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What if he digresses?
But I regress ..... 
No, digressing is much funner 
And that, kiddies, is why carrying on a conference call and posting are two things that don't go well together 
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Savage said he and the coaches are comfortable with playing Quinn during this playoff stretch if needed. Asked how he thinks Quinn would do in the still-developing Rob Chudzinski offense, Savage didn't hesitate.
You know I've been a supporter of Anderson because of his great performance this season, I'd support any QB that has gotten this far despite our atrocious defense. THough, if Savage believes this, then I'm on board for 1st and 3rd picks if a team wants to give up the money for Anderson. If he has this much confidence in Quinn then he must be doing well at practice and has a pretty good handle on the game. This will go down as either the smartest or dumbest move Savage has made since being hired on as Clevelands GM.
In all honesty ... what else is he going to say?
"Oh, we're screwed if Anderson goes down because Quinn's just not ready"? 
In reality, Quinn could be lighting it up in practices ...... or he could be misreading every play and have the team praying they can unload him before anyone else finds out.
Not terribly likely ..... but didn't anyone else get the memo on "coachspeak" and "gmspeak"?
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If it falls on the side of smartest, Savage will damn near get a statue in Public Square for this.
First getting a franchise QB, LT and CB all in the first half of one Draft (and possibly another CB in the 5th round of that same draft), then following it up less than a year later by getting a 1st & 3rd for a player we stole from a division rivals practice squad..... that's some serious work right there.
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We gave up more than that for a unproven college qb.
What did we give up again? I thought it was a second in 2007 Draft and a 1st in 2008 draft. If thats so, assuming we finish well and make the playoffs, then receiving a 1st and third in the upcoming draft would put us at, most likely, a high 1st, middle to low 2nd, a high 3rd and middle to low 3rd, a 5th, and 2 6th round picks. Thats a lot of picks to bring in young talent.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm thinking the only pick we traded outside the 2007 draft was an 08 draft 1st.
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. but didn't anyone else get the memo on "coachspeak" and "gmspeak"?
Actually, that is the one thing we haven't really gotten from Phil at all.
Sure, he's been guarded about what he says, but if you go back and look at things he has said about the major moves he has made, he's been pretty upfront about things... albeit cryptic at times.
His "gmspeak" isn't the outright lies and BS that we got from Butch. His is more a manner of speaking "gently" around what he is planning. He won't say things outright, but he hasn't BS'd us once that I can think of.
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If it falls on the side of smartest, Savage will damn near get a statue in Public Square for this.
First getting a franchise QB, LT and CB all in the first half of one Draft (and possibly another CB in the 5th round of that same draft), then following it up less than a year later by getting a 1st & 3rd for a player we stole from a division rivals practice squad..... that's some serious work right there.
Hehehe.........Should we mention to anyone that Savage had given up on Anderson, or should we just kind of forget about that and let bygones be bygones
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http://www.indeonline.com/index.php?ID=19657And from what Savage said Saturday, Frye won’t have to look over his shoulder after every incompletion to see whether Anderson is warming up on the sideline. “I think Charlie’s going to get time to play and do some things,” Savage said. “But I would never say ‘never.’ Derek showed last year he could come off the bench and make things happen. “I think some of it depends on how the game is going and how Charlie is throwing the ball. Injuries are always a factor – all sorts of things. But we feel we have three good quarterbacks we could put out there and hopefully win the game.” And: "Lets see what Charlie can do with a full deck. Charlie has the mobility. He’s got enough arm strength and accuracy. He’s got enough moxie to make things happen.” In "Savagespeak", "some time" is a quarter. lol "Let's see what he can do with a full deck" also = 1 quarter.
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Hehe, well, if SAvage were completely honest all the time, he wouldn't be qualified to be the GM.
Exec-u-speak is a necessity in today's world.
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Actually, that is the one thing we haven't really gotten from Phil at all.
