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Bannon on many ways is the person behind the strategy to overthrow the government.

He is no doubt about it a truly evil person along with Stephan Miller who was trumps speech writer. Miller is behind the whole build the wall policy.

Not about security about anti brown people.

When looking at these people it is remarkable how closely they resemble nazi's in the true sense of ideology.

Justice Department Steps Up Jan. 6 Probe of Those in Trump’s Orbit
DOJ commits more resources to pursue evidence of criminal involvement as House hearings reveal activities of Trump and his circle before and during Capitol attack

President Donald Trump speaking at the rally on Jan. 6 of last year, in Washington, D.C., before his supporters attacked the U.S. Capitol.
PHOTO: JACQUELYN MARTIN/ASSOCIATED PRESS
By Sadie GurmanFollow
, Aruna ViswanathaFollow
and Alexa CorseFollow
July 16, 2022 8:27 am ET


WASHINGTON—The Justice Department is adding prosecutors and resources to its investigation into the actions of former President Donald Trump’s allies to overturn the 2020 election, according to people familiar with the matter, as the related congressional hearings have turbocharged interest in Mr. Trump’s own role in that effort.

A Justice Department team focusing on elements of the investigation beyond the violence at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, has in recent weeks been given more personnel, office space and an expanded mandate, the people said.

Prosecutors have charged around 850 people in connection with the Jan. 6 violence, including more than a dozen members of right-wing groups charged with engaging in a seditious conspiracy against the U.S.

As the Justice Department began in late 2021 to develop cases alleging complex conspiracies and investigate sources of funding, it assigned an experienced prosecutor from Maryland, Thomas Windom, to focus on those efforts.


Justice Department prosecutor Thomas Windom is focusing on cases alleging complex conspiracies related to the Jan. 6 attack.
PHOTO: JULIO CORTEZ/ASSOCIATED PRESS
Mr. Windom previously met with some skepticism within the department when he pushed to explore the activities of several members of Mr. Trump’s inner circle, the people said, with some officials believing prosecutors lacked sufficient evidence to pursue those paths. But the hearings have revealed new details of Mr. Trump’s actions leading up to and on Jan. 6, 2021, that legal experts have said could put the former president in greater legal jeopardy for charges such as fraud, inciting a riot or obstructing the election’s certification.

The testimony of former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson in particular—including her allegation that Mr. Trump knew some of the protesters were armed but wanted them at his rally and at the Capitol anyway—has broadened some Justice Department officials’ view of the potential scope of the probe, the people said, though officials said the testimony didn’t prompt any change in investigative strategy.

Ms. Hutchinson told the committee on June 28 that Mr. Trump was concerned that magnetometers were keeping supporters from attending his speech at the Ellipse earlier in the day on Jan. 6. She said she overheard him saying something to the effect of, “I don’t effing care that they have weapons. They’re not here to hurt me. Take the mags away. Let the people in, they can march to the Capitol from here.”

Former prosecutors have identified that testimony as the first to speak to Mr. Trump’s intent as tension escalated that day, and said it suggests he knew some of the protesters were armed and urged them toward the Capitol anyway as lawmakers were certifying President Biden’s victory in the 2020 election. Prosecutors would need to prove that Mr. Trump knew his actions would result in violence to pursue a related criminal case against the former president.


Former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson alleged that former President Donald Trump knew that some of his supporters were armed on Jan. 6 before they attacked the Capitol.
PHOTO: ROD LAMKEY/ZUMA PRESS
Mr. Trump has denied wrongdoing. In reaction to Ms. Hutchinson’s testimony, he posted a message on his Truth Social service that he had never complained about the crowd size at his Ellipse speech.

As recently as March, the Justice Department was seeking additional prosecutors from around the country to work on the Capitol riot investigation for two-year terms, according to a job posting, suggesting officials expect a protracted investigation and court cases.

“The ramping up of resources is usually an indication that prosecutors are casting a broader net,” said Robert Mintz, a former federal prosecutor. “The House committee hearings have undoubtedly ratcheted up the pressure on federal prosecutors to broaden their own investigation to include the testimony that has emerged.”

