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Yes to number one. I believe Stefanski said we might see even more of that

Yes to two as well. I didn’t realize that he did it 11 times

We are still wildly in credit with NFL officiating and we are due a lot more of these !

He was open. LOL

York had more than the 10 extra penalty yards on that kick, lol. There were more than 10 seconds on the clock, so even with the runoff we would have been able to run the play.

A common theme when Stefanski is calling plays.

I noticed a handful of clips with Cooper breaking open too. That’s gotta be aggravating for the coaches lol

j/c...

I noticed #1. Last year, I was asking why we didn't feature both in the backfield more often. With both RB's a threat to take any run to the house, and 24 showing that he could handle a pass (albeit on a lesser level than 27), I couldn't understand why we saw so little of a 2-back look.

I did not notice #2 at all. I'm thinking that 6 OL can help on run plays v. a stacked box. Is that how the 6th man was used? Like I said, this was totally off my radar.

I think a lot of it has to do with our love of TEs on the field and our preference to rest one of them at all times. I have a feeling our analytics dept really stresses having their legs fresh as possible for the end of games and as the season progresses

Not until a 2nd look. I liked it.

I have forever been saying that if you want extra blocking, a Olineman is better than a TE and somewhere on the team at least one of those Olineman can catch well enough to go out for a short pass. O-linemen aren't total clods who can't catch a ball tossed their way.

j/c

just want to add one thing at the moment.

- Stefanski called a great game. The first two drives should've been TDs or at least points with the pass to Cooper on the first drive and Hunt running down the sideline on the second drive. I loved the misdirections with Schwartz to give the D a different look and also to attack the boundaries.

Keeping the offense on the field for 4th down with 25 seconds left in the second quarter, CAR called one of their two timeouts, then we kicked the field goal. This won't show up on the stat sheet, in reality it didn't affect the score of the game. But a couple thoughts, I looked at this as Stef saying I am in control this game how are you going to react to what I am showing? If Rhule bluffs, they lose a time out. If he calls my bluff, fine I'll call the time out and bring out the field goal team. Like I said, it ended up not meaning much and Carolina knelt it on the next possession. But it did make Rhule have to make a quick decision. I thought it was it was a smart and showed Stef was thinking a couple steps ahead. I'm pulling out a "what if". What if Car did run a play and went for a big gain, well they burned one of their timeouts on reacting to Stef's chess move.

Stefanski likes go for it on 4th quite often. Some disagree (scenario depending) and that's fine, doesn't mean you are right or wrong. That's his Mo, I'm good with it.

Not sure re where to put this question. I only heard Jimmie d.’s call of Cade’s game winner and it sounded like Nathan segura was in the booth. Is he our #2 guy this year? No former player? Did they announce this in Cleveland??

Has Zegura done a nice job so far? I haven’t listened to it yet

I did not notice #2 at all. I'm thinking that 6 OL can help on run plays v. a stacked box. Is that how the 6th man was used? Like I said, this was totally off my radar.

Yeah, we lined him on both sides, but I primarily saw him on the right side and then we ran that way w/a few play action passes mixed in.

Stefanski has an unfair rep on this board. Dude has an excellent scheme, is a good play caller, and manages the clock brilliantly.

Very good points. Stefanski manages the clock well across the game and not just the end of games. Also, analytics tell us going for it on 4th down is often the correct move. Those who dismiss analytics are stuck in the stone age.

I think Stefanski won't be totally respected on this board until his offense is seen with a really good QB. Hopefully, later this season.

I have no problem going for it on 4th downs when - as a team - you are successful at a minimum percentage rate as that of the analytics that drive the narrative that it's the right call. If your team consistently does not make the 4th down conversion at the required success rate - then the narrative that it's the right call falls apart. We're 0-1 this year - let's keep track of the numbers.

Last year Stefanski led the NFL at one point in going for it in situations where statistics suggest it was the right call - but the results were below average, meaning the execution/result didn't align with the theory. I think that's why you see a few posters wanting KS to dial back on the 4th down attempts. Again - great if you convert at league average. Not if you don't.

There are posters on this board who will never give him credit, but you bring up a good point. Stefanski has worked w/inferior qbs here in Cleveland. Baker, Keenum, Mullen, and Brissett. I think he got the most out of Baker in his first year here after the latter was terrible the year before. I am excited to see what Stefanski can do w/a very good qb and we should have that w/Watson next year.

I'll give Ski credit when his teams look and perform like a perennial playoff team with the talent they have on the roster...when they can line up and get the play off without getting penalized and/or burning a timeout...when they STOP committing procedure penalties when kicking off...when they STOP with the drive-killing procedure penalties on offense...and when the D doesn't figure out a way to regularly let their opponent back into a game. Until then, I'll be critical.

Dig up Otto...bring back Bernie...draft Jesus Christ himself at QB...I don't care. Just stop looking like a group of fools not ready for the game.

Just as we suspected, Brissett is just barely a downgrade from Baker

You know I am a believer in analytics. I also believe the O isn't going to be explosive so points are going to be a premium. I expect a lot of games like Sundays game that are going to be close.

I am not going to say we shouldn't go for it some of the time, but I hope we opt to put up 3 just a little bit more as compared to last year.

I certainly hope you are correct.

I'm certain there is no correlation between MGs banner day and Baker's bad day on Sunday. And if Baker is truly 'that bad', the glaring revelation should be that the browns come within a miracle FG of losing to the 28th ranked QB on a crap team, not that JB is barely worse. I'm sure the rah-rah baker haters club will disagree, but living in reality, it will take a miracle to even sniff the playoffs with JB under center for the next 10 games. He didn't have the Browns DL in his face all day.

