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You do realize the NFL's appeal is also within the structure of the agreement, right? We may not like it, it may not look good. But it is what both sides agreed to follow.

To me it seems she structured it in a way to point out the process isn't good, maybe with hopes that it can bring more objectivity to the whole thing.

I agree. We have this mob mentality against people with wealth. It doesn't matter what they make or how much money they are worth, fines should be based on the infraction....period.

The NFL and NFLPA need to some up with some structure regarding fines. The same infraction for a guy making $2 mil a year is way less than a person making 10 mil a year.

Game suspensions shouldn't necessarily mean a player loses all of his game check for that game. A speeding ticket isn't factored on what a person makes. It is on a set scale. One person isn't going to get a $50 fine and another $300 for similar infractions..

It’s the hope that kills us..

Good points by both. My question about the amount of $$$$ was driven by one or two posters claiming that the $10M Kraft fine wasn't any sort of punishment at all. Despite there being much less to his scandal than there was the 26 allegations and 53 settlements that Watson is dealing with.

If it had its own thread that would ruin the objective of those trying to derail this one.

At least you are honest.

You must not understand the process agreed upon by the NFLPA. This appeal by the NFL is 100% a contractual part of that agreement. People need to stop acting like it isn't or that somehow the NFLPA didn't agree to it. And that's what any judge will look at when considering an appeal of and finding by Harvey. The players agreed to it. The NFL is in no way violating that agreement and the NFLPA will have to show just cause that they did.

Yes, if the JG topic had its own thread it would derail this thread about watson by those attempting to do so. Did something that simple confuse you?

It’ll be interesting to see how long the NFL strings this along. In doing so how much time will the team invest in giving first team reps to a guy that may or may not play at all this season. It’ll also put off acquiring JG (if that’s actually being considered by the FO) until later. Punishing the Browns further by not having him in camp to learn the playbook and get to know his teammates.

The NFL has no need to hurry is all I’m saying.
(If this were the Pats or the Boys it’d be done already. That I feel pretty assured of.)

…But because Browns… in all ways… this has been the Brownsiest of all Browns off-seasons.

Yay team!!!

The Browns are being persecuted like the Jews I tell ya!

Come on man.

j/c:

Please just be a huge fine. No more games. I know that won't happen, but I still root for the Browns and that is what is best for the team and its fans.

Just ignore the trolls. You made yourself clear.

That does not seem clear. But to your point maybe he should ignore you.

Maybe, but again, to my point, what Kraft is worth shouldn't have any bearing on what the NFL levies against the guy. I will say that with owners it may be a little different in that game suspensions don't mean squat. He is still the owner, their being suspended doesn't impact the team or fans in any way, and as for money, the owner can decide to take a $10 mil bonus next year to make up for a $10 mil fine this year if they want. Well, probably not, but I think you get my point.

The difference in the offenses should make a difference. This isn't an apples to apples comparison. Never in the history of the NFL has anyone, be it an owner or a player had 53 lawsuits settled based on their sexual behavior towards females. This is totally unprecedented. Which I expect the fine and suspension will also be.

Why do you fall for his crap? Not one person said that Kraft said that "the $10M Kraft fine wasn't any sort of punishment at all." Hell, Kraft wasn't even fined. He's telling yet another lie so people will admonish another poster and I think everyone knows who that poster is.

It would be nice if we could talk football in this forum instead of this teenage girl BS.

FWIW:

At some point the team has to start giving Brissett all the reps with the first team, right?

My bad - I was on a delayed flight and on my phone. It was Snyder that was fined $10M, not Kraft. And it was absolutely Vers that tried to make out that the $10M fine was nothing to Snyder.

As for the insults and sexuality put downs from the same poster .... pretty sure the guy with 53,000 posts has posted more on this topic than anyone.

I would suppose so. However, I think it would be once a decision is either settled on or the NFL rules on its own. If the latter, I'm assuming the NFLPA sues and he potentially plays Week 1, therefore Watson getting the work now makes sense. If the former, I think that is when the decision would be made to work in Brissett with the first team.

You would think so, unless they know something we don't know.

Just wishful thinking. LOL

Still hung up on numbers i see.

At this point it doesn't matter. I'll just wait for the final lowdown. The longer I go I am starting to feel the NFL is starting to jerk my team around with all the delay.

A Ref on this very board explained that to you and you said thank you. But I think most people knew that wouldn't be good enough for you since you didn't get your way.

I honestly feel like the Browns know Brissett is bad - they don't want to showcase how bad he is, and we will be obtaining Jimmy G. Some sill see that all playing out as business as usual and the FO doing what they need to do ... I'll see it as further proof the whole DW trade was badly managed and a bad trade - that's assuming we don't make the playoffs and DW misses 10+ games - a threshold I have stated from the beginning as the make/break suspension for the trade.

** Vers posted a training camp video of Watson and Brissett the other day. We had highlights of Watson throwing a bunch of passes. Brissett's "Highlights" were him doing footwork exercises. I've not paid a ton of attention but I am still yet to see footage of Jacoby throwing in camp and I've read more than 2 reports of how poor his passing has been.

She knew knew exactly what she was ruling on. The problem it seems some people are having is that they don't seem to understand that the NFL has no set games as to what they can rule on a suspension. Never before has the NFL handled such a case where there were 53 settlements paid out by such egregious, predatory conduct. Sue Robinson's words, not mine. Even though it was obvious for anyone being objective beforehand. I know it doesn't seem to sink in for some people that Robinson was merely the first part of an agreed upon process. All of your verbage changes nothing. What you call "the process is now" was always the process agreed upon. It's the same now as it was from the very beginning.

I am inclined to agree with you and she stated as much. While I believe the NFL is correct that the sentence is too light for what was done I think the better way to do it was address change after the fact.

Let's be honest, the idea that what Watson did would set a precedent of 6 games sounds really bad any way you look at it. The NFL really does need to take a big picture view of discipline proactively.

Yes because numbers matter.

Since you can't find any precedent even close to this all you can do is try and discount the numbers. Then there's the fact she found watson to be predatory, his actions egregious and he is a liar. And those aren't numbers.

Looks like a settlement might be forthcoming. Even Florio has flip-flopped for the umpteenth time. LOL

Your post sounded like it is complaining that she was following the process and the NFL is not. So perhaps not as clear as you might think but thanks for clarifying.

BTW if you think the NFL is being unfair, a large variety of people would lose their jobs for much less that the issue Watson caused, can we agree on that?

Here's a number for you... 4

That's how many cases were used in the NFL case.

4

Only 4.

There's your number.