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https://www.linkedin.com/news/story/musk-pauses-twitter-layoffs-6087250/

Rail worker strike looms... again

By Alessandra Riemer, Editor at LinkedIn News
Updated 17 hours ago


A looming rail strike could come to fruition just two months after a temporary agreement was reached between U.S. railroads and rail union leaders to avert a September shutdown. The news comes after the largest rail worker union voted on Monday to reject a White House organized labor deal, citing the need for better benefits such as paid sick leave, Axios reports. If a new agreement isn't reached by December 9th, a worker strike could finally get underway – leading to potential blowback to the economy and the supply chain ahead of the holidays.

If a monthlong strike does go through, it could also lead to a 1% decline in GDP, according to the American Chemistry Council.


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Perhaps you don't understand what a strike by railroad workers and/or truck drivers would do to this economy?

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Originally Posted by archbolddawg
Perhaps you don't understand what a strike by railroad workers and/or truck drivers would do to this economy?


1 billion a day in $ and within 7-14 days... total collapse.


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Perhaps you don't understand that nobody seems to care when big business does things that have the exact same impact. Only when workers take a stand.


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Perhaps you don't know even 1/10th of what you think you know.

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Originally Posted by archbolddawg
Perhaps you don't know even 1/10th of what you think you know.

I think you need a bigger denominator.

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Millions of jobs have bent sent overseas by American businesses. It's obvious some people think the American worker means nothing when it comes to them using collective bargaining. But that hasn't been the problem. The problem has been that American businesses have outsourced their jobs overseas. It's not me that uses a microscope when looking at a subject. Broaden your horizons. And take that your troll buddy with you.


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Millions of jobs have been sent over seas. Correct. Now, since you know everything, can you answer why? I can.

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Because rather than pay living wages to American workers they chose to pay substandard wages to foreign workers. Then there is getting around environmental regulations because polluting the planet means nothing to them. Then there are the tax loopholes that help line their pockets even further. I'm sure there are more reasons.


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Ya'll are missing the point. It all comes down to 4 words in this thread, Whitehouse brokered labor deal.
That's it, and that's it entirely.

one. The Whitehouse doesn't broker or deal, ... they pretend to be on one side or another of a double sided issue when in reality,
they are juzt dictatorz. there are not 2 sides, there is only the dictator, (think big democrat)
and that dictator, would create a story, (like this one) so that if the economy collapses at a larger level, larger rate
which it does because big democrat steals, (that's all they really know how to do, except lie too)
so
if their dirty deeds lead to a too big of an effect on the economy,
the dictator, (big D), has created this pretend/real on too many levelz/ scenario of a railroad strike so they have someone to blame
but
know this
the white house is in complete control of both the railroad, and the railroad worker union, and whichever way the "vote" of the railroad worker union would go,
and
be pretty sure the "looming railroad strike" by the dictator, (who controlz both sides) is juzt/again another threat by the big dictator
against the people/masses to mind your P's and @'s
or ... obey the dictator. This Tyranny will not last forever,
Jesus is in control in the end.
don't get caught up in the smaller details of whose side to fight against both sides are the same. (evil) so Love Good, and hate evil, do good and love your enemies.
This world will not last.


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Originally Posted by Squires


I bet the unions are happy they voted for Biden.


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Too bad the restaurant and hospitality service industry workers can’t hold the USA economy hostage for better pay and more days off.


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Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Originally Posted by Squires


I bet the unions are happy they voted for Biden.

Yeah I bet when Ronnie Reagan stopped the air traffic controllers strike he was popular with the unions as well.


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Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Originally Posted by Squires


I bet the unions are happy they voted for Biden.

Yeah, they would have done so much better with trump.

rofl


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Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Originally Posted by Squires


I bet the unions are happy they voted for Biden.

Yeah, they would have done so much better with trump.

rofl

Trump is irrelevant and hot garbage.


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So since he announced he is once again running for president you claim he's irrelevant? Sure, sure.....


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Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Too bad the restaurant and hospitality service industry workers can’t hold the USA economy hostage for better pay and more days off.


Imagine having a contract that after 3 years you would get a pay raise and when those 3 years are up you don't get one.

As a worker you can't negotiate a raise they are given based on how long you work there.
Advancement takes years
They can literally work you to death - they can work you 100+ hours a week for months at a time.

They are fighting for sick time because they really have any time off. If they miss a day while on call (which is basically any day they are off)... they can go 1-2 weeks before they get back into the rotation to be able to work. It is not like a normal job where you call off and you can go back to work the next day.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
So since he announced he is once again running for president you claim he's irrelevant? Sure, sure.....

there is 0 chance that loser gets through the primaries.


