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Hey, Toad! Long time, Dawg. Nice to have you back. Quote:
Here's the question I always pose to individuals when making up their own mind on RAC: If you owned an organization and needed a new head coach, would RAC be your choice?
For me, yeah. I've been consistent all along in my support for RAC's hire, based on a "big picture" point-of-view. I was really pleased when I heard that Randy had picked Romeo, because I felt he was the right tonic for some of our worst ills.
I'll confess- when Randy had to pull the trigger on someone for HC, my main desire was that he'd pick someone who was the antithesis of Butch Davis. I was tired of style over substance, excessive ego, deafness to good advice, excuses for bad choices/performances, low team morale, discipline issues, and lack of consistency. I was sick of seeing us being a laughingstock.
Like I said earlier in this thread: RAC = "The Anti-Butch"
Given where we were (and what we needed), I'd make the same choice as Randy did. I'd still feel good about the choice today... and as a fan, I still do.
Look Dawg- I know you've read enough of my posts to know that I'm not totally blind... of course, I see plenty of stuff that RAC still needs to tighten up in his game. My point is this- what his presence has brought to this team was extremely important, considering the fragility and futility that identified our team. Even through the roller-coaster that has been this season, I've seen many things in our team that haven't been present before:
increased professionalism
accountability
team-first attitude
personal ownership/pride in performance
positive morale
winning record
These attributes could NEVER have been used to describe our team in the years before Romeo Crennel came to town. Dude essentially turned the culture of an entire team around 180 degrees... in 2 years, after 5 years of foolishness and dysfunction.
RAC hasn't learned all he needs to to know be a good field-general, that's for sure... but I also don't think he's tapped out his potential in that regard, either. As long as progress is shown year-to-year, I'm willing to see where he can lead us.
Savage is picking new personnel. RAC is putting them on the field. The combo is good, because BOTH have done more to help us than they have to hurt us. I like the pair to this day... individually, AND as a team.
If I get too bogged down in minutea, I give myself a stress-induced migraine. If I look at the big picture, I feel pretty good.
Yes. I'd pick him, and I'd keep him.
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You missed it by a mile it's not truly about being right its about the way the haters have piled on RAC making up lies to support their opinions. You would think that a fan would figure out 2 things #1 Talent leads the way in the NFL, period. Teams that lose generally lack talent. #2 Teams that consistantly lose do not kick a coach to the curb because that coach doesn't have the talent to win with. Thats the point, the fact that the haters made up lies and haven't credited him with the teams new found success well it burns my ass. If he is to blame for losing then he sure is hell is to blame for winning. But the truth is he neither deserves nor should he get full credit for either. This is a team sport, and teams with the best talent usually are the ones that win on a consistant bases. Coaching has its roll to be sure it does, but again look at lets say Pitt, do you think they would fire BC if he had a losing season? No they make personnal changes because they understand that #1 BC is a solid coach and players play hard for him #2 he or any other coach is not likely to win devoid of talent. And thats where this team started from, and you would think that someone with one ounce of sense would realize that, and make allowances for it. If RAC had come to this team and we were loaded with talent, trust me I would drive the bus we throw him under, but that was not the case, and to a degree we continue to suffer in certain areas, not becuase RAC is a idiot but because we lack talent in certain areas. But the truth is when the talent becomes better we will win, and thats all you can ask for in a HC. I think the fact that we have improved the talent in certain areas and have been successful speaks for itself. We can and will win with RAC, when the talent is better. Again if you know squat you and many others should know that much, but truth is you DON'T...  And the worst part is you do it under the disguise that your a realist, and your just stating what you see. Well your eyes lied to you as it did many others, you would think that you would at least be honest enough to eat your crow and go off quitely...  Cry because you got crow rubbed in your face if you like but you where wrong as were many others, and based on the lies I have seen over the past year you along with many others deserve it rubbed in your face. I will add this too, I hope you all learned something. That is my one true great hope, that you learned. Well did you ?? 
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Clem, your point of view is always valid and well thought out.
Ok.....I concede......your not totally blind 
I fully agree that he's the antithesis of Davis. Intead of fearing the coach, the players love him. I've always liked that about RAC. Sadly, one thing that I thought was behind this team was the numbskull mistakes of young players acting out. Bodden and Frasier.............All I know that I can't tell you the last time someone on Parcells or Bellyache's teams did something like that. Now can RAC be fully blamed? Nope, that wouldn't be fair. Still, those are things that the great coaches don't have to deal with.
