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Not sue I get this trade. From the little I know about Manzardo, this trade doesn't seem to help us this year nor does it provide significant upside in the future.

seems like the Guards are punting. So dumb

The only thing I can figure is that they really like their young pitching, and they feel that Civale will break down again this season, and might as well get something for him.

However, getting back a broken down player in return seems a lot like settling.

Love of a prospect and fear of injury was behind the Guardians trading Aaron Civale – Terry Pluto - cleveland.com
https://www.cleveland.com/guardians...ns-trading-aaron-civale-terry-pluto.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio – Scribbles in my notebook after the Guarrdians traded Aaron Civale to Tampa Bay for minor league first baseman Kyle Manzardo:

1 When the trade was announced, I wondered, “They got this kid Manzardo and who else?” I was hoping for a haul like Cleveland did when trading Mike Clevinger to San Diego. That deal brought Josh Naylor, Cal Quantrill, Owen Miller, Austin Hedges, Gabriel Arias and prospect Joey Cantillo to Cleveland.

2 But it’s Manzardo for Civale, straight up. I had been hearing Cleveland was open to trading its only healthy and effective starting pitcher for that reason – Civale is finally healthy. He has been on the disabled list five times since 2021. That’s five times in 2½ seasons, including nearly two months this year with an oblique strain.

3 As the Guardians talked trade, Civale’s value wasn’t what they’d hoped. According to the Guardians media guide, his injuries included a “right middle finger strain” … “left glute tightness” … “right wrist strain” … “right forearm inflammation.” Then the oblique problem this year.

4 Part of me wonders what would have happened if Shane Bieber had stayed healthy. Tampa Bay was shopping for an experienced starting pitcher. This trade shows the Guardians absolutely love Manzardo, who is ranked as the No. 37 overall prospect by MLB Pipeline. That could have been the Clevinger-type trade, starting with Manzardo and adding others. But Bieber went on the injured list with elbow problems. He’ll be out at least until the middle of September.

5 This is a tough trade for the current coaching staff and roster. Manzardo is on the injured list in Class AAA with a shoulder strain. It sounds like he’ll be out for a while, and probably not see the Majors until 2024. This trade hurt the short-term quest for the playoffs in 2023.

6 President Chris Antonetti hinted at other moves to come, possibly to bring in another starting pitcher. The trade deadline is 6 p.m. Tuesday. We’ll see.

7 As for Manzardo, the lefty hitter “comes at a steep cost,” according to Antonetti. Civale won’t be a free agent until after the 2025 season. Other than the fear of injury, there was no rush to trade him. The driving force appears to be a chance to acquire Manzardo. Antonetti admitted the team needs hitters at the upper end of the farm system.

8 Baseball America wrote this about Manzardo: “He emerged as one of the breakout prospects of 2022 when he hit .327/.426/.617 with 22 home runs and 81 RBIs in 93 games while climbing to Class AA. He’s come back down to earth some this year as his weaknesses have been exposed by advanced pitchers in Class AAA. He hit just .238/.342/.442 with 11 home runs and 38 RBIs in 73 games at Class AAA Durham while failing to make the quality of contact expected of a top first base prospect. At his best, Manzardo has exceptional strike-zone discipline and swing decisions. He avoids chasing out of the zone and sprays line drives around the park. He has the raw ingredients to be an above-average hitter, but he has struggled badly against lefties this season (.148/.262/.273) to create platoon concerns. Manzardo has just above-average raw power, which sits on the low end for a first baseman, and will have to prove he can get to it against high-end pitching.”

9 Baseball America didn’t like him. I do think a .784 OPS is good for a 23-year-old in Class AAA, where the average age is 26. His 2022 season was his first full year of pro ball. He batted .327 (1.036 OPS) with 22 HR and 81 RBI in 93 games at the Class A and AA levels. The Guardians have no one in the farm system with those type of stats.

10 I don’t know these prospects well enough to have a strong opinion. In general, I trust the Guardians on deals like this. Finding prospects in trades has been their speciality. Even this season in his first taste of Class AAA, Manzardo had 30 extra-base hits (19 doubles and 11 homers) with 11 HR and 38 RBI in 73 games, batting .238 (.784 OPS).

11 As one MLB source mentioned, “Who would have thought Civale would bring a top-50 MLB prospect at the start of the season?” It’s a fair question. Manzardo zoomed up to Class AAA after only 106 games at the lower levels. He was a first team All-American at Washington State. He’s always hit.

12 This is a wait-and-see trade. Wait and see if Civale stays healthy. Wait and see if Manzardo turns into the hitter the Guardians project. Wait and see what the Guardians do for another starting pitcher. So we wait ... and see.

As you said, it's a sellers market. Civale is at his height in value. The guy is a #3 pitcher IMO. Maybe a #2 in a good year. Add in his propensity to get hurt...not the bad injuries, just the nagging things and it makes sense to me.

