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How (blank) can the Panthers offense be with their new @uarterback. ( He always would distribute the ball to a lot of different players)

Will the Browns and their @uarterback, distribute the ball to more total players, (i.e. catches by 7+ different guys)
than the Panthers @b will.

I'm asking if that distribution to a lot of players from Browns years past was a product of BM, or Kevin Stefanski...
well and Freddie Kitchens' and Hue Jackson, and umm the interim coach after Hue.

Well, you have to get first downs to have more opportunities to distribute the ball to more players anyways.

Maybe Baker had just woken up from a nightmare in which he was co-starring in a years gone by "Saturday Night Live" sketch which included Kevin Nealon, and Dana Carvey, dressed in fake muscle sweatshirts, calling themselves Hans and Frans
and Baker simply meant to say, " I'm going to PUMP, (clap), them up."
"believe me now and hear me later, the audience is nothing but a bunch of girly men intimidated by our massive muscles, while you've been eating French fries we've been watching our diets and preparing our muscles to throw the football. When he takes the field on gameday he's going to, Pump, (clap) them up. (some parts were redacted)

I don't see it that way at all. I mean if the Panthers win what did Baker actually accomplish? Beating the Browns back-up QB? That's not some huge accomplishment. But what I think it will indicate is that without an actual NFL starter at QB and a good core of WR's, that superior roster everyone is crowing about isn't going to win the Browns many games.

The Browns have a superior roster in terms of talent on the roster. A better defense and running game for sure. The Panthers have upgraded their OL but in no way does it match the Browns. So from the standpoint of the better team going into the game the Browns should win. But even NFL players are mortals. There's a cloud and stank surrounding the situation Haslam has brought to this team.

There's also the fact that there has been a lot of back and forth on this board as well across the NFL among fans about trying to win by having a strong team without a top tier QB. I think you and many others on here have made that very argument in your support and approval of getting watson no matter what he's done. You know, win at all costs.

So now is the time that question gets answered. Not strictly in the Panthers game but in this early soft stretch of the schedule. Some in the crowd that claimed you can't win without a franchise QB now claim you can. The same crowd that claimed without that potent offense the Browns had no chance now claim an otherwise good roster can.

So we're going to find out which of their two opposing stories is correct. The Panthers beating the Browns who have a good running game and no real QB wouldn't be some magical feat. Seeing the Browns lose to a mediocre NFL team would however not bode well for their season.

So what do you think of the 230 million dollar man who signed a four year contract then demanded a trade less than four months later? Who sat on the bench refusing to play for an entire season in the first season after signing that contract? I dislike when a person points the finger at someone claiming they're immature while supporting someone else whose actions have proven he is even more immature.

Sorry Vers. I noticed the time stamp on your posts. Once again it was during your cocktail hours. That helps explain things.

Ah, the free market system. A foundation of America.

Baker will never change. His attitude and mindset won’t be changed.

If he has a clean pocket and health then he’ll be a solid starter. If he doesn’t his career will be done.

So you're telling me that when a QB is under pressure or injured they don't play as well? Say it isn't so!

Well, they won’t play as well but they also won’t be terrible (Allen, Mahomes, Herbert, Wilson, Rodgers) .. watch them under pressure or when teams gamble and blitz.

Baker folds like a wet towel. The good ones dont.

He'll have QB'd a team to a win over a very strong D. Carolina is not in 'contender' status. Browns fans know all about the 'silver linings' game that's played when the team isn't expected to do much.

I don't really disagree with you on one hand. But if you look at the prediction thread not all Browns fans share the view that the team "isn't expected to do too much." That varies from person to person. As far as beating a team with a very strong D is concerned is the part I do agree with you about. But there is a caveat to that. Let's say as an example you only need to put up 20 points to beat that D because their offense only puts 17 points on the board? Was it great play by a QB that accomplished that win or was it the fact your opponent simply had trouble putting points on the board?

Don't get me wrong, yes he would still be the QB that notched the win but how responsible is that QB for winning that game? I know what the stats will say in that department but as far as the reality of things it is possible the Panthers can beat the Browns without Mayfield having some great game. I don't think anyone actually believes that Mayfield is going to suddenly become some NFL top 10 or even 15 QB. I certainly don't and would be shocked should that happen. It may be that Mayfield will only play "good enough to win" and that may not take a whole lot.

That all remains to be seen at this juncture.

Yeah, I'm not really tracking with some of the other fans regarding my outlook this season. I think we should finish with a better record than last year (so anywhere above .500) for reasons that I've stated in 1 or two other threads (overall team health and a D with a foundation, mostly).

As for your caveat... a win is a win. Period. Ex. people wanted to throw more assets at Garrapolo because "he wins". As for Mayfield "suddenly become some NFL top 10 or even 15 QB"... wasn't he just that up to his injury last year? I wouldn't be all that shocked if he did something that he was doing or was almost doing before. If I had to guess, I don't see that happening either... but 'shocked' isn't the right word for me, I guess.

I don't see the Panthers being even close to as good as the Browns team of 2020. I think Mayfield would have to perform better than he did in 2020 to make the playoffs with that Panthers team. He also doesn't have the OL the Browns did in 2020 nor the talent in the running game. So he does have the capability to be a top 15 NFL QB if he has the proper supporting cast. I don't see that here.

