DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2022 NFL Season Looking Back: Browns 26 Panthers 24 Post Game

Run game is beyond elite. Calling our run game elite is offensive, even. It’s beyond that level.

We cannot see sustained success with Brisset at QB. He can’t see the field. FYI Trubisky sucks too.

Baker played exactly the same way he did with us. I don’t think their playcalling or scheme did him many favors. He is who he is. He can’t play in any system. He needs one suited to his strengths.

The blown coverages is getting frustrating. Delpit blowing coverage and then giving up on that play over the top torqued me off. I’d have him running gassers after that one.

Cade York is a missing piece of the puzzle.

The Bengals got dinged with a huge L today. The Steelers got dinged with key injuries.

Watching our DL knock down 5 passes at the LOS brought back some bad memories from that happening when Baker was throwing for us. I loved to see us recognize that potential issue and get it done.

Did JOK play much? I didn’t hear his name a lot. Same with Bell, our WR.

DPJ had a nice game, Brissett hit some throws in tight coverages but missed a couple easy throw early, and he was wide on a few simple out routes, too. Those should be easy pitch-and-catch.

No turnovers, though, and with help of a bogus roughing the passer call, he guided us to a last-second win.

Hunt and Chubb did their usual thing and Myles did his usual thing. I almost felt bad for their rookie LT, but can we stop with the blown coverage that results in an easy 75-yard TD?

Bake was under a lot of pressure early, and while I was glad to see us get the W, I’m happy for him - in hindsight, since we won - that he made some plays in the second half and didn’t embarrass himself. It’s too bad some folks here can’t give him even a bit of praise.

KS as usual, doesn’t settle for an early FG and his failed attempt on 4th down ticked me off.

Cade York.
I knew he was gonna nail it before he lined up. When his kick started to hook, it was over.

1-0, folks, and a share of the division lead.

In terms of JOK .. i noticed him a few times basically shadowing CMC out of the backfield. That may be why he went unnoticed, but that’s a huge ask (and he did it as well as possible).

Not many LBs can do it

I hope the offensive passing game will improve when they get more reps. But I want to give a shout out to #66 - James Hudson!! He came in and held down the RT position. He definately improved over last year. The oline did a good job for most of the game. And when they needed it, they held up!!... Good team win!!

Stillers suffer several key injuries in OT win over bengals. ...
more on that later.

" Did JOK play, you didn't hear his name much" ?

I believe JOK played. And another thing, you didn't hear about the Panthers McCaffrey gutting it up the middle much, and you didn't hear much about the Panthers TE Tremble doing much beyone one play, ...2 things JOK may have been defending. May have.

I…very much agree with you.

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j/c:

Great win! I have to admit I wanted to win this game more than almost any regular season game in awhile.

I'll get the QBs out of the way first.

JB didn't turn the ball over. He avoided multiple sacks. He made some timely throws. On the other hand, he missed way, way too many throws that could have blown the game wide open. If I was coaching him, I would coach the leaving your feet and getting off balance out of him. He's not very good, but he did not lose the game for us.

Baker did a lot of his typical stuff. Sailed a throw that was picked [probably the injured shoulder,] had 4-5 passes knocked down, mishandled 4 or 5 snaps [that's not typical, but it was a factor,] took multiple sacks, missed open throws. Fumbled the ball on a sack. On the other hand, he did not choke in the clutch like he normally does. We had a couple of busted coverages, but he made the plays. Gotta give him credit for that.

On to the rest:

Cade York is a difference maker. I won't expound because many of you already have and I don't have much to add. Dude was huge. I also want to mention that Carolina's kicker booted one out of bounds and it led to us scrong a FG right before the half. That was big!

Felton looked terrible back there. He makes me nervous. We gotta find someone else.

Our playcalling was better than Carolina's. Thank God they were trying to rely on Baker winning the game instead of McCaffrey in the first half.

Our team did not look out of shape despite what many posters predicted. In fact, Carolina was more gassed than we were. Of course, we are more physical, so that has to be factored in. I don't think people up north understand how tough the humidity -- and more importantly -- the dew point is down in this part of the country. It drains you.

Our secondary played pretty good, but the communication breakdowns are concerning. We had two mental lapses early.

With that said, I think Woods did a great job of calling his side of the game.

JOK did a nice job of shadowing McCaffrey in the first half. Didn't see it as much in the second half.

I don't know if Carolina ever even tried to test Ward?

The roughing the passer on Bryan or whatever his name is was bogus.

I was listening to a former official just a bit ago and the roughing the passer call was correct.

More than anything else, I am so happy we won this game due to all the negativity the team has received. it's one thing to receive it from the national media, it's another to receive it from fans who chose one player over the team. We won. You lost!

Just for some context - Browns Defense is going to be elite. Completing passes against blown coverages is what he's supposed to do. He's been in this offense a ridiculously short time. He and the center botched a minimum of 3 snaps, again a familiarity thing. As you mentioned, McAdoo did not use McCaffery properly till the 2nd half - and the Panthers still came within a bogus roughing the passer call of winning. I think your judgement might be a bit harsh and bit premature. I think the Panthers will score a lot of points against some of the bad teams they play.

Of course - someone somewhere wants to say that's all excuses for him. After all - having got the lead he did let the Browns score again with 1.30 left, something he would be heavily criticized for here.

You're correct Dawg. Baker did play exactly the way he did for us except today he wasn't hurt. No more excuses now. He was very mediocre.

Good point about Felton. Don’t want him back there anymore

And Baker and Brissett were playing against the same defense today too... (yeah, umhmm)
wait, Were they?