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https://www.npr.org/2022/11/30/1139876084/congress-house-railroad-strike-bill

The House has voted to avert a rail strike. Now the bill heads to the Senate
Updated November 30, 20221:41 PM ET
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The House has passed a resolution 209-137 that would force unions to accept a tentative agreement reached earlier this year between railroad managers and their workers and make an imminent strike illegal.

President Biden has been leading the effort to head off a strike that could upend transportation of goods and services, skyrocketing prices on everyday items, including gasoline.

The House also voted on a resolution that would provide seven days of paid sick leave to railroad workers. That measure passed 221 to 207. The effort is meant to ease concerns from labor unions and some lawmakers, despite Biden's request not to alter the carefully negotiated underlying deal. However, the Senate will also vote on both measures separately — meaning its possible the contract could be approved without the sick leave change.

Labor advocates have long criticized the agreement for not addressing leave policies and particularly not including paid sick days — major sticking points between workers and management in the years-long negotiations.

"We're disappointed that Congress is being called to intervene here for a couple reasons. The first one is it shouldn't take the president or Congress to intervene to begin with. The railroads should do the right thing," said Peter Kennedy, chief negotiator for BMWED, one of the unions who rejected the agreement over the lack of sick leave, adding that the union is prepared to strike.

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"We continue to ask that Congress do the right thing here, which is: If you're going to legislate a solution, they should legislate paid sick leave along with the tentative agreements," Kennedy said.

But railroad managers are already warning Congress against making any changes to the agreement. They, and Biden, urge Congress to pass a bill implementing it as it was negotiated in the fall.

"The ramifications of approving such a measure would disincentivize future voluntary agreements for freight railroads, Amtrak and airlines if a party in bargaining believes it can obtain a better deal from Congress than it could through good faith negotiations and the statutory [the Presidential Emergency Board] process under the Railway Labor Act," said Association of American Railroads President Ian Jefferies in a statement. "This ignores over 100 years of precedent and clearly usurps long-standing bargaining procedures."

A rail strike is likely without congressional action, Biden warned Tuesday morning before meeting with bipartisan House and Senate leaders at the White House to talk about remaining legislative priorities.

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"It's not an easy call. But I think we have to do it," he said before the meeting. "The economy's at risk."

The call from the president comes weeks after the administration encouraged unions and management to come to an agreement on their own at the bargaining table — without congressional interference.

Strike threat in two weeks threatens the supply chain
The earliest workers could strike is Dec. 9, given that four of the 12 unions – including the largest – have rejected the tentative agreement brokered in September by the Biden administration, management and union leaders.

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"For us, the strike effectively starts this weekend," said Corey Rosenbusch, president of the Fertilizer Institute on a call with reporters. "Rail carriers have already notified that ammonia shipments will need to be pulled off of the network starting about five days before, which would be December 4th. So many of the fertilizer companies are already preparing for that reality.

Railroads handle the transportation of 30 to 40% of all goods, but take on the lion's share of products like ethanol, fertilizer and grains. Railroad managers warn that with a strike, there are few other options given ongoing trucking shortages and the risk of backlogging ports.

"I think the important piece to understand here when it comes to the contingency planning question is that there is zero elasticity right now in transportation. We are struggling with drivers, truck drivers and then most recently so much fertilizer also moves by waterways," Rosenbusch said. "So the low water levels that we've been hearing about in the Mississippi River have already curtailed a lot of fertilizer movement by barge that had to shift to rail."

The biggest sticking point: sick leave
The contract negotiated by the administration includes provisions that would increase wages 24% over five years and cap healthcare premiums. But workers have argued that they want fairer treatment, especially in absence policies.

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"They want paid sick leave," Kennedy said. "The same people who work their tails off through the pandemic, risking their health to make sure that Americans got their supplies while many of them work from home and via Zoom. So we're not asking for a lot here now."

But railroad management has pushed back, arguing that sick leave is handled on a railroad-by-railroad basis and each of the 12 separate union contracts includes its own form of paid sick benefits. They also point to the recommendations and tentative agreement crafted by the Presidential Emergency Board, a group put together by Biden earlier this year to intervene in negotiations.

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"The PEB certainly evaluated both sides' proposals and made a recommendation and in its recommendation explicitly rejected union's request for additional traditional paid sick days because of the paradigms that currently exist, but also said that it was adding to the recommended wage increases in lieu of addressing those requests by the unions," Jefferies of the Association of American Railroads said on the call with reporters.