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Top Justice Department leaders and prosecutors on the case have said they aren’t taking cues from the congressional inquiry and its widely televised hearings, stressing that their investigation is operating separately.

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But the two investigations at times appear to be following similar tracks. People familiar with the department’s probe have said criminal subpoenas have tended to closely follow requests issued by the committee and revealed publicly.

For example, federal investigators searched the home of Jeffrey Clark. a former Justice Department official in the Trump administration, one day before his alleged actions in support of Mr. Trump’s efforts were the subject of a congressional committee hearing. Mr. Clark has denied wrongdoing.

Justice Department officials have expressed frustration that the committee hasn’t yet shared transcripts of hundreds of interviews it has conducted, saying the panel’s unwillingness to provide them before it finishes its hearings is hobbling prosecutors’ investigations. Without the transcripts, Justice officials heard Ms. Hutchinson’s allegations for the first time when she testified in public, people familiar with the matter said.

Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson (D., Miss.) told CNN the committee has started producing information for the Justice Department, but only related to its investigation into the submission of false slates of pro-Trump electors to Congress.

The pro-Trump electors cast symbolic ballots for Mr. Trump in several states he lost, hoping Congress would count them instead of the official results. Several electors have denied any wrongdoing, saying they only meant to preserve options in case a court ruling broke Mr. Trump’s way.

Mr. Thompson said the Justice Department is interested in transcripts of the interviews the committee has conducted with some of the false electors. He also suggested the panel wouldn’t be turning over transcripts in their entirety but would consider having prosecutors come review them in person.

A Justice Department official said the agency still wants all the transcripts.


The false-electors portion of the Justice Department’s investigation has been under way for several months. Prosecutors have issued subpoenas seeking information about the unauthorized pro-Trump electors, two people familiar with the subpoenas said.

One subpoena, issued in May to Patrick Gartland, a Georgia Republican who signed up to be a Trump elector but said he withdrew before the election, sought any communications about any efforts to serve as a Trump elector with a list of nearly 30 people, including attorneys John Eastman and Rudy Giuliani and other conservative activists, according to a copy reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. Mr. Trump lost Georgia by nearly 12,000 votes.

Mr. Gartland said he spoke to federal investigators who visited his home. The subpoena and other aspects of Mr. Windom’s focus were earlier reported by the New York Times.

In Maryland, Mr. Windom developed a reputation as a standout prosecutor who scored convictions in several high-profile domestic terrorism cases. Those include that of U.S. Coast Guard Lt. Christopher Paul Hasson, a white nationalist who was sentenced in 2020 to more than 13 years in prison for plotting to kill journalists, Supreme Court justices and politicians and having a cache of illegal weapons.

The Jan. 6 committee hearings have intensified pressure on Attorney General Merrick Garland to pursue a criminal case against Mr. Trump. Mr. Garland has said the only pressure he feels is “to do the right thing.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/justic...umps-orbit-11657974467?mod=djemalertNEWS

Trump campaign operative who delivered Jan. 6 false elector lists is identified
Mike Roman passed the names to a House GOP aide in a bid to get them to then-Vice President Mike Pence, people familiar with the episode told POLITICO.

Rioters loyal to then-President Donald Trump outside of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington.
Rioters waving Trump and U.S. flags outside of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington. | Jose Luis Magana/AP Photo

By KYLE CHENEY and NICHOLAS WU

07/15/2022 07:52 PM EDT

A little-known Donald Trump campaign operative delivered lists of false electors to Capitol Hill in a bid to get them to Vice President Mike Pence on Jan. 6, 2021, according to two people familiar with the episode.

Mike Roman, then Trump’s 2020 director of Election Day operations, delivered those false elector certificates — signed by pro-Trump activists in Michigan and Wisconsin — to Rep. Mike Kelly’s (R-Pa.) chief of staff at the time, both people told POLITICO. Kelly was a Trump ally in the effort to overturn the 2020 election, and his then-top aide received the documents from Roman before deputizing a colleague to disseminate copies on Capitol Hill, according to both people.

