Yeah - what's really outrageous about this whole situation is using the phrase "blown up" to describe what happens when a body gets hit by an assault rifle at close range.
I'll just go tell the victims' families that they shouldn't be upset... it's not like their loved one was "blown up" or anything.
Justice Clarence Thomas once opposed Highland Park's assault weapons ban, saying that the 'overwhelming majority' of those with the rifles use them lawfully nmusumeci@insider.com (Natalie Musumeci) - 1h ago |
Highland Park, Illinois, banned assault rifles nearly a decade before Monday's mass shooting. The ban was challenged and the case made its way to the Supreme Court, which refused to hear it.
In a dissent, Justice Clarence Thomas wrote that an "overwhelming majority" use such weapons lawfully. 19 children and 2 teachers were killed in Uvalde, Texas, on Tuesday: Here are 5 countries that have taken radical steps to eliminate firearm deaths
On Monday, a gunman opened fire at the Fourth of July parade in Highland Park, Illinois, killing six people and leaving at least 24 others injured.
Police said they arrested a 22-year-old person of interest at roughly 6:30 p.m. local time after a two-hour manhunt in the northern Chicago area.
The US has had 314 mass shootings so far in 2022, according to the Gun Violence Archive, a nonprofit that tracks shootings in the US.
As shootings like these continue in the US, so do questions about gun control. Americans who fear their town or city could be the site of the next attack wonder what strategies the US could take to reduce gun violence.
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Nearly a decade before Monday's deadly mass shooting at a Fourth of July parade in Highland Park, Illinois, that left six dead and dozens injured, the Chicago suburb banned assault rifles like AR‐15s and AK‐47s.
That 2013 ban was swiftly challenged and the case made it all the way to the US Supreme Court, which ultimately rejected to hear it and instead let a lower court's ruling in favor of the ordinance stand.
But at the time, conservative Justice Clarence Thomas — who joined the nation's highest court in 1991 — opposed Highland Park's prohibition on assault weapons and large-capacity magazines, writing in a dissent that the "overwhelming majority" who use such weapons use them lawfully.
In Thomas' dissent, which was filed in December 2015 and joined by the late Justice Antonin Scalia, he called assault weapons "modern sporting rifles" and made references to the Second Amendment.
"The ordinance criminalizes modern sporting rifles (e.g., AR-style semi automatic rifles), which many Americans own for lawful purposes like self-defense, hunting, and target shooting," the dissent read.
Thomas deemed the city's ban "highly suspect because it broadly prohibits common semiautomatic firearms used for lawful purposes."
"Roughly five million Americans own AR-style semiautomatic rifles," read the dissent, which added, "The overwhelming majority of citizens who own and use such rifles do so for lawful purposes, including self-defense and target shooting."
The United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit upheld Highland Park's assault weapons ban after a local doctor and the Illinois State Rifle Association sued the city over it.
"[A]ssault weapons with large‐capacity magazines can fire more shots, faster, and thus can be more dangerous in aggregate. Why else are they the weapons of choice in mass shootings?" the appellate court wrote in its April 2015 opinion.
The court added, "A ban on assault weapons and large‐capacity magazines might not prevent shootings in Highland Park (where they are already rare), but it may reduce the carnage if a mass shooting occurs."
Authorities recovered a "high-powered rifle" from the scene after Monday's mass shooting in Highland Park, which comes on the heels of massacres in Uvalde, Texas, and Buffalo, New York.
It was not yet clear where the gun came from — but Democratic Highland Park Mayor Nancy Rotering who signed the ordinance banning assault weapons in 2013 — said that the gun used in the shooting was "legally obtained."
A suspect in the shooting was taken into custody on Monday after an hours-long manhunt, the FBI announced.
I will go back to the Doctor that was at the scene, and was interviewed.
He made the point several time over that the bullet from an AR15 style gun is pretty destructive to human tissue because it has very high velocity.
The bullet is designed to maximize velocity and creates a lethal shockwave as it passes through tissue.
Basically it enters the body as a quarter inch hole, but can leave much larger, especially if it hits something. In his terms, people were just blown apart.
There is information out there that supports this point, and why the ammo is probably the larger issue..
From a military perspective the smaller bullet means less recoil.
I heard two volleys, probably 60 rounds total so, 2 - 30 round clips were emptied in about 30 seconds.
You can search Youtube for demonstrations using ballistic gel.
The request suggests that some of the 19 children who were killed may have been so severely wounded and grouped so closely together that they were difficult to identify, according to experts in medical forensics.
Once again another lunatic on the local police and state police radar is involved in a mass shooting with an assault rifle. Pfft …serve and protect, the rich gun makers.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
how come the police didn't listen to dude's lyrics to build a case like they do the black rappers? I wonder if police ever bother to follow up on those dark metal bands and the lyrics they have in their music.
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American society doesn't want to make the tough decisions to do a deep dive into examining why we produce so many social misfits. They will never have the guts to truly identify these people and remove them from society because it's all about the individual's rights. Rights, rights, rights. Meanwhile, these monsters that we help create don't give a damn about the the others having the right to live and not be murdered in our schools, streets, churches, and businesses. And we get another round of gun outrage from the politicians, entertainers, and self-proclaimed do-gooders.