And as far as "a win is a win. Period." We both know we've seen very average QB play win games that did not rest on the shoulders of a QB. You don't have to admit it, but you know it.

For the record, I was not talking about just the Browns/Carolina game when it comes to Baker. I was pretty clear that I was talking about the entire season being huge for his career and I used the analysis of Marcus Spears to add credence to my point. Things get twisted pretty quickly around here and it's always the same guys who are guilty of it.

I know you have chosen not to see it, but who in their right mind didn't know this is a huge year for Mayfield? He's on a one year deal and whether he plays as a starting QB or a backup moving forward in his NFL career hinges on this season. I'm not sure what more there is that needs to be said about that?

Would you like to debate why Jimmy G, a QB you taughted as a good NFL starter was relegated to nobody wanting him as a starter and he has been relegated to a backup QB? I didn't think so.

Just another guy to beat in my book. I like our chances.

Why would I be reluctant to admit average QB play can still win games? I don't think Carolina has to necessarily make the playoffs to say Mayfield had a successful season. Winning obviously makes that argument easier, though.

I guess I just don't really see Carolina winning without Baker at least playing to the level of a starter-caliber NFL QB. If we're talking about Carolina winning vs Browns, within the context of what Carolina has on its roster and the paper-strength of the Browns roster Baker would have to be a big part of that win.

That or the Browns offense having trouble putting many points on the board. We'll see. Maybe we have a different definition of what the term " Baker would have to be a big part of that win." means.

I think we agree more than we disagree on this.

I do too.

If Carolina's defense can contain the run and roll coverage to Amari, it will be a LONG DAY for us. Their Pass D ranked better than ours last year, so it's a fair bet that they can cover Njoku and whatever else we have out there with Cooper.
It's very arguable that they have a better WR corps than us (who doesn't?), and their backfield is every bit as good as ours with Christian McCaffrey back there. They know how to run it well, and out DT's are *definitely* suspect with undersized LBers behind them.... they could potentially power run it down our throats all day to stay in good down & distance ranges and set up the play action that Baker excels in.

I think it might well come down to which DLine is able to pressure the QB more. Our OLine *should* be better than theirs, but with the way they're able to run it, I don't know by how much.

Shouldn't it come down to which @uarterback plays better.
What does a Browns win in this opener look like??
If you figure a win, what will be the characteristics of the Browns win in this game.
Better @uarterback play certainly is on the table in answering that @uestion.

If Brissett plays better than Baker the Browns win. Simple.

I haven't watch them play - but the talk on the radio is that the CLT defense is stronger against the pass and might well be weak against the run. The OL has been "upgraded" from last year - but they are lots of new and unproven parts so take that with a grain of salt.

Yeh, that's it. Once again, you nailed it.

If I am Carolina, I toss 8 in the Box and dare Jacoby to beat us…

Rinse and repeat until week 12. It is not that hard to figure out.

Could have been so much more hateful. It's just a hype shirt. He wants to build his legend.

And if you see film of our WRs outside of Cooper, it makes it even more obvious lol

If the O in the Bears game was any indication, the D will need to hold teams to historic lows. Cade York might get 5-6 field goal chances a game. Even if he makes them all we are talking 18 points.

I know going for it on 4th down is vogue around the league, but with points being very important this year, we might want to shorten the distance needed by a yard or two before we go for it. In other words, if we would have gone for it on 4th and 3 last year maybe the comfort zone this year becomes 4th and 1.5 yards.

Going for it on 4th down only really helps if you end up in the endzone. It isn't worth the initial risk if you end up kicking another FG, the payout is the same for exposing yourself to additional risk.

peen, you know that it's not wise to put any stock into a preseason game especially when they were playing all their starters and we sat some guys like Cooper, Chubb, Bitonio, etc.

It says that he licensed it, not created it.
It literally is likely that it is not even him making them.

So what does that mean exactly?

Interesting that this type stuff just seems to be attached to him whether he "licensed it" or "created it".

He tweeted out the shirt with the design. It's not like this was done without his knowledge or endorsement.

And can anyone show what this does to cast shade on the Browns? How it trying to embarrass anyone? The only thing it says is that he's been unleashed and the game against the Browns is one day only. It seems to me people are searching for a reason to be outraged or cast shade about something that really isn't there.

You are probably right when it comes to Adam the Bull. He is always hating on Baker.

And that was in response to BallPeen saying " If the O in the Bears game was any indication."

That got me thinking. In the 202I Browns Bears regular season matchup, if my memory is right, the Browns gave up 4 sacks (or 5) to the Bears defense.
and 'That' got me thinking of asking.

Was the Browns O giving up 4+ sacks in 202I, against the Bears was it
The Browns OL players fault.
The Browns coaching (choices of who to play and or schemings') staffs fault.
The Browns @uarterbacks' fault
The Skill position players of the Browns' fault
Everybodys' fault
Nobodys' fault,
A couple of choices combined 's fault.
or The Bears' fault.
or the Ref's and or the Leagues' biases fault.
???

::shrug::

I didn't mean to imply he was trying to throw any shade.

Personally, I don't care. He's a non-Browns QB at this point. Overall, I liked him here so I'll root for him so long as it's not against the Browns. I will say that the tshirt doesn't really do much for the "he's finally matured and is acting like a pro" argument.

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