Getting members on board
After the meeting between congressional leaders and the president on Tuesday, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer told reporters he and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell had agreed to get a bill passed in the Senate "ASAP," well before Dec. 9. Asked whether he had the votes, he said, "We're working on it."

At least one Senate Republican said leaders should not count on his vote. In a tweet, Sen. Marco Rubio wrote he won't vote for a deal "that doesn't have the support of rail workers." Others like Democratic Sens. Bernie Sanders of Vermont and John Hickenlooper of Colorado have also said they would vote for a measure that tacks on paid sick leave to the agreement.


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Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Too bad the restaurant and hospitality service industry workers can’t hold the USA economy hostage for better pay and more days off.


Imagine having a contract that after 3 years you would get a pay raise and when those 3 years are up you don't get one.

As a worker you can't negotiate a raise they are given based on how long you work there.
Advancement takes years
They can literally work you to death - they can work you 100+ hours a week for months at a time.

They are fighting for sick time because they really have any time off. If they miss a day while on call (which is basically any day they are off)... they can go 1-2 weeks before they get back into the rotation to be able to work. It is not like a normal job where you call off and you can go back to work the next day.

Of course I can't find the link I read 2 hours ago. But, much of what you posted is incorrect. They get 2-5 weeks of vacation a year. They get 14 days of sick leave. Sure, some are on call - just as with doctors, and nurses, and disaster repair people, etc.

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Originally Posted by archbolddawg
Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Too bad the restaurant and hospitality service industry workers can’t hold the USA economy hostage for better pay and more days off.


Imagine having a contract that after 3 years you would get a pay raise and when those 3 years are up you don't get one.

As a worker you can't negotiate a raise they are given based on how long you work there.
Advancement takes years
They can literally work you to death - they can work you 100+ hours a week for months at a time.

They are fighting for sick time because they really have any time off. If they miss a day while on call (which is basically any day they are off)... they can go 1-2 weeks before they get back into the rotation to be able to work. It is not like a normal job where you call off and you can go back to work the next day.

Of course I can't find the link I read 2 hours ago. But, much of what you posted is incorrect. They get 2-5 weeks of vacation a year. They get 14 days of sick leave. Sure, some are on call - just as with doctors, and nurses, and disaster repair people, etc.



ok... here you go.

https://apnews.com/article/government-and-politics-business-strikes-940da8fc519f8c526ca614e201d01216

Workers have been fighting in these negotiations for ways to improve their quality of life and demanding that railroads ease the strict attendance policies that keep some of them on call 24-7.


Here's an actual job posting from Norfolk Southern:
https://jobs.nscorp.com/go/Conductor/2685600/

What are the work hours after training?
You will work off an extra board. As an extra board employee, you will be on call 24/7. Most call times are 2 hours but at times you may have as little as 90 minutes to report to your designated work location from time of call.

What is an extra board?
An extra board is when a pool of conductors cover vacancies on assigned jobs and extra assignments. The vacancies are unpredictable so you will need to be available to work at any time.

https://jobs.nscorp.com/job/N-Kansas-City-Train-Conductor-Kansas-City%2C-MO-MO-64116/804232900/
A CT will expect to work a schedule similar to that of a regular conductor. As a conductor you will most likely be assigned to a conductors' extra board. Conductor extra boards have schedules with a minimum of two rest days for every six consecutive working days. While not on your rest days, you are subject to be called to work 24 hours a day, on an as-needed basis. Extra board work schedules are irregular and are determined by business needs.

You will be required to report to your work location within a 90-minute to 2-hour notice. regardless of time of day. Reliable transportation is necessary. Further, conductors should expect to routinely spend time away home,1-2 days at a time.


here is their vacation schedule:

https://www.ibew1245.com/Agreements/Mirant_Appendix_B.pdf

Years of Service
Earned Annual Vacation
Number of Vacation days (hours)
Total Maximum
Vacation Allowance *
6 months 5 days (40 hrs.) N/A
1 - 4 years 10 days (80 hrs.) 30 days (240 hrs.)
5 - 9 years 15 days (120 hrs.) 45 days (360 hrs.)
10 - 19 years 20 days (160 hrs.) 60 days (480 hrs.)
20 - 29 years 25 days (200 hrs.) 75 days (600 hrs.)
30 or more years 30 days (240 hrs.) 90 days (720 hrs.)


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Originally Posted by superbowldogg
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So since he announced he is once again running for president you claim he's irrelevant? Sure, sure.....

there is 0 chance that loser gets through the primaries.

That's what I thought in 2016 and in 2020.


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