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This is just a guess on my part, but I'd be really surprised if the root of all this was a lazy or otherwise ineffective investigation. I think they got the information they wanted, and made a judgement call based on said info and the risk they were willing to tolerate. IMO, I think people are having a hard time with Berry and Co. willing to take the DW risk. IMO, this goes back to one of their pillars ("if you don't have a fQB, keep pursuing"... or something like that (I'm paraphrasing)). I think, for the most part, Berry and Co. knew what they were buying and made the decision anyway.

One thing I think people my not be accounting for is that the team may have planned on Watson being suspended for the year, which Baker would play through on his 5th year option.

They apparently did not plan on the mess with Baker making that option completely unavailable.

Lawsuit Filed Against Texans
Plaintiffs' lawyer in Watson case announces first suit has been filed against team for allegedly enabling QB's behavior.

The saga continues with the drip-drip-drip in relation to Watson's behavior. So much for the Tony Buzbee conspiracy that he was working for the Texans. To be legitimate, the Texans would have had to enable Watson's inappropriate behavior.

Just before the NFL meets with Watson.

That doesn't necessarily have to be true. It could have been asked what it would take to secure Watson, and Berry and company gave scenarios, and Haslam could have just gave his approval if they wanted to and could pursue it. Doesn't have to be a forced hand for the events that took place.

j/c:

Texans are sued for 'enabling Browns star Deshaun Watson's sexual misconduct' as NFL is set to 'seek minimum year-long ban' at league disciplinary hearing this week

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...l-misconduct-hearing-set-start-week.html

Color me not surprised by your response.


Yet here you are doing it. Nobody twisted your words or tried to misinterpret what you stated. You obviously seemed to support allegations coming from the NLPA's attorney's directions after having cast aspersions from watson's attorney's allegations all along the way. There's nothing complicated about that. It was obvious and pointed out.


Yes, that's how you twist everything when you get called out on things. Like your double standard on accepting allegations depending on whose attorney's are stating those allegations. It's everyone elses fault, right?


The record indicates otherwise. People understand what backtracking is.


And you are upholding watson at every turn. Stop pretending you don't have an equal role in this.

I came in here and posted your own words. Exactly as you posted them. Nothing was changed. You used NFLPA attorney's allegations of what they could and would use in upcoming hearings as some kind of justifications to help absolve watson. You've been using that tactic for some time now. You know, how you would go hard at the NFL. In all likelihood it seems as if most if not all of what they're calling a defense won't even be considered if this thing goes to court.

And somehow you wish to twist that into being my fault. So much for personal responsibility.

We're starting to get a glimpse of what due diligence actually looks like.

This is the post I was referring to. You don't want us to discuss how the NFL handles discipline on a thread about will Watson play this year. That' oppression. You said Watson the only person responsible as if no one else matters. I replied that I believe in the legal system. You don't and that is your right. However, you and others cannot suppress free speech and you don't have the power to put a man in jail.

Also, I perfectly understand the Personal Conduct policy. No one has provided more information on it than I have. Yet, people ignore facts contained w/in that policy when I bring them up. For some of you, it's all about punishing Watson. That's your right if you want to act like a Fascist. However, don't expect me to come along for the ride when you consistently defy the laws of our land and also the very wording in the Personal Conduct policy which holds both players and owners accountable. At least the wording does.

I won't even read Pit's post from now on because he falls back on something like I quote your exact words, but then he totally misrepresents the meaning of those words. I can assure you that you guys can not stop me from expressing my free speech by trying to shout me down. Well, I guess I could be banned for speaking my mind, but that would be so very fascist in nature.

The NFL conduct policy pointing out that the legal system has nothing to do with their policy was pointed out and is obvious. It seems you feel that they should use the legal system to avoid living up to their contractual agreement. So be it.

Can you show anywhere, where anyone has told you or even suggested to you that you shouldn't or can't discuss how the NFL handles discipline? I didn't think so. Opposing opinions are not oppression. But I mean if someone were thin skinned and trying to silence those who disagree with them, they might wish to misrepresent it that way. Which is what you claimed you would never do while currently doing it. Unless of course you're trying to make lame excuses why people shouldn't have the right to question you. Which would much closer resemble oppression than anything you've described.

https://twitter.com/kalynkahler/status/1541441371776684032?s=20&t=qhFUC-soF7WbhaFiblKhDw

Maybe the Browns meant they wanted a QB in Adult Movies and it got twisted before it got to Baker?

Nobody has tried to stop you. nobody has misrepresented you. #liesoppression

You’re probably close to the truth but that doesn’t clear the FO from responsibility of doing the right thing instead of just follow their master. Weak characters is often part of questionable decisions.

The reason the media and the public opinion has been upset and don’t want in any circumstances the NFL to go soft on Watson is a combination of the severity the allegations and the Browns irrational actions. You simply don’t reward someone with 22 civil law suits regarding sexual harassment hanging over their head with a monster contract of that proportion. It’s new territory without any previous precedent. The Browns gave the NFL no other options than to go all in on a lengthy suspension.

Fate, as deshaun’s hearing approaches what I wish was better known is a little more about the ladies involved. While numbers like 24,26,66 etc sound really substantial all accusers are not the same. And this is not a blame the victim point at all.