I suppose that, as an organization, they've done what they needed to do in order to get the most out of RAC. They had to rebuild his staff for him, and he needs help on gameday and apparently on the practice field, but the players play hard for him, and Chud has the offense firmly in control.
I just question whether or not RAC has enough presence and snap to be the guy to take this team all the way.
In the meantime, keep posting. I digs it 
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Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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More of a general response not directly aimed at you Toad!
I'm having tons of trouble drawing a direct line between what a few players do in the way of penalties on the field and any coaching issues.
It's one of those, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink things.
I'm sure that RAC and all the coaches preach dicipline.. I feel this way because it's not an every week occurance.
Yesterday, it seemed like nobody was wanting the Browns to win except the Zebras... well, at least until the last play of the game anyway..
DA getting picked twice and a botched snap... Cribbs with the Muff (I can't blame him, but still) Bodden and Fraser with STUPID Penalties..
That's not altogether a coaching issue.. I mean it's not as if it happenes all the time. It doesn't.
I cant' remember the last botched snap... I can't remember the last time Cribbs muffed, and I can't remember the last time that Fraser got called for anything. Bodden,, yeah, sure I see him getting some penalties, but that may be more of a function of the position he plays than anything else.,
I have a problem with people trying to tie this back to the HC I get the sense that it all stems from how many people wanted him fired early in the year and last summer for the Coin flip of all things.. (as if no other coach on the planet ever mis-poke before)
But with the Browns on the winning side of the ledger, the only thing left to do is nitpick the hell out of him. And if the facts don't support firing RAC, then the only avenue left is to take little things and make them big things..
Then there is always somebody willing to take something like this with the penalties.. and say that guys commit those infractions because a coach didn't say,, DON'T DO THAT! Come on,, did you guys watch the game yesterday.,., Am I the only guy that saw RAC just about take Frasers head off?
When are we gonna say,,, HEY,, the players fouled this up and just leave it at that.
For some on here, somehow it always leads back to RAC should have done this or RAC shouldn't have done that,,
Tell me, does anyone actually think that RAC and his coaches aren't telling the players about how penalties and turnovers can kill a team? Does anyone actually believe they aren't preaching it every single day in every possible way?
This is NOT one of those teams that is so deep on the D side of the ball that if a guy commits a bone headed infraction, that we can afford to sit them as punishment.. The only thing they can do is yell and scream at them..
I think I saw a little of that with RAC yesterday.. actually, I saw a lot of that with RAC yesterday.
I'm probably asking too much I guess!
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And the worst part is you do it under the disguise that your a realist, and your just stating what you see. Well your eyes lied to you as it did many others, you would think that you would at least be honest enough to eat your crow and go off quitely...
??? So you are a mind reader now?? LMFAO...  Do your parents know that you post on here??
I skipped the 40 sentence paraCRAP that you wrote in the beginning of your post as I have seen nothing to indicate to me that all your inentions really are is to try and get a rise out of me..
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Cry because you got crow rubbed in your face if you like but you where wrong as were many others, and based on the lies I have seen over the past year you along with many others deserve it rubbed in your face.
Have we gone to the playoffs under RAC?? Has he taken us to the Superbowl?? IS HE THE REASON THIS OFFENSE HAS IMPROVED?? WAS HE NOT THE ONE THAT CHOSE Charlie as his starter??? Being the FULL RAC supporter that you claim to be, you supported him with his screw ups as well...
and another thing... You are a new poster since July... Hardly enough credence to carry the weight of being a vocal RAC supporter around these parts prior to this season as you so claim and well shy of that "year" you claim to have been around here... My guess is that the board gods sent you packing under your old username and now you are stirring it up under a new alias...
I do not know how many gallons of bath water you drank before joining the board but my advice would be to choke it down with some soap next time and purge this steady stream of B.S. you seem to be spouting... 
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Hardly enough credence to carry the weight of being a vocal RAC supporter
I've been around forever and you don't listen to me either ... What's that say
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Remind me not to fight with you on the board. 