I see. Well, if you are going to keep track…we completed a 4th down with a QB sneak up the middle (we were 1 for 2). Analytics so far is showing you are 0 for 1 in keeping 4th down stats. (I’m messing with you)


As I said, I’m not saying anyone is right/wrong with their thought/feelings on it.

I won’t speak for last year, because that opens up a whole new conversation.

I guess what I am saying - best said by Churchill (and I am going from memory):

No matter how beautiful the plan (or analytics) sometimes you have to look at the results.

Why am I not surprised to see someone try and make an overall judgement based on one game? Well, because that's just who some people are. Let me know how that's working for you after 11 games.

Browns’ defensive snap counts, stats, and notes: Week 1

Myles Garrett dominated in Week 1.

By Chris Pokorny@DawgsByNature Sep 13, 2022, 1:11pm EDT 0 Comments / 0 New


Defensive Line

Pos Player Plays % Stats
DL Myles Garrett 45 85% 4 tackles (4 combined). 2 sacks, 3 TFL, 2 QH, 1 pass defended, 1 FF.
DL Jadeveon Clowney 44 83% 3 assists (3 combined). 0.5 sack, 1 QH, 2 passes defended.
DL Taven Bryan 44 83% 1 tackle (1 combined).
DL Jordan Elliott 41 77% 1 assist (1 combined).
DL Alex Wright 17 32% 2 tackles (2 combined). 1 pass defended.
DL Tommy Togiai 8 15% 1 assist (1 combined). 1 QH.
DL Isaac Rochell 6 11% No stats registered.
DL Perrion Winfrey 5 9% 1 pass defended.

How great is it to have Myles Garrett? He was PFF’s top-graded player in the entire NFL for Week 1 (94.4), going up against a rookie left tackle. He had back-to-back sacks during one stretch of the game, forcing a fumble on one of those sacks that he nearly recovered. Garrett also had one pass defended.
Jadeveon Clowney was busy batting passes down all of training camp, and that skill came in handy right away against Baker Mayfield. He knocked one pass down on the first drive, and one later on, in addition to assisting on a sack. Clowney was the Browns’ third-ranked defender with a grade of 76.3, per PFF.
From a reps standpoint, Taven Bryan and Jordan Elliott dominated the number of snaps at defensive tackle. I don’t get why the Panthers didn’t try to run it right at them more, but whatever. Bryan was flagged for roughing the passer on a call I didn’t particularly agree with.

Linebacker

Pos Player Plays % Stats
LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah 45 85% 3 tackles, 2 assists (5 combined). 1 TFL.
LB Anthony Walker 36 68% 2 tackles, 1 assist (3 combined). 1 TFL.
LB Jacob Phillips 20 38% 1 tackle, 2 assists (3 combined).
LB Sione Takitaki 10 19% 1 tackle (1 combined).

Even though I didn’t see Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah make a play that I can particularly remember, PFF graded him as the team’s second-best defender (78.3), which was the 7th-highest grade at his position in Week 1.
Anthony Walker was the only other linebacker who played significant reps, much like last season where the Browns opt for the nickel more.

Cornerback

Pos Player Plays % Stats
CB Greg Newsome 48 91% 1 tackle, 1 assist (2 combined).
CB Denzel Ward 45 85% 1 assist (1 combined). 1 pass defended.
CB Martin Emerson 42 79% 4 tackles, 1 assist (5 combined).

I don’t think we can complain about the Browns’ cornerbacks this week. Both defensive breakdowns appeared to be communication issues from the safety position. Denzel Ward didn’t seem to be targeted, and Martin Emerson played well in his first NFL game.

Safety

Pos Player Plays % Stats
S Grant Delpit 53 100% 2 tackles, 1 assist (3 combined). 1 INT, 1 pass defended.
S John Johnson 52 98% 4 tackles, 3 assists (7 combined). 0.5 sack, 1 QH.
S Ronnie Harrison 22 42% 1 tackle, 1 assist (2 combined). 0.5 sack, 1 QH.

Grant Delpit made a diving interception in the first half. However, it seemed like he was responsible for the first blown coverage of tight end Ian Thomas that went for a 50-yard play in the second quarter.

It wasn’t the best second half for John Johnson, who abandon his role for safety help, leading to a 75-yard touchdown pass, and was also flagged for a horse collar tackle that helped set up what could have been the Panthers’ game-winning field goal.

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2022/9/13/23351228/browns-defensive-snap-counts-stats-and-notes-week-1

Wyatt was such a steal.

Made up for whiffing on Corbett.

Lol. The fabulous Baker boys would have been all over it if BM played well and won.

I’m not really judging Baker on one game, rather on 4 years and 1 game.

I am judging Brissett on one game, though. So maybe he’ll improve.

This isn't all that important, but I have a stats question that I haven't noticed anyone else ask.

I was looking over ESPN's box score from Sunday's game and it showed McCaffery's longest run as 9 yards. I know he picked up the Baker fumble and rambled about 28 yards. I assume from the box score this is not considered rushing yards, but I can't find it as return yards or anywhere else.

Any stat guys know how this is classified? Does it count towards the Panthers yardage total?

That is a great question. I am not sure about this, but I think in this case, the yardage is counted as "loose-ball yardage" and is not included in individual stats, but instead in team stats.

So that play 28 yds.+ the 75 yd. TD pass along with another Pass of say 40 yds. = 143 yds. of their 261 Total Yds. for the day ... Not Bad Defense Browns

You could tell that game meant a lot to the team. It had to be a great feeling after all the controversy that has enveloped the team during the off-season. I think I am rooting for them harder than ever. I've never been much of a front-runner.