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Wait, so that means the Bengals have already won the division.

I must have something wrong here, I'm just going to shut up. 🤣

If Ravens beat Bengals and Bengals play and lose to Bills, both end up 11-6. Ravens would win the division based on better division record (4-2 vs 2-4).

QFT lol

I was reversing the division record when going through the tie-breakers. If the Ravens win they would be 4-2 with the Bengals at 2-4... so yes, that would necessitate the resumption of the Bills game to be fair to the teams involved.

LOL Beat me to the punch as well...

Well, Pit will be by shortly to tell you that everyone is wrong and only he can interpret such things.

So, scenario #2 is dead. And so is scenario #1, in essence...

Now that a Bengals win would be necessary, in order to not affect the Raven's division fate, scenario #1 means the Bills would lose the #2 seed to a tie-breaker rather than having the opportunity to play for it.


I can see a team like the Bills agreeing to forgo the Bengals game since the #2 seed no longer means a bye week.

Either way, a KC loss to the Raiders leaves way too much up in the air and resumption of the Bengals vs Bills would be very important to the integrity of the game.

I haven't said a word about it. But that won't keep you from throwing a tantrum I see.

Here is Shefty's take this morning. Sounds like our wishes are not coming true.

The first scenario sounds okay to me, but I don't like the second one because it hurts the hometown fans who might not be able to travel to the neutral site. It does sound like that is what the NFL will decide to do, however.

A few posters taking aim at Pit's take on the Watson trade and suddenly your true heart and soul comes out, instead of having to hide behind all those posts praising others for their posts and overly, cringeworthy 'nice' posts where you praise other's for their football takes and explain your not here to fight and it's everyone else that's mean and nasty. Should we file this post under 'Great football take' or 'not here to fight' ? I'll wait and see how you turn this around so you are the victim here.

I talk more football in a day than you do in a month.

And that somehow seems to be an excuse for all the other BS you post?

If they move to an 8 team playoff for each conference, it will most likely stay like that forever

Bills-Bengals game will not be resumed, per report

By Chet Gresham@ChetGresham Jan 5, 2023, 11:45am PST

The NFL has decided to not replay the Week 17 Monday Night Football game between the Bills and Bengals, per Seung Min Kim. The game was suspended after Bills safety Damar Hamlin suffered a medical emergency on the field and needed to be resuscitated on the field by Medical personnel. Reports on Hamlin’s health have been positive, but he remains in critical condition.

We are still waiting for any moves the NFL will make to try to make this move as fair as possible, but for now we know that the Bills-Bengals game will not count.

With the game not being played, the Bengals and Bills will have one fewer game than the rest of the league, which will impact the AFC North standings and playoff seeding. The biggest change is that now the Bills don’t control whether they get the No. 1 seed. The Chiefs will now be the No. 1 seed if they beat the Raiders on Saturday. A Chiefs win would put the Bills in the No. 2 seed if they beat the Patriots and possibly put them in the No. 3 seed if they lose to the Patriots and the Bengals beat the Ravens. Unfortunately, the tie-breakers for that possibility rely on strength of victory numbers that won’t be known until the Week 18 games are played.

Chiefs clinch a first-round bye and home-field advantage with:
1) KC win
OR 2) KC tie + BUF tie
OR 3)BUF loss

BUF clinches a first-round bye and home-field advantage with:
1) BUF win + KC loss/tie
OR 2) BUF tie + KC loss

The AFC North has now been won by the Cincinnati Bengals. Even if the Ravens beat them this weekend, Baltimore won’t be able to garner a high enoughwinning percentage. The Ravens could still get the No. 5 seed with a win over the Bengals and loss by the Chargers, while the Bengals have a chance at the No. 2 seed with a win and a Patriots win over the Bills.

https://dknation.draftkings.com/202...ek-18-afc-seeding-north-standings-ravens

Just noticed that statement from above as FALSE. The Bengals would get the #2 seed in that scenario. The Bills current strength of victory is .479, that would not change with a loss. The Bengals current SOV is .483... that would improve with a win over the 10-6 Ravens.