Roman’s role in the effort to deliver those slates of electors directly to Pence has not previously been reported. The onetime Trump White House researcher and former aide to the conservative Koch network, who was subpoenaed in February by the Jan. 6 select committee, did not respond to multiple requests for comment for this story.

The origin of the false elector lists, which never got to Pence before he presided over certification of Joe Biden’s victory on Jan. 6, has become an enduring subplot in the select panel’s investigation of the Capitol attack designed to disrupt that day. After the committee revealed the role of a top aide to Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) in the episode during a hearing last month, Johnson said the false elector lists came from Kelly — who has repeatedly denied any involvement by his office in their distribution.

Committee links Trump campaign to plot attempting to replace electors on Jan. 6


“They have changed their story, from denying their involvement outright to now not denying their former chief of staff’s involvement,” said Alexa Henning, a Johnson spokesperson. “Congressman Kelly should be issuing Senator Johnson an apology for participating in the perpetration of false stories regarding Senator Johnson’s minimal involvement in this matter.”

Kelly has recently touted the results of an “internal investigation” that identified Matt Stroia, his chief of staff at the time, as the intermediary for the lists. That inquiry found that the lists were never passed from Stroia, now a Pfizer lobbyist, to Johnson’s office. Kelly’s office, in response to a request for comment, said Stroia had a previous relationship with members of the Trump team and got contacted by someone linked to that team on Jan. 6.

“Matthew got the information,” Kelly’s current chief of staff, Tim Butler, said in an interview. “There was another staffer here in the office who was asked to physically walk it over. And it’s just those two individuals that were involved.”

Neither of those two individuals worked in Kelly’s office any longer, Butler said. Kelly’s office declined to identify the other staffer involved.

Neither Roman nor Stroia returned requests for comment for this story.

Both people who confirmed Roman’s involvement in the transmission of the elector lists spoke on condition of anonymity amid the select panel’s ongoing investigation into the runup to the attack and Trump’s role in it.

Highlights: Select panel says Trump, not his advisers, set Jan. 6 in motion
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The Jan. 6 committee’s mention of his office’s role put Johnson, facing a tough reelection race this fall, on the back foot. He later told a home-state radio host: “My office’s entire involvement in this thing lasted 70 minutes. My involvement was probably seconds, maybe a minute or two.”

Roman’s involvement, however, clarifies another piece of the puzzle behind Trump’s effort to seize a second term he didn’t win. Trump, relying on a band of fringe attorneys, spent much of December 2020 leaning on Republican state legislatures in a handful of states to ignore the results and deliver pro-Trump electors to Congress.

Under Trump’s plan, Pence — required by the Constitution to preside over the counting of electoral votes on Jan. 6, 2021 — would cite the “alternate” and illegitimate electors to block Biden’s victory or delay the count altogether. Ultimately, no state legislature agreed to Trump’s plan, but the former president’s campaign still assembled activists to sign false documents claiming to be genuine presidential electors and delivered them to Congress.

The plan fell apart when Pence refused to go along, contending that doing so would violate multiple provisions of federal law and insisting he had no power to do anything other than introduce certified electoral votes. Pence, who had huddled with advisers and the Senate parliamentarian to flesh out his position, had decided well before Jan. 6 that he would not attempt to overturn Biden’s victory.

But that didn’t stop the Trump campaign from attempting to place some of the false slates directly into Pence’s hands on Jan. 6.

The Justice Department is in talks with the select committee about evidence specifically related to the false electors effort, Jan. 6 panel chair Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.) said this week.

DOJ has in recent weeks subpoenaed a slew of Trump allies who acted as false electors, including several state GOP chairs. It has also subpoenaed state-level operatives working on Trump’s campaign.

In addition, FBI agents recently seized the phone of attorney John Eastman, a top strategist for Trump’s effort who worked closely on the plan to appoint false electors. Eastman is fighting in a New Mexico federal court to get his phone back but was dealt a setback Friday evening when a judge denied his motion for a restraining order.

