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Akron police release footage of Jayland Walker firing gun from car, before dozens of shots by Akron police: See video


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CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Eight Akron police officers fatally shot Jayland Walker early Monday after he fired a gun during a car chase and reached for his waistband after he fled the car on foot, police said Sunday in the first city news conference since Walker’s death.

Warning: This graphic video may be disturbing for viewers.


Police released two body camera videos, which show the chase, the 25-year-old Walker fleeing the passenger side of his Buick in a parking lot and officers firing a barrage of shots over several seconds.


The family’s attorney, Bobby DiCello, said the presentation was different from the presentation the family received earlier.

“When we were in the church, I’ll say exactly what was said to me, the chief said at that time, ‘He did not see the movement that would put these officers in fear.’”

Akron Mayor Dan Horrigan called the video “heartbreaking.”


“I’ve talked about being beyond outraged and beyond shocked,” he said. “I am urging all our residents, please reserve your full judgment until the investigation is complete. You’ll have to do one of the most difficult things I can ever ask somebody to do and that is to please be patient.”


The NAACP held a rally at Akron City Hall after the news conference.

At 12:30 a.m. Monday, police say they attempted to pull Walker, a DoorDash driver, over for traffic and equipment violations. Chief Steve Mylett, who took over the Akron department 10 months ago, did not specify which infractions. Body cam video shows Walker headed southbound on Route 8, where a shot was fired from his car and he reached speeds up to 70 mph. After slowing his vehicle near the Firestone Park neighborhood, minutes from the University of Akron campus, Walker took off on foot toward a nearby parking lot, where he was fatally shot by police.

Akron police shooting
A still from an ODOT traffic camera on Ohio 8 shows Jayland Walker firing a gun from his car, Akron police said.

When a shot was fired from Walker’s car, Mylett said, “it went from being a routine traffic stop to a public safety issue.”

The chase lasted about 6 minutes, over 5.8 miles, according to the city.

Video shows Walker leaving the passenger side of his car, wearing a ski mask, while the car was still moving. The police department does not have police car dash cameras.

Akron news conference
Screenshots from Akron police body cam footage of Jayland Walker's death.

Video shows police using tasers to stop Walker, but they did not work.

Mylett said officers, who are on paid administrative leave, believed Walker was reaching for a gun in his waistband.

Akron news conference
Akron police played still photos from body cam video, which they show Jayland Walker turning toward police and making a threatening motion.


After the shooting, video showed police found a handgun, ammunition and what appears to be a gold wedding ring found in the front seat of Walker’s Buick. Walker was unarmed when he was shot by police. Mylett said officers tried to administer first aid, but Walker died on scene.

The Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation and Ohio attorney general’s office are investigating the shooting. The Akron police department’s internal affairs department is also investigating.

“This multi-step process is designed to assure fairness and thoroughness,” the city said in a statement. “As such, even though the community wants information about this incident as quickly as possible, each agency will require sufficient time to conduct its investigations and complete its work with the detail and attention this case deserves.”

The Summit County Medical Examiner’s Office investigation shows Walker had more than 60 wounds, Mylett said. He said it is possible that 90 shots were fired, a number DiCello referenced last week.

Of the eight officers involved, seven are white and one is Black, according to city news release. All have served in the department for six years or less and have had no previous discipline issues or fatal shootings.

Akron police involved in Jayland Walker shooting
The city of Akron released demographics on the eight officers involved in the Jayland Walker shooting.


Summit County Black elected leaders, including U.S. Rep. Shontel Brown, have called for justice.

At the conference, Akron Deputy Mayor Marco Sommerville praised the city’s charter amendment requiring body cam footage to be released within seven days, as well as as the independent investigation.

“I know there’s anger,” Sommerville said. “I have sons. It could have been my son. It’s OK to protest, but we also ask them to do it in a peaceful manner.”

Mylett offered condolences to Walker’s family and thanked them for their calls for peace.

“If Jayland reflects the character of this family, which I continually heard that he did. You raised a good son.”

Following the police press conference, DiCello held a press conference outside the Firestone Park Community Center, where the city held its news conference. DiCello held up a photo of Walker. “This is why we’re here, this is why the chief spoke today. This is why I’m speaking to you. His name is Jayland and he’s not a monster, he’s my client.”

Kenneth P. Abbarno, another attorney on DiCello’s team, also criticized the fact that after a week has gone by since the shooting, officers have not given a formal statement.


“The freshest time for people to remember the most critical details is at the actual time that it happened,” he said. “Witness statements aren’t best taken perhaps after someone has the opportunity to watch the video frame-by-frame in slow motion and then remember the events afterwards.”