The only victim I know anything about is one of the four still going forward with a lawsuit. Ashley or Ainsley something, I believe. She identifies herself as a licensed massage therapist. She has real credibility to me. To be a LMT in Ohio involves 750 hours of education and the passing of a rigorous licensing exam. In Texas I think it is 500 hours of education and an exam. An LMT has lots of opportunities for legit work. It is hard for me to imagine a person dedicating the time and money necessary to reach that goal so that they can still end their time giving happy endings to horny males. Just does not make sense.

On the other hand there are women who call themselves massage therapists who have no education and no training. They advertise in the adult section of that website that I cannot remember the name of right now. I am not sure if they still exist but there used to be massage parlors. In my ohio hometown years ago there was a strip of street that had multiple massage parlors. They were raided by the police often and people were arrested for prostitution.

Any of those women who professed shock or mental injury due to exposure to a penis during the massage would not have much credibility with me.

Knowing little about the women involved in this makes it difficult for me to evaluate. Hopefully the investigators have all necessary info.

I wish we had never made this trade so we could be talking about our team and not accusations, lawsuits and suspensions but sadly we are stuck.

Hasn't this already been addressed? They weren't about to get all up in someone's grill about an accusation regarding a potential employee. IMO, Buzbee could use any action/inaction on the Browns part like he's doing here.

I really can't get a handle on how this will resolve itself. I keep flip-flopping on a long suspension to a more reasonable one. The five cases thing bothered me a lot when I first read it and I felt like the long suspension was imminent. However, this tweet gives me a little hope especially because of the NFL's long history of not dealing w/these investigations fairly.

Yes, as far as I understand it was addressed. I thought Andrew Berry answered that in the press conference back in March regarding any Buzbee comments about not contacting his office, his clients, etc.

oober, is this what you are referring to?

Now if they could only explain not speaking with any law enforcement officials involved in the investigation or the prosecutor.

I get your point there...but I doubt either would tell them (the Browns) anything.

You would hope most would find that a reasonable assumption especially while the criminal investigation was ongoing. But here we are......

I think that's all fair. Ongoing investigation makes it hard to gather all the facts and talk to all the people you would want to. Right? Which means in a trade involving all that we gave up, how thorough can any investigation actually be?

I agree with nearly everything you're saying. In fact, you stripped these words right off of my keyboard...


I could type a page-full, but I'll keep it brief. MY opinion on this matter is that everything was clouded by two factors. #1 - Confirmation bias; and that attitude was instilled and encouraged by the man at the top. Easy to latch onto in the pursuit of elite talent at QB... if the man on the throne wants a certain outcome, those below him don't bear nearly as much responsibility if it goes south.

#2 - "Worst-case scenario" jaded by the obvious hurdles... P.R. nightmare, suspension... with not enough regard for "how bad could it possibly be". I think they already know they sh*t the bed on that front. Why? Refer back to #1.


Howver, this is where we have to lend a little more possibility for the unknown...


The Browns hired a team of P.I.s... It's fair to assume they did speak to some of these people and relay plenty of information. The team is right about talking to people involved in the case (the fact that they shouldn't), but true "diligence" would mean they got all the info they needed from those individuals without speaking to them directly.

There would be no reason not to after the matter was settled. During such an investigation or before the grand jury concluded that would make perfect sense. But after the proceedings are over, there is not an ongoing investigation with which one has the need not to comment. I mean if you think about it, even the prosecutor herself stated that a lack of charges going forward did not prove watson's innocence.

I can't disagree, but "further investigation" would have likely resulted in "missing the boat".

The GJ declined to indict Friday afternoon -- the Browns were on a plane Monday evening. All eyes were on "the prize".

As I posted earlier, I don't know what the outcome of the league's investigation will be or how much of a suspension DW will get. However, I've been hearing and reading we could find out in a week or so. To me that seems fitting being that the 4th of July holiday is right around the corner which of course brings us many fireworks and explosions. We should have a lot more involving our beloved Browns with the DW suspension. That being said, may I suggest a new theme song which I feel is germane to the subject matter. "You dropped a bomb on me" (us) by the Gap Band!! Seems apropos to the whole situation!!

Probably the same thing as the other 13 teams that had interest in Watson. You rarely get a chance to trade for an elite qb and that the QB is the most important position in ALL of sports. If you get the chance to acquire one, you do so.....provided you have the necessary resources.

I get that you don't like our owner, our FO, and our new QB......but, I applaud the Browns for recognizing that they had an excellent roster and understood they had to move on from a dud qb to a guy who can bring them long-term success, even if the short-term is going to be rough.

I think anyone who isn't aware that on Tuesday, the NFL is going to suspend Watson indefinetly with a review after a full year,
just hasn't been following along.

That will happen tomorrow, (itLt) and what follows will be the next moves.

You are right, Throw. I haven't been "following" along.

A number of years ago, I went to a neighbors house that was for sale. I was sure it was out of our price range. I was correct, plus it wasn't all that, truthfully.

This fancy new hire, that won't see the field for..........." Maybe 2 years with his year of sitting out in Texas. That 'dud' quarterback that played injured most of last year? He'd be better than any qb that won't see the field more than likely for half the season at a minimum.

He's not going to be here, arch.

It's a sad state of affairs that we went from contenders to arguing about 2 guys who wont be playing for us this year.

I understand that completely. However, neither is Watson going to be here for much of the year.

Yeah, you are probably right.