No. Carolina was ranked higher defensively last year than the Browns were.

If the playoffs were today. ( and they aren't and they won't ... but) If the Playoffs were today.
The AFC North would be, ... ... and because,

I. The stillers because they have a division win over Cincinnati
2. The Ravens because their win was an AFC win over the Jets but not in the AFC North division.
3. The Browns because their win was over an NFC team and they play in the AFC conference.
4th the Bengals because they have a loss, and because it's a division loss. ( A division of the AFC conference loss,)

Cade York mentioned in his postgame interview that the coaches told him they did not want his first kick to be a long one.

Likely did not want him to miss his first kick and then get in his own head.

What judgment did I pass?

You criticized Baker without providing seven layers of context and what ifs.

No lessons were learned after the 'Pittsburgh Started It' t-shirt incident!

Agree with you and others about Felton on PR. The muffed punt aside (thanks Herb Miller) on the other hand DF had a couple decent returns today. Overall though, I wish we had someone more reliable. He makes me worry.

LMAO

Why didn't Felton call a single fair catch?

He should be told to fair catch it no matter how far away the defense is. Direct order.

Not sure it mattered if he signaled FC or not. Dude was misjudging the ball. Catching punts is way harder than most people think.

He's so bad back there. It's nerve wracking.

Do we have anyone on the roster who has experience catching punts? We can't afford needless turnovers w/our qb situation being what it is.

Would be nice if we had brought Jarvis back. He could have helped.

Still don't understand that one. He had 7 catches for 114 today.

I hope JB is still knocking rust off and getting into a rhythm in this O. We're not going to win much with him playing like that. Game was harder than it should've been when we had the ball.

D was playing like they were going to poo the bed. Ronnie Harrison gets grief for being undisciplined (maybe that's just me), but JJ3 is right there with him. Bad blown coverage and the horse collar flag to giftwrap them the potential GW FG. Similar to JB, if the D is going to do that we're going to have a hard time winning games (we're counting on the D).

DPJ had a great game.

Njoku was invisible.

DTs played ok(?). Shocked CMC wasn't a factor.

Thought Baker played like a QB that wasn't familiar enough with his O and WRs, but I also saw a bunch of his trademark high-and-wide throws. He definitely didn't make Ski or Cleveland miss having him on our side with that game.
Speaking of which, what was up with him and all those fumbled snaps?

I'm rooting hard for Hunt. Dude needs a big year to get paid and few deserve both more than him.

Oline and Chubb did their usual thing. Tip my hat to Hudson... young guy locked it down. Somebody learned from getting thrown to the wolves last year.

Ski seriously needs to stop it on 4th downs.

The Browns Defense completely owned Baker for the majority of the game. If it weren't for the 2 blown coverages and the lucky bounce to McCaferty on Baker' 3rd muffed snap on 3rd and long, Bakers QBR would have been in the single digits. To think otherwise is silly. I was a huge Baker fan when he was here and it was tough rooting against him but I love the Browns more than Baker. That being said, I think he will do just fine in Carolina.

I support the FO and coaching staff, but I completely agree w/this take. Dumb.

I will say that DPJ played well today. But Jarvis is Jarvis.

I think that will be an issue we will face all year...obviously Jakeem was set to be that guy, but injuries derailed that idea. And your right...its far harder to field a punt than a kick (and far greater chance of turning it over, as the opposition is literally on top of you) Heck it's been since maybe Travis Benjamin since we've had a very good returner out there. I think DPJ and D'rnest are too important to put back there on returns, Not sure if we still have that guy from the Saints on our PS (I honestly can't recall his name) Felton really needs to clean it up...as he put the ball on the ground last year, and showing the same thus far. I'm in hopes he finds some success back there, as I'm sure were all sick of always being backed up in field position.

Would it be fair to say the same for JB? I mean, he is new to the team and Watson took almost all the first team reps in OTAs, mini camps, and even during a good portion of TC.

Look, I am not making excuses for him...........but how does Baker get a pass when JB doesn't?

Expounding on that..........I have not seen one comment on the drops by Schwartz and Bryant. I have a feeling that would have been hammered home had Baker been the one throwing the passes. JMO

we surely miss Jakeem Grant as the returner.

I’m also a little worried about our WRs/QB connections .. just not much hope to make plays there IMO

Yeah tru............this is a huge concern in my mind. JB probably isn't going to turn it over and take as many needless sacks as Baker, but the dude is limited. He missed a ton of throws today he should have completed that would have flipped the game. We can't afford silly mistakes.

If it were me............I would put DPJ back there if he can catch it. I have a feeling D'Ernest is on his way out. If not, and he is good at catching punts, put his ass back there. Felton misjudged the ball more than once. That's a no-no.

Absolutely. That is my hope (that JB gets better as he plays/practices more)

Actually, that would get me really annoyed with KS and his "starters not playing preseason" shtick.


You reminded me about something.... Schwartz caught a pass!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe I misread the intention of the "he is who he is" comment. All good.

You know.........when I was watching the game, I was thinking to add the Schwartz completion to my post game thoughts. That was a freaking huge play for us. Great play call. JB avoided pressure, rolled right. put some pressure on the D, and then threw to a wide open Schwartz. That was a big play.

I thought that was a big play. As was the screen pass to hunt on 3rd and long in the first half IIRC

Agreed. We also picked up a few key 3rd down plays on throws to DPJ.

And let's face it............that last pass to Cooper was huge. We usually don't complete those passes late in games.

My brain is foggy... was the Schwartz catch on the final drive?

I missed what happened, but what was the sideline interference on Carolina about?