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That's a great trade for us.
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Wish he would have played for us since week 2. I’m fearful it’s too little too late.
But clearly we need help at LB … BIG TIME
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Don't know much about him but welcome defensive help...
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Wish he would have played for us since week 2. I’m fearful it’s too little too late.
But clearly we need help at LB … BIG TIME He just came off the PUP list after having off season shoulder surgery. I'm not sure he has much of any impact this year. In 2021 he had PFF overall grade of 34.6 with 26 missed tackles and allowed passer rating of 121.1. In 2020 overall PFF grade was 68.7. Best years were 2018 (73.7) and 2019 (76.6). I'll be curious to see the salary details. For this season he has a cap hit of $13.2M. Next year has a cap hit of $20.1M and dead cap of $12.1M. This tells you just how bad the Browns LBs have been. Falcons were talking about trading him back in the offseason, but had to wait until he came off the PUP list. https://www.usatoday.com/story/nfl/...ff-pup-list-shoulder-surgery/7889644001/
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Panic move.
The Browns are one of the worst teams in the league and no one in the organization saw it coming.
The youth and inexperience of those in charge is really showing.
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This tells you just how bad the Browns LBs have been. Yep.
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I know negativity rules the day, but the dude was a Pro Bowler. Is a late round pick for him a really bad deal? Really?
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They give that much for placeholders.
Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
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I think it’s just telling HOW bad our defense has been . They literally did it hours after a game. Couldn’t stomach to see Phillips out there any more
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Right...........Walker was one of the highest graded LBers by PFF. Believe in them or not.....it's not a stretch to think that Jones might help. We gave up a late round pick. Big deal. It's not the end of the world.
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Coaches and front office scapegoating the players. No way this does anything to help the D.
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Couldn’t stomach to see Phillips out there any more He's impossibly bad.
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Coaches and front office scapegoating the players. LMAO
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How does he compare to the (history) of Mack Wilson.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Right...........Walker was one of the highest graded LBers by PFF. Believe in them or not.....it's not a stretch to think that Jones might help. We gave up a late round pick. Big deal. It's not the end of the world. Jones had 137 combined tackles last season with a bum shoulder. I like this move. I would also bring in another DT.
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No way this does anything to help the D. gap integrity? replacing a Db with a linebacker on some downs? 2nd year players playing time? Tony Fields II? A. Walker out for the year?
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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This tells you just how bad the Browns LBs have been. Yep. Bet it was before that. Berry was probably on the phone when Ekeler had 11 rushes for 148 yards before the 3rd quarter was over... when he had 45 carries for 145 in the first 4 games combined.
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I think it’s just telling HOW bad our defense has been . They literally did it hours after a game. Couldn’t stomach to see Phillips out there any more When did he come off the PUP list? Is it possible that we had worked on a trade for awhile but couldn't officially do it until today? (honest question)
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Right...........Walker was one of the highest graded LBers by PFF. Believe in them or not.....it's not a stretch to think that Jones might help. We gave up a late round pick. Big deal. It's not the end of the world. Jones had 137 combined tackles last season with a bum shoulder. I like this move. I would also bring in another DT. Yep. We gave up a late round pick.
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yet no interior D-line help??
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as bad as the Lb's are, DT is worse, even average DT play and the LB and DE's look that much better. There were guys like Martinez available when Walker went down that would have helped more than this. Not a good look waiting until desperation to make a move.
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HERE WE GO BROWNIES! HERE WE GO!!
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j/c...
This part is good news. Low risk flyer. Expectations are low, but the salary cap implications were the initial concern.
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Great trade terms for browns... high upside... low risk
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Right.
Seems like a no-brainer.
Nice job by Berry.
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as bad as the Lb's are, DT is worse, even average DT play and the LB and DE's look that much better. There were guys like Martinez available when Walker went down that would have helped more than this. Not a good look waiting until desperation to make a move. Aren’t you the guy that was just complaining that Berry doesn’t admit when he makes a mistake? Isn’t that what he just did? Saw Phillips wasn’t the guy so he traded for someone who has been?
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as bad as the Lb's are, DT is worse, even average DT play and the LB and DE's look that much better. There were guys like Martinez available when Walker went down that would have helped more than this. Not a good look waiting until desperation to make a move. Aren’t you the guy that was just complaining that Berry doesn’t admit when he makes a mistake? Isn’t that what he just did? Saw Phillips wasn’t the guy so he traded for someone who has been? only took him 3 seasons to see what just about everyone else saw.. and trading for a LB on IR...wow...awesome move
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j/c...
This part is good news. Low risk flyer. Expectations are low, but the salary cap implications was the initial concern.
Dude might not work out, but it was certainly worth the risk. Our LBers have been horrible. I mentioned on the Other Games thread how similar we are to the 49ers. The big difference is that they have two kick-ass LBers in Warner and Greenlaw. Warner is an excellent all-around LBer. Maybe the best in the game. Greenlaw is a mean SOB. They make plays all over the field.
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Is Jones a mean SOB?
We need many more mean SOBs... since we have, well, zero.
That was complaint last year, that's my complaint this year.
Absolutely. No. NASTY.
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No, we had too many personal fouls today because the D was playing mean and incompetent.
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It’s a clear sign that we SHOULD be winning games now. That’s why it’s so frustrating: we have the offensive talent (even without the top tier QB), but our defense is literally THAT bad
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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This tells you just how bad the Browns LBs have been. Yep. I was watching ticky tacki wandering around all over the field like he was lost.
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He's a slow special teamer. That's all.
Tackles are tackles.
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Taki was bad yesterday. In fact, our entire LB corp was bad. They’re all extremely flawed.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Taki was bad yesterday. In fact, our entire LB corp was bad. They’re all extremely flawed. This is the issue I have with this. Phillips, Taki, and JOK were all 2-4 round picks and all played for big college programs. They shouldn't be as bad as they are playing which is the worst linebacking corps in the league. Coaching matters. But now the organization is playing follow the bouncing ball and is trying to convince fans it's the players. It's disingenuous. I always end up being right on this stuff. The coaching is really, really bad.
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I had a similar comment with a buddy: here’s the hierarchy … players get the blame, then coordinators, then HC, then GMs.
As soon as we start blaming the players (which this trade basically does), obviously the coordinators will be next
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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But now the organization is playing follow the bouncing ball and is trying to convince fans it's the players. It's disingenuous. Do you have links for this damning claim? I haven't read the articles where the organization is throwing the players under the bus.
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You mean other than the fact the Browns made a trade after the game for a player who will replace a current player?
What is it that you are looking for exactly?
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