word out of context or based any so called agenda.
In the article above, the word 'indefinite' is used...in this sentence..." The NFLPA thinks the NFL might even choose an indefinite suspension lasting at least one year."
Are there quotes from the NFLPA that support that claim or is that the author's opinion? I'd like to see actual quotes from the NFLPA regarding that claim.
Furthermore, does anyone really believe the NFLPA is not going to challenge the NFL regarding Watson's suspension?
The NFL Players Association is getting the sense that the NFL will eventually hand down a full-season suspension for Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson, according to Pro Football Network’s Aaron Wilson. The NFLPA thinks the NFL might even choose an indefinite suspension lasting at least one year.
Watson settled 20 of the 24 civil lawsuits filed against him for sexual misconduct during massage sessions from 2020 to 2021. The NFL has mounted its own independent investigation into the accusations and will determine its disciplinary action from that investigation.
From Pro Football Network:
“Meanwhile, the Browns are awaiting a lengthy suspension for Watson. There is concern from the NFL Players Association that the league will look to suspend the former Clemson standout for the entire 2022 season, if not indefinitely, according to sources. Should that happen, the Browns are expected to go forward with Jacoby Brissett rather than try to reconcile with Mayfield.”
Watson joined the Browns in a trade where Cleveland sent three first-round picks (2022, 2023 and 2024), a third-round pick (2023) and a fourth-round pick (2024) in exchange for Watson and a fifth-round pick (2024). Soon after, the Browns inked Watson to a five-year, $230 million contract with all $230 milion guaranteed. At the time, he was facing 22 civil lawsuits for sexual misconduct.
No idea if that is feasible, possible, probable.... But if it comes to pass at least we can take solace in knowing the Browns did a thorough investigation.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
No idea if that is feasible, possible, probable.... But if it comes to pass at least we can take solace in knowing the Browns did a thorough investigation.
I am comfortable they did. You can investigate only as far as you can investigate. As i said before, this isn't like Jim Rockford always getting to the bottom of things. I suppose if we could have enlisted the CIA or FBI we could have accessed closed court documents or given Buzzbee truth serum to find out any names held deep in the bushes.
Just another comment, indefinite suspension could actually be a good thing. It sounds severe, but it could turn out that it could be 2 games.
I would think indefinite would be a bad move by the NFL. If they hand out a defined suspension,,,,6 games, 1 year, whatever, that pretty much puts it to rest. After the initial discussion, it pretty much goes away. If it is indefinite, the talk might go on week to week the whole season.
Any way you cut it there will be discussion when he goes on suspension and when he comes off. I think the NFL would want to eliminate that middle the word indefinite would create.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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