DiCello also mentioned that a month ago, Walker lost his fiancée, but had been coping with the loss. He did not speculate on why Walker, who had no prior criminal background, would run from police, but he was clear that his behavior did not warrant a death sentence.

“That behavior is not lethal behavior. It’s bizarre, sure, but officers find bizarre occasions all the time...A couple days ago, a guy with my skin color, held off police, killed a couple and is in jail today. And a Black man is going to be buried when he leaves the morgue.”

Dude acted like a GTA character, and got treated like one. Oh well.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

I heard something about just losing his fiancé. Not sure if that meant she died or she jilted him. Maybe it was suicide by cop?

I guess getting in to a high speed chase from police, shooting at them along the way, then running away from the car wearing a ski mask, then pausing to turn without hands in air is a good way to do it.

I get the "act stupid - brandishing or firing a gun" near the police and wind up getting shot. Getting shot 60 times? Does not seem like a reasonable response.

https://newsone.com/playlist/white-arrested-with-by-police/

Maybe Jayland deserved his fate. I still see an issue in disproportionate responses:


https://newsone.com/playlist/white-arrested-with-by-police/

It's an entirely reasonable response when you consider that there were eight officers firing. If one officer had fired 7 to 8 rounds, that's a normal response when using deadly force. If eight officers are there, none of them are going to be like "oh, those other guys are here, so I'm not gonna draw mine" because that's how you end up with nobody drawing. If you're in a situation where you need to draw, you do. There were eight officers. Each one dispensing the same number of rounds as if there was just one isn't out of line... it just sounds like it should be when you add it up.

Not really, be it a high number.

It was a charged situation with a suspect who had shot at police earlier, so when the kid charged out of the car, the police had every reason to believe he was armed, so police guns were drawn.

The first move was to tase, but it failed. With 8 or however many cops were on scene, when that first shot was fired as the kid moved to turn, everybody started shooting, and in a case like that, they don't shoot once. They also didn't know who started shooting except for the cop who fired first.

Some people drop after one shot, but some stay standing for a while, reacting to the shots. If the kid started jerking around for few seconds, in shock, it could look like he was still moving to be a threat, even if he went to the ground. I can see how that many rounds were popped off.

If you are, or think you are being shot at and you have a gun, you pull the trigger fast and often. It's no time to be asking questions when something like that starts.

this is where i push back.

just to clarify just in case: the cops killing him was justified.

but it does say something about how many cops are a crap shot. 60 rounds to put one guy down? let's be clear here: that's just the rounds that hit the suspect. that doesn't count all the other rounds that missed.

and i'm sure some of those rounds came after the body already dropped to the ground. this ain't the movies where dudes just be standing through a hail of bullets and slowly drop to the ground. 2-3 and the body is on the ground like a bag of groceries.

so the only pushback i give in this situation is that our trained cops are horrible shots who need to empty their clips in order to drop one single target.

You had eight guys firing, but each fired less than one mag. Given what had to be some serious adrenaline given the chase, I don't find it all that unreasonable.

Note: I'm not saying it ain't a LOT. It is a freaking TON, lol.... but, given the number of cops in position to fire and the adrenaline that HAD to been pumping, it's understandable. Like I said, if it was just a single cop and he dumped 10 rounds, nobody would bat an eye even once. It just seems way more out of line because you had 8 guys that dumped 10 rounds.

You've fired with adrenaline pumping, I know you have... you know that squeezing off ten happens in a blink.

JC.

https://daiglelawgroup.com/new-study-on-shooting-accuracy-how-does-your-agency-stack-up/

In 15 incidents, the total number of rounds fired could not be determined. But in the 134 cases where researchers could establish that figure, they calculated the hit rate, “incredibly,” at merely 35%. In other words, more than six out of 10 rounds fired were misses.

a miss rate that high is not uncommon or abnormal. There's a HUGE difference between shooting paper while standing in a stall at the range and shooting on the move with adrenaline jacking your heart rate. just trying to get your eyes right can be tough as hell, not to mention the way your upper body and arms move with the increased breathing.


There are shooting competitions that attempt to simulate this by having the shooters do Crossfit movements as they move between target areas. Could be burpees or sandbag carries or pullups, or even combinations of... and then you have to shoot targets with limited rounds on a timer.

i agree that the adrenaline is a huge factor here.

it just the amount of rounds fired at one dude. and then all those rounds missing the target on top of it. at some point, training has to overcome adrenaline. the amount of shots fired would have me thinking dude was aiming a RPG at them or something.

so that's all i'm highlighting really. these guys need better training and more consistent practice. spray and pray shouldn't be a thing with law enforcement. we don't even do that in a warzone. there'd be so many investigations on our asses if we did that in iraq.