Sure, he's been guarded about what he says, but if you go back and look at things he has said about the major moves he has made, he's been pretty upfront about things... albeit cryptic at times.
So true,, he is cautious (as he should be) but he calls them pretty much as they are...
I really believe the reason some fans don't trust Phil or RAC is because they are used to being bullshixxted so much by the coachs and GM's we've had.. they just don't trust anyone.
To me, Phil and RAC are earning that trust, but it's really gotta be an uphill battle.... winning helps however. 
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If it falls on the side of smartest, Savage will damn near get a statue in Public Square for this.
First getting a franchise QB, LT and CB all in the first half of one Draft (and possibly another CB in the 5th round of that same draft), then following it up less than a year later by getting a 1st & 3rd for a player we stole from a division rivals practice squad..... that's some serious work right there.
Hehehe.........Should we mention to anyone that Savage had given up on Anderson, or should we just kind of forget about that and let bygones be bygones
Noone said he was perfect, but those are some MAJORLY HUGE moves within the span of a single year.
Besides, the Winners write the History Books 
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm thinking the only pick we traded outside the 2007 draft was an 08 draft 1st.
You have the picks right...I was saying giving a 2nd and a 1st is more than getting a 1st and a 3rd. The number of picks is still equal.
I also dispute your optimism it will be a high 1st rounder......my thinking it will be in the early 20's at best....so the 3rd would be corresponding.
Really....who wouldn't give a mid round 1st rounder and mid round 3rd rounder for a starting qb if you don't have one???
The correct answer is not many.
The only ones who wouldn't are those who somehow don't believe their eyes and the results being put up.
Look....Anderson is past the point of being a fluke. You don't fluke your way week after week. Not that the guy is perfect by any means, but flukes now should be measured in his poor games. It is far easier to do that than it is to fluke into a good game.
Several weeks back I started a thread claiming Anderson has proven he is at least a good back-up....and got ripped by a good portion of the board. Well....he is past that point no matter what you a some others say. GM's don't start talking about tagging guys who are barely back-ups.
No matter how it is cut....a 1st and 3rd isn't enough compensation.
Teams....or maybe fans value picks too much. I place value on guys who have proven a little something.
If we tag DA, I fully expect we match ANY offer made. It will surely be less then what a franchise tag costs.
Then....and only then will we consider a trade.
I think we see the value and potential in the kid and are going to want more than a crappy 1st and 3rd....hell, we may want more than two 1st's.
I think we also want to be able to dictate a bit more on where DA goes rather than leave it open he goes somewhere we don't want him......like Balt.
And as I have said....I wouldn't bet we just won't keep DA and dispose of Quinn after next season.
Draft picks are like money. Once it is gone, it is gone. It doesn't make any sense to start adding up draft picks spent after they are gone. It's like worrying about money after it's gone. It doesn't really matter at that point if "all" we can get for Quinn is a 2nd.......but the Schaub trade says we can probably do better than that..
Forget the darn picks...that is the way we had to think in the past, but, this is the dawn of a new era. Worry about who we have and what we are doing right now. You can't always be thinking about the future. Sometimes you have to consider the here and now.
You can save for a childs college fund. God forbid the child dies, but if he/she does, you don't continue to throw money into the fund.
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No matter how it is cut....a 1st and 3rd isn't enough compensation.
Great post Peen...and I agree.....to a certain extent. 
Let's say Atlanta offers up their first and 3rd for DA and signs him to a new deal. Is a top 5 pick in the 1st, as well as the 3rd enough compensation?
What I'm saying is I think there's a threshold for us. I would guess we'll be looking for a top 10 pick if we're going to pull the trigger on a trade. I don't think Savage views a middle of the road 1st rounder as enough in return for a full fledged starting QB.
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At the beginning of the year, national publications ranked the Browns' quarterback situation the worst in the league. Now they are the envy of some in the league, blessed with two young guns.
I didn't read the posts yet, since I felt I had to hurry up and run my mouth a bit before I do that.