When subpoenaing Roman, who is from Pennsylvania, the select committee cited records reflecting his push to convince Republican state legislatures to appoint pro-Trump slates of presidential electors as part of a strategy to boost the losing campaign.

“[T]he Select Committee is in possession of communications reflecting your involvement in a coordinated strategy to contact Republican members of state legislatures in certain states that former President Trump had lost and urge them to “reclaim” their authority by sending an alternate slate of electors that would support former President Trump,” Thompson wrote in a letter accompanying the subpoena.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/15/jan-6-trump-operative-false-electors-00046175

General question: What should we do with all these GOPer traitors in congress, those now out of government, and of course DJT, now that the facts are out? And please don't pretend they are not guilty, you can lie to yourself, but not the rest of us.

Anybody else curious to find out about Ray Epps?

We've already found out -- the New York Times says he's a victim of a propaganda campaign.

Sit down, shut up, we'll tell you what to think.

What's the old saying,, if you lay down with dogs, you likely will wake up with fleas...

As for this situation, trump is the dog, the fleas are charges.

Trump won't back you up, he'll throw you under a bus if it means saving himself. These guys and Lindsey Graham should remember that...

Here you go! Yet another Trumpian conspiracy theory from the bowels of the internet that has ruined a man's life. You shouldn't spread this trash, Peen. Smh.

Fate seems to think that means we are forcing the narrative on you. I guess that's the alternative reality thing...


Trump supporter at center of a Jan. 6 conspiracy theory: "It's just been hell"

Ray Epps, a Trump supporter from Arizona, traveled to Washington, D.C., in January of 2021 to support the former president — a decision that he says has haunted him since, he told the New York Times.

Why it matters: Epps emerged at the center of an unfounded conspiracy theory after the Jan. 6 riot that pinned him as a covert FBI agent who helped incite the attack. His story underscores how quickly conspiracy theories can reverberate — and their dangerous long-term impacts.

Driving the news: The baseless theory, pushed by right-wing media outlets and Republican politicians, prompted death threats and resulted in Epps leaving his home and selling his business, he told the Times.

- “And for what — lies?" Epps, 61, told the Times in a daylong interview from an undisclosed location in the Rocky Mountains.

- "All of this, it’s just been hell," Epps said in the interview.

The big picture: After the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, Trump and his allies falsely blamed a number of actors for the violence that ensued that day, with Antifa and the FBI emerging at the center of many of the tales, per the Times.

- Trump allies pushed the false theory that the FBI pre-planned the attack on the Capitol to punish conservatives.

Zoom in: Right-wing media outlets, including Revolver News, compiled selectively edited videos in an effort to show Epps as a secret government agent who was responsible for provoking the riot, per the Times.

- Trump, Fox News host Tucker Carlson and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) all elevated the conspiracy theory.

- "I am at the center of this thing, and it’s the biggest farce that’s ever been,” Epps told the Times. "It’s just not right. The American people are being led down a path. I think it should be criminal."

- Revolver News, an obscure right-wing media outlet, published its first article about Epps in October, almost immediately setting off a flurry of death threats, trespassers at his home and family members and friends turning on him.

- In January, Epps received a letter from someone who claimed to have been brought into the country by a Mexican drug cartel who warned that some members discussed killing Epps, per the Times.

Epps and his wife are seeking a lawyer to help them file a defamation lawsuit against many of the individuals who pushed the fake story, per the Times.

- "The truth needs to come out," he said

Between the lines: Epps did attend the Jan. 6 riot in D.C., but believers of the false story say that because he was never arrested, he is being protected by the government.

- Yes, but: There are a number of other individuals who were involved in the attack — and investigated by the FBI — who were not arrested, the Times notes.

- Epps also says that because he contacted the FBI within minutes of learning that agents wanted to interview him, he was able to avoid arrest. He also said he never actually entered the Capitol.

As a result of the threats, Epps fled Arizona, leaving behind his mobile home to settle in a trailer park in the Rocky Mountains.

- He now keeps a low profile, wearing a wide-brimmed hat when he goes out, but he knows that his connection to the conspiracy theory will long linger.