We picked up a top prospect. The guy in known for hitting. We need hitters, so we went and got one.

No, he won't help this year. Maybe any year, but Civale wasn't either.

I thought Civale's ceiling was a #3 starter in a rotation that was healthy.

This team, even if it wins the crappy Central, is most likely going nowhere significant in the playoffs. We know it (even if some don't want to admit it) and the Guardians FO knows it. We've seen Civale for a handful of years and he has plateaued as a pitcher, and adding in the injuries, I don't think this team expected to see more growth as a pitcher. He is what he is at this point.

There are a bevy of young pitchers in the bigs right now- McKenzie, Bibee, Williams, & Allen. I'm guessing the Guardians would like to give them more innings through the end of the year. We also have young prospects like Espino and Cantillo (maybe?). If Quantrill wasn't injured, I'm guessing he would be on the trade block too or flat our DFA'd. I think they've seen enough of him and know what he is. A #4/#5 pitcher with no upside.

j/c…

Darn that's alot of dead money for a penny pinching front office
To take on. Can someone explain to me the love
Affair Francona has for Myles Straw?
He is a automatic out in the lineup

All I can say for Straw is centerfield is one of those defense first positions.

In most cases you can find someone who can do both to an acceptable level, but if not, the defensive ability is usually going to be the determining factor.

I know that isn't the answer you or others want to hear, but that's how it works.

I grew playing baseball and watching alot of baseball
Namely the Braves and the National League.
If a team has solid power hitters 3 to 5 then yeah ok
You can get away with a banjo hitting CF.
But at least when I was a student of the game
You had guys that could bunt their way on base or beat
Out infield hits routinely.
Miles Straw rarely draws walks or try to bunt his way on.
The Guardians have one legit power hitter.
In that case you need guys that can get on base
Anyway possible.
There is a reason why the Astros happily gave up
On Straw.
Straw at best is a late inning defensive replacement.

Exactly. A lineup of 5 of 8 hitters that can put the ball in
The seats is so hard to beat.
I remember those Braves Teams with Justice , Gant ,McGriff, Jones, Lopez
Were so lethal. Then they had solid contact hitters like
Pendleton and Lemke....
The Guardians last year was a anomaly
You can't sustain success with punch and Judy hitters.
The Guards remind me of the Cards teams with Whitey Herzog.
Minus the bases telling. 1 power hitter in the whole lineup.

I would love digital strikezone. It’s hard to watch sometimes because of the strikezone. Not just for the Guards (even though I feel our rookies are getting squeezed) but I tune into alot of games and it just isn’t consistent. One team pitches and gets no calls, the other team pitches and gets the calls the other team wasn’t.

I think it was cheaper to take on Segura’s money than Bell picking up his player option for next season. Manzardo the 1B we got from TB, was rated the prospect traded for at the deadline.

Anyone watch us get no-hit last? I told the wife after after the 2nd, we were getting no-hit. No plate discipline, swinging at everything. Was 1 pitch away from a perfect game.

We really need a change in ownership and FO.. This team is stuck and is just unwatchable. Bad drafts, worse farm management and non existant FA and trade deadline moves. I don't want to hear the BS about market, plenty of money to be able to do more than we have. Can't blame attendance anymore as its picked up the last couple years.. so whats Dolan's excuse now. The adage you have to spend money to make money holds true in professional sports.. want people to come out and spend money on seats and merchandise...give us a reason.. Only player I like on this team is Jram... rest are JAGS

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Hammy’s call

The Guardians immediately playing the "Jose, Joseeeeee....." music is an all timer, lol.

I'm dead. 🤣

...why watch baseball when I can get all the good stuff on Twitter?

AP writer Tom Withers said the stadium speakers were playing "Ring My Bell" during batting practice.

Savages.

Ok. I'll keep piling on.....

The worst part for that clown Anderson is that he got clobbered while another White Sox player was putting a headlock on Jose.

When do Bieber and McKenzie come back?

Beiber
McKenzie
Williams
Bibee
Allen/The Viking

A solid rotation with a offense that needs to take it up a notch...or ten.

manny ramirez jr, dangelo ortiz, and jaden sheffield

Wow...

I think Bieber possibly mid-sept if we are close. They are still trying to figure out if McKenzie needs tommy john surgery, I don’t think he plays til 2025.

Next year here’s what I think:

1. Williams
2. Bibee
3. Allen
4. Syndergaard
5. Cantillo, Espino, or another rookie I don’t know about.

1. Kwan. LF
2. Gimenez 2B
3. Ramirez 3B
4. J Naylor 1B/DH
5. Jonathan Rodriquez RF, with Noel in the wings.
6. Manzardo 1B/DH
7. B Naylor C
8. Arias, Freeman, Rocchio, Tena SS or another SS I’m forgetting
9. G Valera CF

I think in the offseason we trade Bieber, Straw, and Gonzalez.