But last season we had a horrible O-line, and, as the article says, perhaps the worst QB situation in the league.
Now, we have one of the better OL's in the league and perhaps one of the best QB situations.
What a turnaround in less than one season!
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If it is a top 5 pick, then yes, you would have to give it serious consideration.
It might even make sense if it was a top 10 pick....after the top 10 names on either side of the ball, it becomes a bum deal IMO. Just looking at the draft, this doesn't look to be the best year after maybe the first 6-7 players.....but deep into the 2nd and 3rd rounds....where we have picks. A pick in the teens or later isn't much better than a pick in the 30's.
But on Atlanta....Brohms old coach is there......it won't happen with them.
There is always a price......but no price is good enough if we aren't as sure as we can be about Brady.
See....I answer honestly.
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The way to look at it is this:
With all else remaining equal... Is the difference in performance that one could reasonably expect between Anderson & Quinn greater in value than the contributions that you could expect two Day 1 picks to have on our Defense?
I say no.
I say a solidified defense allows this team to get into a slugfest and be able to expect to come out a winner against any team in the league.
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Now, we have one of the better OL's in the league and perhaps one of the best QB situations.
What a turnaround in less than one season!
I agree. What the line has done is superb. What DA has done isn't diminished by what the line has done.
We hit on both cylinders.
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The way to look at it is this:
With all else remaining equal... Is the difference in performance that one could reasonably expect between Anderson & Quinn greater in value than the contributions that you could expect two Day 1 picks to have on our Defense?
I say no.
I say a solidified defense allows this team to get into a slugfest and be able to expect to come out a winner against any team in the league.
I fully understand that position and concede you could be right.
Once you are able to concede you could be wrong, then we are at the actual crossroads we face.
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Oh, I fully concede that I could be wrong... I just see it as an extreme remote possibility.
I see Quinn performing equal to or better as the far more likely scenario. And even if Quinn falters a bit and underperforms Anderson a bit... as long as what we get from those picks contributes enough to help us win a few, then we are ahead as a team.
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I understand the part about hoping Quinn plays lights out......but the less part, hoping to get it back on D sounds akin to robbing Peter to pay Paul.
That usually doesn't work out as hoped.
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Savage is a smart man... He has brought the Browns where they are with some help but he has orchestrated most of what we are seeing... IMO
If DA & JL finish the season strong we will probably have them both back next year at least... either way the Browns and PS and staff are in the driver seat... JL's, performance, work eithic attitude and pressence has been huge! DA has been outstanding... With DA, I go with the tender and see what next year brings.
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No matter how it is cut....a 1st and 3rd isn't enough compensation.
Which is why I asked on another thread,,, is it possible to get more than a 1st and 3rd if we High Tender him..
The answer I got back was Yes... it is.. But it takes a willing trading partner.
Here's how it could happen:
WE High tender him.. X team comes along and signs him to a contract exceeding what we offered..
We have two choices:
1, Match the offer and he's ours for another year.
2. Don't match the offer and take a 1st and 3rd....UNLESS
3, We say to X team that if they are serious about anderson, then we want two 1st round picks or whatever you want,, 1st this year, a 3rd this year and a 2nd next.,. whatever combination you prefer.
Then the X team says,, OK or NO... or they keep talking until an equitable deal is reached..
The minimum is a 1st and 3rd,,, but by no means is that the only thing you can get..
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If we tag DA, I fully expect we match ANY offer made. It will surely be less then what a franchise tag costs.
Then....and only then will we consider a trade.
One point to raise that hasn't been discussed yet is the poison pill. If Baltimore makes a 7 Year, 70M contract offer for Anderson and says that the contract becomes guaranteed if he plays more than 2 regular season games in any year in the state of Ohio, then are you suggesting that we swallow that pill?
It's a loose end that was not cleaned up in the whole Hutcheson / Burleson slap fight a couple years ago with Minnesota and Seattle.