Swish, that surprises you. Get real. They trying to protect their jobs- not new. The gal, she may have broken some law- but she didn't care, she wanted to protect her kid/kids....nothing new.....same old same old.
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American society doesn't want to make the tough decisions to do a deep dive into examining why we produce so many social misfits. They will never have the guts to truly identify these people and remove them from society because it's all about the individual's rights. Rights, rights, rights. Meanwhile, these monsters that we help create don't give a damn about the the others having the right to live and not be murdered in our schools, streets, churches, and businesses. And we get another round of gun outrage from the politicians, entertainers, and self-proclaimed do-gooders.
You want to remove misfits from society? Who gets to decide who a misfit is? Is that more middle aged old white guys going to make decisions about what "normal is".... Have you ever watched Minority Report? Do you want to get into the business of removing people from society before they commit crimes?
The idea of a healthier community/society is something everyone can embrace. What are your solutions? Is it at State Level? Fed Level? Church and Community Level? Who funds it - because there is no helping and elevating people without cost and $$$$. What do you do if there are areas and parts of inner cities where people don't want to participate? How do you make people be better parents? Do you think that banning abortions in many states will lead to a healthier society? Or will that add additional layers of difficulties and issues.
It's really easy to write what you keep writing. But I have not seen any actually means of getting to the result. Not knocking what you wrote, as I said, it's admirable goal. But without the HOW it doesn't mean much. I've seen you talk about violent video games a few times .... [1] there have been studies that show that does not affect people the way you have suggested. [2] All the other countries in the world with low gun violence and issues all have violent video games too. So what's next to look at?
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Yeah, that was my message. Let's forget all the other comments I have made on the subject. Let's slap another label on someone who doesn't totally agree w/us that this is only a gun issue and not a societal problem.
I don't even know where to start. You have a tendency to be like Pit and twist intent, for example, the violent video game thing. The point I was making about them wasn't that they were the genesis of mass murders. My point was that many people feel isolated from their peers and spend an unusual amount of time playing video games where it is like a pretend world rather than interacting in a healthy manner w/their peers. To say that video games are the cause of mass murders would be just as ignorant as saying guns are the reason there are mass murders. Nothing about this is simple.
I do not pretend to know all the answers, but I have thrown out ideas. I think it begins w/research. A lot of research. Let's examine the political climates of countries. The amount of divide w/in different societies. The importance of social media. Family life. Free time. Accountability. We already know that other countries have stricter gun laws than we do. That is a good start, but we have to dive deeper. We must examine our current means of identifying and dealing w/troubled youths. Create new ways of treating those who are social misfits and work to change the environment that creates so many of them. I do know one thing.......resorting to ridiculing others w/conflicting opinions on social media will do nothing to make things better. In fact, it will only help create more problems.
Yet, here we are. Ganging up on, ridiculing, and labeling those who are different from the rest.
Yeah, that was my message. Let's forget all the other comments I have made on the subject. Let's slap another label on someone who doesn't totally agree w/us that this is only a gun issue and not a societal problem.
Look - I don't doubt that you have many varied opinions on the subject -- nor do I doubt this is, in part, a societal problem. I don't even necessarily disagree with several things that you have said here.
You do have a tendency to say pretty wild things in making your points here: "They will never have the guts to truly identify these people and remove them from society" is some evil sounding, sensationalist crap that should be rejected the second somebody proposes it.
You have good points too - but that's a terrible point, and we should probably all just move on from it.
Or worse, one of the morons that support one door in or out of a school... That's just idiotic and unsafe...
Moron, idiotic, unsafe? Look in the mirror. That's exactly what most public schools in the country do during school hours. In our district, all but the front door are locked once the school day begins. Visitors have to go in the front door where the security officer sits. They are able to be opened easily from the egress side in case of emergencies.
My guess is that that isn't true.. even if it is, it's dumb.. And illegal.
Fire Marshals would be all over your school for doing that..
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I wonder if police ever bother to follow up on those dark metal bands and the lyrics they have in their music.
Probably not. After all, it's the background noise that's pumping from their kids' bedrooms after they get off shift.
They did at one point in time. Though I haven't heard about it for decades. In fact it was the Dems that led that charge. Even senate hearings over musical content for children. Who could have possibly have thought at the time that Dee Snyder would have been the voice of reason. They thought dee would be an easy target, it just didn't turn out that way...
There was huge outrage over Ozzy's song Suicide Solution and a law suit against him by the parents of a kid who actually committed suicide. Although all it takes is for anyone to read the lyrics to see the song certainly doesn't promote suicide.
All of this was in the 80's and we haven't seen much about it since as far as I know.
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The band Judas Priest was also on trial for a double suicide in which the children's parents blamed on subliminal messages contained on the Stained Class album. What made the case interesting was the ruling that subliminal messages aren't protected by freedom of speech. The band was found not guilty.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
It was Tipper Gore that spearheaded this movement to attempt to censor music. This was also the time of the 'Satanic Panic' conspiracy of the 80s that played on parental anxieties at the time.