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1st Style I have only been a member here for a short time correct you are on that count, but I was a long time member of the Browns Board so yeah I have seen dumb lie filled posts by the likes of you for quite sometime. There is nothing new about it to me, from the likes of you. As for my Mommy knowing if I post on here I dare say I have a few years on you, and I have taken the time to actually learn the game of football, and what it takes to be a good team. That is clearly something that escapes you, so you just continue to tell your lies, and I will continue to serve up your crow.  No we have not gone to the playoffs with RAC. But, I have a better one for you. Who could we have hired, or who should we have hired that would have gottin us there any sooner then RAC? Thats the point you skip right over, and refuse to address. Better talent gets better results. You like many others have 2 people that you ALWAYS blame for losing. The coach and the QB. You never look beyond those 2 people, and hey it just shows what you don't know, and thats about it.  You asked, do you support RAC when he screws up? Yes I do, as I support the players as well. You see I understand that people make mistakes, and I make some allowance for it. You expect perfection, and nit pick your way through life, and quite frankly it shows who is truly immature. Oh that would be you wouldn't it ??? Come on its time for your crow, be a man eat it, and go AWAY...
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The coach and the QB. You never look beyond those 2 people, and hey it just shows what you don't know, and thats about it.
NEVER is a pretty definitve word to use considering you and I have debated this ONE TOPIC on this ONE THREAD EVER!!!
Funny part about it all is, anytime this subject has come up there are certain posters that I have exchanged differences with and they know who they are... The difference between them and you is that I actually respect them and their opinions and they make a good argument... Suffice it to say, I will just lump your kind in with all the rest of your cronies from the Browns board and call it a day... Two can generalize in this argument...
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The difference between them and you is that I actually respect them and their opinions and they make a good argument
Thank you,,, I know you know that I know that everyone elses knows what we know and that is that I know what your saying here 
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Frankly, for someone who claims to know and talk football you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time arguing with people and saying "I told you so". Fairly humorous for someone who's been posting regularly for only a month or two. Perhaps if you changed your tune you'd get to talk more and argue less.
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BTTB, it's all about your attitude man... just chill out.. This ain't the Browns message board where every other guy is a punk...
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BTTB, it's all about your attitude man... just chill out.. This ain't the Browns message board where every other guy is a punk...
WOW Damon you ALWAYS do it. You stand on the sideline and take your little snips at me, and then I am suppose to just ignore it. Dude you want a problem you got it. It's posts like yours and there have been several where you take your little snips and bites at me, and me for my part I have ignored them. Don't try it again, or bet your ass I will light a fire under your ass.  Now perhaps I do come on a bit strong at times, and yes I agree with the exception of you lately, and a few others the board is pretty civil. Nothing nearly as bad as the Browns board, but still there are those (like you lately) that make it a less enjoyable, then it should be. I suggest to you that you kool it yourself, and never mind about me. I am not your problem, unless you make me your problem that is!!
As for you Otto seems to me that its not me thats looking for a problem or to argue but rather you. Are you a memebr of the board police, or is it your policy to tell people how they should post. Save it OK!!
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1. The only lighting of fires will be done by the Refs.
2. If you wish to stay here, you WILL cease the veiled threats. I do not care who you are, who you think you are or how much you think it has hurt your pride. The only rules that matter here are the Board's Rules. Not yours and not your interpretation of them.... only mine.
Leave your tough guy act at the door or you will be shown it.
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. I suggest to you that you kool it yourself, and never mind about me. I am not your problem, unless you make me your problem that is!!
ALERT ALERT,,, INTERNET TOUGH GUY ON THE LOOSE... SOMEONE HURRY.... GET ME THE POLICE!
I'm totally scared of you man... Really,, I mean it,, I am...
As If!
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Let it go.
I shoulda locked the thread.
Browns is the Browns
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OK Purp,,, that I will do,, But please don't lock the thread because of him,, Please don't.,.
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Sorry ref the guy has been following me from one post to the next taking shots at me. And I want you to know that I have ignored it up until now. I wanted to let him know that I wasn't going to take it anymore, that is all. I welcome debate, I thought thats what we were here for, but to take cheep shots every time someone makes a post is not debate, its just insulting, IMHO.
Again SORRY, I think you took my post out of context, but SORRY none the less!!
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