There is a risk to tendering DA with the 1&3. If you're Savage and 1&3 doesn't do it as far as value to the Browns then you bypass the RFA and hit the Franchise Tender button which necessitates a 1&1. Then you talk trade and come down from there.
Personally I think that DA is operating in one of the best cockpits in the league. It could be argued (and I will here  ) that he has average or better than average players at every starting position on offense. Any QB would succeed here. Just as Savage envisioned more than 2 years ago.
Personally if Quinn is what I think he is.....I tender DA with the 1&3 and if someone bites I take it and run. We have one of the best pass blocking lines in all of football. He's strictly a pocket passer and is woefully inaccurate throwing on the run.
Put him on last year's team with our below average OL and I bet he goes 0-3. Oh wait....that happened. 
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y'all sure are greedy.
Sell high while the value is there. Take the 1st and 3rd if you can get it and run don't walk to the nearest draft board and start building a freakin' defense.
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If Baltimore makes a 7 Year, 70M contract offer for Anderson and says that the contract becomes guaranteed if he plays more than 2 regular season games in any year in the state of Ohio, then are you suggesting that we swallow that pill?
I think a pill of that nature would be dismissed if it was that egregious. The league does have domain over contract language.
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If Baltimore makes a 7 Year, 70M contract offer for Anderson and says that the contract becomes guaranteed if he plays more than 2 regular season games in any year in the state of Ohio, then are you suggesting that we swallow that pill?
I think a pill of that nature would be dismissed if it was that egregious. The league does have domain over contract language.
There was a contract ..... for a WR IIRC, that contained a similar provision. Unfortunately, I can't recall the player in question, or the resolution.
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Thanks Google. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2387043LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. -- Steve Hutchinson earned three trips to the Pro Bowl and one to the Super Bowl by blowing holes in defenses as a member of Seattle's offensive line. With the help of his agent, Tom Condon, and the Minnesota Vikings, Hutchinson also blew a big hole in the NFL free agency system. Named a transition player by the Seahawks, Hutchinson was free to negotiate with any team, with the Seahawks retaining the right to match any offer. But the Vikings used a so-called "poison pill" to prevent the Seahawks from matching the seven-year, $49 million offer sheet Minnesota got Hutchinson to sign. The pill was quick and deadly. It called for the matching team to guarantee Hutchinson's contract if he wasn't the highest-paid offensive lineman on his team. At $7 million a year, Hutchinson became the highest-paid guard in NFL history, but he would have been the second highest-paid on the Seahawks after left tackle Walter Jones. Faced with possibly guaranteeing all $49 million, the Seahawks didn't match the offer and let one of their best players go to the Vikings, where the only guarantee on his contract was his $10 million signing bonus and the base salary and $6 million roster bonus he collected. A week later, the Seahawks struck. They wanted Vikings wide receiver Nate Burleson, a restricted free agent tendered low at $712,600 by the Vikings. The Seahawks returned the favor to the Vikings and loaded their offer sheet to Burleson with poison pills. They gave Burleson the exact same long-term numbers the Vikings gave Hutchinson, seven years and $49 million, and loaded the offer with provisions that would make the entire amount guaranteed if the Vikings matched. Burleson's contract would be guaranteed if he played five or more games in the state of Minnesota or if his average salary were more than that of the highest-paid running back on the team. With Chester Taylor just getting a four-year, $14.1 million contract, the Vikings will be hard-pressed to match unless they want to give Burleson the biggest guarantee in NFL history. They will lose him for only a third-round choice. Suddenly, the NFL has a poison pill problem and no antidote. "First of all, I think the poison pill business stinks," Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren said. "That's too bad in our opinion. I think something has to be done about it. To my way of thinking, you compete like crazy on the field and the rules are in place contractually. I don't like the idea of agents dictating to us what they are going to do." There's more ... but that's the gist.
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JMHO, but I'm still not sold on Anderson. I know I'm probably in the minority, but I just still get concerned every time he drops back to pass that he's going to do something stupid with the ball. That's probably just the past few years working against me, but I just can't shake the feeling.