Or worse, one of the morons that support one door in or out of a school... That's just idiotic and unsafe...
Moron, idiotic, unsafe? Look in the mirror. That's exactly what most public schools in the country do during school hours. In our district, all but the front door are locked once the school day begins. Visitors have to go in the front door where the security officer sits. They are able to be opened easily from the egress side in case of emergencies.
My guess is that that isn't true.. even if it is, it's dumb.. And illegal.
Fire Marshals would be all over your school for doing that..
Maybe you should read his comment more closely before saying it's dumb.
And a slight correction on what jfan said. The doors can be opened up from the inside regardless of emergencies or not. Traveling to recess? Taking kids to Related Arts in outdoor buildings? Accessing the nature sight? Etc, etc............use the most convenient door to open from the INSIDE. Hell, every school I was at gave the teachers and staff ID badges that allowed us each door from the outside. I can't believe this is even being debated.
Or worse, one of the morons that support one door in or out of a school... That's just idiotic and unsafe...
Moron, idiotic, unsafe? Look in the mirror. That's exactly what most public schools in the country do during school hours. In our district, all but the front door are locked once the school day begins. Visitors have to go in the front door where the security officer sits. They are able to be opened easily from the egress side in case of emergencies.
My guess is that that isn't true.. even if it is, it's dumb.. And illegal.
Fire Marshals would be all over your school for doing that..
The doors are locked only to the outside. They may be fire alarmed from the inside. You didn't think they were locked so people couldn't escape a fire did you?
Or worse, one of the morons that support one door in or out of a school... That's just idiotic and unsafe...
Moron, idiotic, unsafe? Look in the mirror. That's exactly what most public schools in the country do during school hours. In our district, all but the front door are locked once the school day begins. Visitors have to go in the front door where the security officer sits. They are able to be opened easily from the egress side in case of emergencies.
My guess is that that isn't true.. even if it is, it's dumb.. And illegal.
Fire Marshals would be all over your school for doing that..
IT IS TRUE!!!!!! MY GOD MAN LISTEN TO THOSE WHO KNOW AND WHAT THEY ARE SAYING!!!!!! Fact schools in my town are locked from the outside. Only one entry point for visitors at each school. Visitors must be buzzed in. ALL doors are able to be opened from the inside. Most of those doors are alarmed if opened. I know this because I was a coach. I also know because my wife is a teacher.
He's been told this over and over and over again and it's factually true. There's really no debate about it. I have no idea why he keeps insisting differently.
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Neither do I. Normally I would just let this go since others have corrected him. Not sure why it bothers me so much that I felt the need to correct him as well.
Tragic on a couple of levels. So many lives could have been saved and how does one come to grips w/knowing that your own inaction was part of the reason that so many died?
Not to say the police reaction is the only thing that needs to be looked at, but I hope this police department is turned inside over all this inaction.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Or worse, one of the morons that support one door in or out of a school... That's just idiotic and unsafe...
Moron, idiotic, unsafe? Look in the mirror. That's exactly what most public schools in the country do during school hours. In our district, all but the front door are locked once the school day begins. Visitors have to go in the front door where the security officer sits. They are able to be opened easily from the egress side in case of emergencies.
My guess is that that isn't true.. even if it is, it's dumb.. And illegal.
Fire Marshals would be all over your school for doing that..
IT IS TRUE!!!!!! MY GOD MAN LISTEN TO THOSE WHO KNOW AND WHAT THEY ARE SAYING!!!!!! Fact schools in my town are locked from the outside. Only one entry point for visitors at each school. Visitors must be buzzed in. ALL doors are able to be opened from the inside. Most of those doors are alarmed if opened. I know this because I was a coach. I also know because my wife is a teacher.
I guess he's never seen these doors?
You know, the ones we're talking about? That are locked from the outside, but from the inside can be opened?
Worked at a school today. Golly gee, even when school is NOT in session, you have to be let in. They did unlock 2 doors for me so they didn't have to have someone standing there all day. Oh, and in the entire building, there were 5 people, not including me.
Those doors that are locked from the outside OPEN from the inside. Schools have them, churches have them, businesses have them.
And get this - this particular school district, you stand outside and ring a bell (that takes your picture) to get in. Then you get to ring another bell at the next door, to get in. To the office area.
Ain't no fire Marshall anywhere that is upset about these doors.
It was Tipper Gore that spearheaded this movement to attempt to censor music. This was also the time of the 'Satanic Panic' conspiracy of the 80s that played on parental anxieties at the time.
Hehehe... Stranger Things kinda glosses over it, but the Dungeons & Dragons and Heavy Metal satanism panics were quite real. There were a ton of people freaked out over that stuff, lol
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I remember all that ish. I was steady lmao through all of it.
I also rmbr that it messed some families up. Parents were being duped by quacks who promised to save their kids from demonic possession... oh, and remember those melting piles of LP's on public bonfires? That ish was crazy back then. Nowadays, it's a Tuesday.
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