Agreed, and what would have been the collateral damage if this happened in a more congested area?

Even if we went with an optimistic 50% hit rate, that would mean 120 shots fired. If there's 8 cops that is every cop unloading their entire mag in most cases.

Watching the video of the body cam, he went to the ground after 1.5 seconds, the police continued for fire for 5-6 seconds while he laid motionless on the ground.

you got a few more opportunities than they likely have had, no doubt
There is no substitute for training, but I'm not sure how they get training for this... I mean, there's trigger discipline and all, and counting your rounds, but that only gets you so far. Checking fire under duress with adrenaline jacked is kinda O.J.T., right?

Again, I look at less than one mag per cop as being not that much. I'm not looking at the total number at all because of course it will look absurd when you multiply one mag time eight, but none of the eight are gonna check up in those couple of seconds because of how many cops there were because in the moment I guarantee that none of them knew that there were eight there and all were firing. That realization would hit after it was done.

Yes, the total is insane, and dude had to look like road kill after that, but the above is why I'm not overly worried about the sensationalizing of the total.

bro you are 100% correct.

the issue is we're talking about people who shoot for fun - casuals - and "defense" vs people who are licensed, trained, and paid to be highly proficient in these sort of situations. they are paid to literally have a higher proficiency in firearms in multiple situations and environments than the average citizen.

even you have to admit that watching these cam footages throughout the years, the standards seem to be very laxed. way too many trigger happy cops, and way too many situations where the cop is escalating the situation, where we now have whole arguments about why the civilian is expected to act more calm in a police interaction than the actual police.

60 rounds to hit one target bro, not including the total shot count, from 8 different cops. if you and i did that when we were active, we'd be bunkmates in Ft. Leavenworth.

ok, I wasn't aware of that aspect. That's just absurd. Once he's down, you check fire.
I mean, it wouldn't have changed his outcome, and at that point there's little chance of anyone missing and there being any collateral damage, but, yeah.... that's a bit over the top.

Many of the shots were after he was down. On some of the body cams you could hear someone yelling to cease fire. On One of the last body cams you hear it roughly when he hits the ground where in others it becomes audible much later. Just posting for clarification.

yea i agree. i guess i just brought it up because for the actual incident itself, there's not a person on this planet that can protect the suspect from full culpability, so SBD's thread would've been dead before it had a chance to blossom.

my overall issue with law enforcement is the training factor, which seems to be...let's just say somewhat ineffective, to be nice.

and yea this is what i'm talking about when i question the shooting. bullets and dead bodies don't work that way. dude had to be laying on the ground when some of those rounds hit. so i wonder if they do a proper investigations, how many bullet traces can you find on the surrounding area of the body, meaning the ones that they fired but missed.

spray and pray has no business being a law enforcement thing.

Amen. They don't have DoD budgets, though. Training still has to be paid for. Lots of departments struggle to put enough boots on the streets as it is.
Not excusing the poor training, but just adding a known qualifier to help folks understand that this is what you vote for when you vote against some taxes.

I agree completely.

yes and here we go. this is why i don't complain about paying taxes. i care about how it's getting spent by government. but if i'm paying more knowing that we have a real budget for state/local law enforcement to keep to meet the training standard, that's money well spent. but under no situation will lowering the tax rate for anyone of any class will fix that problem.

but then we run into what i call the Great American Conundrum, where we need big government to fix a problem, but don't trust big government to fix the problem, so we limit their power to do anything, complain about them not doing anything, get mad at nothing changing, yet voting in the very people who won't change it.

at some point something has to give.

well, other than the 1911 on my hip, I had a 12-gauge if I was carrying anything, so if I put 60 rounds into something... there's no evidence left
You're flying solo in Leavenworth

bro, what was the best location to port during your career? i know the tours on the boat kinda suck, but y'all always got to port and explore some cool ass places.

Which is why I will never buy into the premise that arming teachers is a solution or that more guns in the hands of "good guys" is the solution.

I have not watched the video. I don't know what happened or how many officers were shooting or for how long. I'd imagine in a charged, adrenaline fueled moment 5 seconds would seem like an eternity on one hand and like the blink of an eye on the other.

Rhodes, Greece.
Benidorm, Spain is a close second.... other than that, it was fun places like Dubai, Abu Dhabi, and Bahrain after spending months off the coast of Somalia.

The first duty station was overseas shore duty in Bermuda, so that was alright.