I don't like them not playing the game, but it is what it is. I just hope Buffalo doesn't get screwed because they were dealt a tragedy.

I don't like it at all. Too many implications for other teams as well. As much as I hate the Ravens, they shouldn't have to concede the division because of an injury to another team.

After two years of COVID, it was obvious that there is a glaring need for the NFL to insert a bye week after the regular season... either that or be willing to scrap the hype week before the Super Bowl. They are more willing than ever to rearrange games for ratings. First it was just flexing to Sunday night, now it's flexing to other days. Don't want to hear the hogwash about how hard it is to rearrange... there is no playoff 'schedule' until the regular season ends anyway.

I was hoping they would get rid of hte "Hype Week."

We could all get behind that idea. Apparently that type of common sense is frowned upon.

NFL just announced the game is cancelled...

Coin toss could determine location of Bengals-Ravens playoff game

On Friday, the NFL’s owners will resolve various issues related to the unofficially official cancellation of the Bills-Bengals game.

One wrinkle relates to the AFC North championship. The Ravens beat the Bengals earlier this year. If the Ravens complete the sweep on Sunday, the Bengals would still win the division, based on having a higher overall winning percentage.

But there’s a wrinkle aimed at addressing the reality that the Ravens would have swept the Bengals, and that — if Cincinnati had lost to the Bills — the Ravens would have won the division.

The proposal goes like this: “If Baltimore defeats Cincinnati in Week 18 it will have defeated Cincinnati, a divisional opponent, twice but will not be able to host a playoff game because Cincinnati will have a higher winning percentage for a 16-game schedule than Baltimore will for a 17-game schedule. If Baltimore defeats Cincinnati and if those two clubs are schedule to play a Wild Card game against one another, the site for that game would be determined by a coin toss. If Cincinnati wins the Week 18 game or if Baltimore and Cincinnati are not scheduled to play one another in the Wild Card round, the game sites would be determined by the regular scheduling procedures.”

So, basically, the Ravens can secure home-field in a wild-card game against the Bengals by: (1) winning on Sunday; and (2) winning the coin flip. This would apply even though the winning percentage approach would otherwise make the Bengals the division champions.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...location-of-bengals-ravens-playoff-game/

it would suck if the Bills get screwed out of the #1 seed, then face KC in the playoffs in KC, which would have been reversed if they had their chance to take the #1 seed.

It would suck if the Bengals got screwed out of the #I seed then face Buffalo in the playoffs in Buffalo, which would have been reversed if they had their chance to take the #I seed.

Could Buffalo ahem against the Patriots?

Imagine if Tua Tagliavola were healthy, and playing well against the Jets, then
it would not be beyond a no brainer,
that Buffalo could chose to lose against the Patriots in week I8, in order to knock the more difficult to beat Dolphins out of the playoffs
and probably determine their opening round playoff matchup would again be the easier to beat, with their lesser @B, Patriots whom the Bills would have gameplanned against anyway.
They'd also be knocking Pittsburgh out, just basically chosing the patriots as one playoff participants by losing to them.

This is a good enough outcome. No matter what the NFL did there would be problems.

If Cincy and Buffalo had to play a game after the season, then the complaints would be they don't get time off and the rest of the other playoff teams would.

Sometimes things happen where there are no good answers, so you just take it and deal with it.

I agree that there are times when there are no great answers, but I bet that almost everyone who has actually played or coached competitively would rather have the outcomes settled on the field rather than in a boardroom. This smells more like not wanting to give up the revenue of Hype Week and the Pro Bowl than it does actual fairness.

I will take all of that back that it comes out that the Bills and Ravens didn't want to have all the games played. And I say that despite despising the Ravens.

They will always rearrange games for ratings and put profits before the game itself. That's just the way a corporation operates. They will always try to feed you hogwash because they try to keep the fan base convinced they actually put the game first. Just like every corporation tries to convince you what a superior product they have and how they value their consumers and put them first. It's been this way for a very long time now and that isn't going to change.

Learning to accept and understand that doesn't maker it any better. It's just that you grow to expect it and see it coming.