I won't be surprised to see us give him the franchise tender. Hell, it's kind of nice to have someone that we could actually put it on!
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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If it falls on the side of smartest, Savage will damn near get a statue in Public Square for this.
First getting a franchise QB, LT and CB all in the first half of one Draft (and possibly another CB in the 5th round of that same draft), then following it up less than a year later by getting a 1st & 3rd for a player we stole from a division rivals practice squad..... that's some serious work right there.
Your right, Savage has turned this team around. We had nothing except Winslow, now we could possibly make the playoffs in only his third year.
And as far as Phil and "GM Speak" he has been about as honest as a general manager can be. He said that drafting JT may be the wisest thing, and clearly he thought it was.
Back to Anderson... To me it is simple, give him the highest tender. If you are confident in BQ take the first and third without looking back.
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Burleson's contract would be guaranteed if he played five or more games in the state of Minnesota or if his average salary were more than that of the highest-paid running back on the team.
With Chester Taylor just getting a four-year, $14.1 million contract, the Vikings will be hard-pressed to match unless they want to give Burleson the biggest guarantee in NFL history. They will lose him for only a third-round choice. Suddenly, the NFL has a poison pill problem and no antidote.
Jeezo-Beezo...That's INSANE...
Goodell needs to do something about this...Like NOW...Or the CBA might as well eliminate RFA all together...
I'd bet right now that someone throws something in Anderson's offer sheet...If he plays 5 games in Ohio...
I think we better get used to the fact that Anderson won't be here next year...We Tender him...We see this "Pill" crap...He's history cause we won't match some insane sheet...
I also don't think we sign em' long term...I'd bet his agent says NOPE...Not enuff Phil...He's already pimpin' em' after every win...
ONLY way I see Anderson here is if we do in fact agree to a long term...Cause with the Bonus money we won't trade him to turn around and take a BIG Cap Hit from the acceleration of what we just gave em'...
Doesn't really matter to me which way we go but I'd prefer option 1 below...
1) Tender and take the 1 & 3 and go with Quinn (A 1...2...and 2 3's in the draft with a QB in hand)
2) Keep Anderson (No 1st rounder)
I really think Savage has a grasp on this with the input of Chudzinski & Crennel...
THINK about this...These guys breakdown film...They see how "OFF" Anderson is when flushed from the pocket...This is something that is EXTREMELY HARD to repair and improve on...It's much more ATHLETIC related than MECHANICS...Either u can throw on the move or u can't...And I'm not talking about having the time to SET YOUR FEET upon being flushed...
Whether anyone likes it or not...Quinn has shown a superb ability to be a "Creator" when on the move...He's done it at ND...He's done it in preseason...IT DOES NOT MATTER HE HASN'T DONE IT IN A REAL NFL GAME...He can do it...
Now the FO and Staff goes to the future...And the future is 2008...What do we want when we're up against the BEST teams in the NFL...And that's where we'll be if we want any shot at a Ring...These playoff teams WILL PRESSURE U...Do we go with a QB that becomes pretty erratic when flushed or do we go with a guy that has the ability to "Create" outside the pocket when need be...
Hands Down it's QUINN...
I believe this is the route we will go... It's gonna be interesting 4 sure...It's a GREAT situation to be in...And we gotta THANK Savage for having the nads to do what he did with Frye so quick outta the gate...Cause he got HAMMERED 4 it...
This is working out SUPERBLY...Whether we go with DA or not... 
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y'all sure are greedy.
Sell high while the value is there. Take the 1st and 3rd if you can get it and run don't walk to the nearest draft board and start building a freakin' defense.
It's not Greed,, it's just getting something good for something valuable is the trick.. I want the best I can get for DA...
Truth be told, I don't want to lose DA at all so to get me to let him get away, someone's gotta give me a ton..