- "They’ll always be associated," Epps told the Times.

- "You can’t convince some people. There are extremists out there that you’ll never convince them that they’re wrong."

https://www.axios.com/2022/07/13/ray-epps-jan-6-capitol-riot-conspiracy-theory

2 men who pepper-sprayed officers at the Capitol riot last year wept as a judge sentenced them to over 3 years in prison

https://www.businessinsider.com/two...GRIZeCdGubYHWO_StKOgEDd8RiVYjVsx4AHjMAx4

The sweet delicious tears of insurrectionists. Rot losers.

I don't see insurrection as something they are convicted of.

Don't feel bad. A lot of people can't and don't see it.

So you see where they plead guilty to insurrection? Can you point that out? Bonus points if you can show a copy of the court document on the plea deal.

You still can't see it.

Can't see what's not there.

And sometimes people can't see what is there. They pretend that if a court hasn't ruled and found someone guilty of something it didn't happen. Even when they watched it happen and heard it happen.

He trying to be DT's Alan Derp-awitz by mincing words.

They weren't charged with insurrection, so they can't be insurrectionists. Even though they participated in an actual insurrection.

You can see how that works, I'm sure.

How many people have been convicted of insurrection at this point?


Just curious.

And he insists on still doing it. And yes, people can see what he's doing.

None.

Don't try to gloat too soon.... "Insurrection" is the act of attempting to overthrow the government. It is not legal term. The legal charge would be seditious conspiracy... and we've seen plenty of that.

Cute game you're still trying to play, Mr. Mincer, but you are going to have to up the quality of your output.

Not gloating. I'm just not letting myself get ahead of the process. How many people have been convicted of "seditious conspiracy"?

Sorry, I think I asked you this before and can’t remember if there was an answer. Are you also KFrankB on Twitter?

You've not asked before, though you may have meant to.

I don't use twitter, so no, it isn't me.

Is he also a witty and handsome fella?

Haha hell if I know, but sure we’ll go with it. I just saw the Frank and wondered. You both advocate and speak the same so I was just wondering.

So yer saying he's at least a pretty smart fella?

I just checked him out Fz, if you are half the man you think you are, that was one of the worst insults you've ever had. Otherwise, I can see exactly why he DL05 thought it might be you.

If he upsets you he cant be too bad.

The last thing this guy could do is upset me, his profile pic is why I said that:



Dead ringer! Huh?

Nope.. I'm better looking.

On here, ONLY YOU know that to be true.

I've met members here, though only a few and it has been years.

Take my word for it, I wouldn't steer you wrong.

Two, so far. Both cases ended with the defendants pleading guilty. There are over 50 more who have been charged, with court cases pending. Given the presence of ample video footage of the insurrectionists, I expect many more guilty pleas and/or plea deals, not to mention outright straight-up criminal concoctions for those who plead not guilty.

Gawd, these people were st00pit. "I got a great idea... let's storm the nation's Capitol, break/enter, destroy/steal property, s# on the floors and walls... AND LIVESTREAM IT IN REAL TIME.

My Father was a cop. Top cop, 2nd only to the CoP. One thing he always said: "We get arrests because criminals are dumb." Pops was seldom wrong, yo. You are going to see hundreds of convictions because these traitors were arrogant enough and brain-dead enough to chronical their crimes live on the Internet- which we know is forever. I expect many seditionist conspiracy convictions because nothing works so well as filmed evidence .

Filmed evidence always works. Ask Andy Ngo.

Haha, I ain’t trying to insult anyone. I just saw the “Frank” in common and realized that they aligned on some issues.

He knows I was busting his balls.

Andy Ngo edits his footage to fit a narrative.
Feds have raw video.

Try again, after you've rented some game.

Andy Ngo, another always the victim beta male incel. He probably jumps and cries into his pillow for hours when he sees a black sock on the floor. Antifa is everywhere!

Next they'll be talking about 200 Mules.

What about him.....


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/05/us/jan-6-ray-epps-evidence.html