I don't disagree with the premise, but that theory simply doesn't hold water in this case.

Rescheduling this game would, in essence, be creating revenue out of thin air. Then add the fact that this would be the most watched regular season game in NFL history.

I can understand it could be seen that way. There's a yin and yang to this however. It would certainly create revenue for that one game. The question comes when one looks at the other side of it. How much bad will would it generate among the fan base that believes it would be insensitive to revisit this game? That trying to replay this game would be in bad taste?

I'm certainly one who promotes the idea that the game should be played. Especially now that Damar is off the ventilator and doing much better. And it very well could be that since his condition has changed for the better, thank God, they will revisit playing the game. Only time will tell.

Bad will because it would be insensitive to revisit this game? Maybe. I doubt that it would be a very big swath of the NFL fanbase since Damar is on the mend. I really expected them to wait for a definite prognosis before making the call. They actually made it with all signs looking good for recovery, so who knows if that really entered the equation.

I will say one thing that hasn't been mentioned. Maybe the players and player fraternity, union, etc, realize that it's taxing enough to travel week after week and these guys hate added curveballs. Maybe this was sobering enough that even teams like the Ravens (who were directly affected) said to leave it up to the teams involved. Maybe Rog didn't make the decision at all, and left it up to the Bills and Bengals. At the end of the day, these guys are all professionals. If they've made it to "the dance" and have an opportunity to play in the postseason, generally they are truly of the mindset that they will plan, practice and prepare to play whichever team is in front of them. At that point they know it is counterproductive to get caught up in the "what ifs" and "no fairs" and just focus on the next opponent.

I actually think that is the most likely scenario.

It's a good thing this game had no bearing on who might get in to the playoffs. It could have become pretty ugly if postponement kept a team out that could have otherwise been in.

I'm certainly not trying to discount your opinion. I've just found that throughout history that the NFL bases the vast majority of its decisions on the long term financial impact of almost any and all situations. IMO it's hard for me to take this situation any differently given that history. But that's just my own opinion.

j/c...

Full release from NFL concerning 2023 Resolution G-1

Bengals are vocally upset...

"As far as I'm concerned, we just want the rules to be followed," Taylor said, per the Cincinnati Enquirer. "When a game is canceled, you just turn to winning percentage to clarify everything so we don't have to make up rules."

One thing this doesn't address is if the Bengals and Bills meet in the playoffs, that game would be in Buffalo based on record. Seems like it would only be fair to play that game at a neutral site as well.

Define what it means to have a tragedy that cancels a game in the future? Had Myles died or been paralyzed in car wreck woukd the NFL canceled the next pending browns game? What about a Byrd type neck Injury? Does a Theisman injury cause a cancelation? Does an Alex Smith injury cancel games? What if a coach dies on Friday night ? Outside of a,massive multi-player incident like bus or plane accident, the games should go on.

I think football has always been a dangerous sport, and eventually, somebody might die on the field in an NFL game; players dying has happened at other levels, and we've all seen the news when it did. And I'm not saying we should be unconcerned, but we need to understand this has always been and always will be a possibility first.

If people think football is a dangerous job... crab fishing, pilots, oil rigs, mining, roofing, ice road trucking, logging are more dangerous jobs for far less pay.

The other day, Dominique Foxworth, the former NFLPA President and cornerback in the league, was on Get Up and going on and on about how the NFL players are not getting paid enough because of how dangerous the game is. He shifted the attention away from Hamlin and made it about the players getting more money because the game is so dangerous. It is a dangerous game, but immediately I started thinking about other professions such as police officers, who work in an extremely dangerous occupation and get paid peanuts while all sorts of folks harass, demean, and criticize them. Dude is out of touch.

Pittsburgh eliminated from the playoffs with Miami's win but haven't had a losing season in 19 years. Tomlin did a hell of a job going 9-8 with a rookie QB. Meanwhile, our Browns have 2 losing seasons in a row with our 230M QB going 2-4 the final 6 games securing the Browns last place finish in the AFC North. Time for a change in Cleveland.

Agreed. NFL players are payed very, VERY well.

Wrong he went 3-3.