Yeah,, on second thought,,, it is Greedy
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And in the immortal words of Gordon Gecko "Greed is Good." Seriously, don't we deserve to be a little greedy? You don't just strike gold and sell it for pennies because you're just happy to get something for nothing. The bottom line in all of this is... whether we keep DA or not, Phil has to weigh every possible outcome and make a plan to continue building for the future. That's what it's all about. He needs to continue laying those bricks on the foundation he began when he got here in 2005. We're not anywhere near where we need to be. The building is not done. There are pieces missing and he needs to maximize our potential to get those pieces, which are draft picks. Someone else said it right... they watch the film and the practices every freakin' day. Who are any of us to say who can do what? Quinn can do this, Quinn can't do that. DA can do this, he can't do that. Do you guys realize how little we actually know and see about these players? I fully trust the FO to make the right decisions regarding player personnel. That's why they get paid. I think Phil has done an outstanding job so far and I think he has a plan in mind. And he's going to go ahead with that plan. It just so happens that while driving to the worksite one day, he stumbled upon a 6' 6" diamond with a rocket arm. So now the plan can be funded and may be completed sooner than originally thought. But it doesn't change the plan, IMHO. It's all about the future and building a team with staying power. A team that contend year after year after year. Phil knows that there is only one way to get there. The plan is in place and it's going to be complete soon. We should all be happy with that.
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Browns safety  Gary Baxter has received the 2007 Ed Block Courage Award from his teammates for his valiant comeback to the practice field after suffering two torn patellar tendons in 2006.
say what so he has been moved to saftey now?!
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Browns safety Gary Baxter has received the 2007 Ed Block Courage Award from his teammates for his valiant comeback to the practice field after suffering two torn patellar tendons in 2006.
say what so he has been moved to saftey now?!
Over 2 months ago, yes....
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And from what Savage said Saturday, Frye won’t have to look over his shoulder after every incompletion to see whether Anderson is warming up on the sideline.
“I think Charlie’s going to get time to play and do some things,” Savage said. “But I would never say ‘never.’ Derek showed last year he could come off the bench and make things happen.
“I think some of it depends on how the game is going and how Charlie is throwing the ball. Injuries are always a factor – all sorts of things. But we feel we have three good quarterbacks we could put out there and hopefully win the game.”
And: "Lets see what Charlie can do with a full deck. Charlie has the mobility. He’s got enough arm strength and accuracy. He’s got enough moxie to make things happen.”
In "Savagespeak", "some time" is a quarter. lol "Let's see what he can do with a full deck" also = 1 quarter.
Your starting QB get's sacked 5 times in the first 20 minutes of gametime, he's getting beaten like a ragdoll. You have to do something.
And honestly, I don't think Seattle called up the Monday morning and asked for Charlie, I think the trade talks were in the works, and Charlie was "auditioning" and they yanked him to avoid him getting injured and voiding the trade.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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"Not so sure I agree.
Why rush to get a contract done with Anderson at all? Dunn and his client have zero power here. There is no rush to sign him as we control his future no matter how things play out."
Well some things never change...lol 
1. I wasn't saying to rush to get a contract done. But if we wanted DA long term now would be better than later.
2. True we control his future...not exactly true (I'll get to that) - But we don't control the contract negotiations when the season is done. Leverage passes from us - to his agent in the negotiations of length of contract, signing bonuses and salary.
(I'll get to that ) we control his future as in we can match any offer but we won't control who and what contract DA signs! If we negotiate now we do as in OUR OFFER.
What ifs??? don't understand where that fits remotely in the equation. But if anything that falls into the category that we could get him cheaper now rather than later.
Play better??? Our staff and Savage know exactly what we have in DA by now.
If nobody ponies up the 1 n 3 for DA we are screwed. Cause DA will sign for the 2.5 mil (whatever the tender is) and I really doubt he does anything in 08 except backup BQ.
"If Anderson were putting up Brady numbers, sure, we'd be going after a contract extension now, but outside of the rediculous stats, offering him a contract now would just be dumb."
You don't really post that much to me since your return...sorry I was expecting more. I think your totally misconceive what I was stating.
My point and I still stand by it being a good one. Was simple...If Savage considers DA to be our FRANCHISE QB as there are many DA fans out there who profess he is just that. He would negotiate now with Dunn without any competition of other others in the negotiations. and get the long term contract done. Obviously that is not being done. Obviously I have been on record stating that DA never was considered by Savage to be our franchise QB but only our Franchise Backup.
You act as if I'm saying Savage is dumb for not working out a deal and signing DA.
You are debating the wrong tree here 
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1. I wasn't saying to rush to get a contract done. But if we wanted DA long term now would be better than later.
I think your premise is that if Savage really felt he was a franchise guy, now would be the time to sign him. Correct?
I'm confident that's your position.
My position is that it's still too early to make that determination, so giving him a contract now isn't the right move.
I suppose the difference in opinion here is that you believe that Savage has allready made his determination: Anderson isn't the guy.
My opinion is that there's no rush to make that call, as the money "saved" in signing Anderson now instead of later is of no consequence, as it's worth spending that extra money if Anderson proves over these last few games and in the playoffs that he's really the man. Afterall, if he keeps getting better, it keeps Quinn (and his escalators) on the bench, so we're trading money for money, which means we're not really losing that much on the cap. I'm actually too lazy to cross-reference Anderson's potential market value with Quinn's contract if he meets his escalators.
Let's go about it like this: How much more do you think Anderson would get in two months than he'd get now? I don't think we'd be able to sign Anderson "on the cheap" right now. Dunn would want big bucks, so it's not as though he'd want a ton more than what he wants now by the end of the year. Even if he did want something more, by keeping Quinn on the bench, we aren't really spending money at all. It's just going to a different QB.
BUT, what if Anderson falls apart? What if he throws 5 int's in his first playoff game? What if he blows out his elbow or shoulder?
I simply see too many reasons not to offer him a deal this very moment, since I feel as though the cost to sign him now isn't significantly lower than what it'll be at the end of the season, nevermind the fact that Anderson still has questions that need to be answerd. How to answer those questions? Let him play and answer them himself.
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My take has been that "if it's not broken, don't fix it." DA is working out nicely at QB and I'm not sure I like the idea of messing that up? However, I can also understand letting DA go, only, IF we get a 1st and 3rd picks! I really feel that Quinn can do the job, though he doesn't have quite as strong an arm as DA, he's still got accuracy and poise!
Now as far as Lesis goes, I say we should sign him to a 3 year deal and also sign Michael Turner to a 5 year deal! We would have a nice one/two punch at RB, instead of having Jamal Lewis and the rest of the RB's that are little more than backups at best! Maybe we can steal Chester Taylor away from Minnesota, LOL!
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"I think your premise is that if Savage really felt he was a franchise guy, now would be the time to sign him. Correct?
I'm confident that's your position.
My position is that it's still too early to make that determination, so giving him a contract now isn't the right move.
You're still missing the boat here and trust me I won't go back n forth on this subject.
1. Is my premise...yes
2. You state that its too early to make that determination...ERGO YOU ARE BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE.
Cause you only got part of my POINT in your premise. It is not I that is saying for us to sign him long term or that we will or that we should. It is I saying if that is the case - Savage would be doing it now.
This is NOT WHAT I'M SAYING...If lets say we win the Super Bowl with DA and Savage decides then that DA has conquered most of his weaknesses and is our Franchise QB and signs him long term. I'm not saying he won't or shouldn't.
I'm not saying DECIDE NOW...others who think DA without a doubt is our Franchise QB are saying that NOW. It was to that thinking that I was making my point that it just is not the case...Cause DA's agent is contacting Savage weekly and we are not negotiating a new contract.
I was not criticizing Savage for waiting till this rides out.
There is no debate - we don't really disagree much. But you seem to be hitting on something that I'm off base that purely does not exist.
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