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Stefanski is the worst. Even the announcers were criticizing him.
Sure glad the players got up for him.
Next year is already doomed.
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Some of the worst play calling all season. Pass crazy with sub zero wind chills and 30mph winds against one of the worst run Defenses. Absolutely inexcusable.
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Best thing that happened was losing, the more winnable we games we lose by bad coaching decisions the better the chance we have of gettting rid of the the cancer that is this staff
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
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This was a bad, ugly loss. We suck
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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inexcusable 4th down call.
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Tough smart accountable . Funniest 3 words in the English language as it relates to this team.
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
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If we had nfl average talent at wr and te this was a win. Despite the horrid playcalling
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
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Why would you pay to watch this as they can't execute on offense.
Maybe Dee Haslam, or Jimmy Haslam can explain why they can't average ten points with their offense over 4 games.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Good first half. In the second half our offense couldn't do much at all. Sad.
Regardless, Merry Christmas everybody!
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The Saints passed 15 times. It was almost like they realized that running the ball was the key in sub-zero weather with strong winds. I blame whoever did not tell Stefanski about the weather predictions.
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I have been a supporter of Ski. But that play calling on the 3rd/4th and 2 made me mad. You have Chubb. Give it to Chubb!! He was gashing them.
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inexcusable 4th down call. It was an awful play... Overall pretty disappointing game... felt we should have won... lots of dropped passes... defense played well overall... tough game...
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He is an abysmal play caller. I can’t think of any NFL coach that can’t outcoach him, either with schemes and adjustments or with fiery inspiration. He just doesn’t have it.
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3 points against the Texans I0 against Cincy I3 against Baltimore and I0 against the saints today. Four Games Thirty six points from the offense. NINE point average over 4 games, and this with the hollow superman at @uarterback.
Whomever is responsible for the offense? THIS SUCKS x 2.
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Getting beat by Taysom Hill
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Good first half. .
Regardless, Merry Christmas everybody! They opened with a 3 and out, and punted on the first 3 poss. if not 4. Merry Christmas
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The defense overall, played good enough to win. The offense was another story. To get beat in our own house, in poor weather conditions, by a dome stadium team, is inexcusable. We should have been able to run over these guys....
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Stefanski refuses to play Chubb on 99.9% of 3rd and 4th downs.
If it's not Chaos, it's not Cleveland.
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Cooper drop for a TD, DPJ drop for the game tying TD followed by Njoku drop for the game tying TD.
Watson throwing 31 times in 30mph winds with -15 degree wind chills
Chubb on the bench on 3rd and 4th downs ALL season
Run defense gave up 152 more yards vs gaining 124 yards.
Play calling some of the worst of the season. Outside of the Watson running TD, no designed QB runs.
Absolutely boring Offense that can't score more that 13 points since Watson took over.
If it's not Chaos, it's not Cleveland.
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Next year is already doomed. :sigh sad.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Honestly, did any of us really expect them to win today and make our Christmas a little bit merrier? I didn't and I got just what I expected. Don't let it ruin your holiday like they've ruined so many other days. Merry Christmas to all my fellow Dawgtalkers and Browns fans!!! !!
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Stefanski at his best. Better get used to him and Berry another season because more incompetent organization then this is hard to find these days.
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Myles Garrett for the Saints first and right to Payton?
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He is an abysmal play caller. I can’t think of any NFL coach that can’t outcoach him, either with schemes and adjustments or with fiery inspiration. He just doesn’t have it. I challenge anyone to name 5 head coaches you'd take Stefanski over. Can you come up with even 5 names? Dude just got outcoached by Dennis freaking Allen who brought a severely injured, shorthanded dome team to the elements and Sterfanski still couldn't win...while having so much to play for trying to stay alive in the playoffs. 4th best head coach in his division. Bottom 5 head coach in the NFL. Has gotten worse every year. About 5 games ago, teams started completely ignoring the pass and only playing the run and he is yet to adjust. He is simply one of the worst head coaches since the return considering the talent he has to work with. Get rid of Depo, Berry, and Sterfanski. Hire Payton, let him pick his GM,.and let's go on a 3 to 4 year run. He already has a bona-fide DC lined up in Fangio. This trust in Sterfanski is absolutely deflating as a fan. He had three seasons to show what he's got. He squandered them. Time to move on.
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Stefanski refuses to play Chubb on 99.9% of 3rd and 4th downs. The reality is Chubb isn't a good 3rd down or short yardage back.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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how do we lose to a Dome team from Louisiana in these elements at our house? Answer: Stefanski
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Stefanski refuses to play Chubb on 99.9% of 3rd and 4th downs. The reality is Chubb isn't a good 3rd down or short yardage back. This could not be further from the truth. This is one of those things that got said on here and is now repeated as some type of fact.
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One of the biggest problems with Stefanski is I guarantee you he doesn't believe the 4th and 2 play was a bad play call, just bad execution.
Please, please, please can we move on. I don't want to go into next year with no hope.
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I was always under the assumption that when the weather worsens and you have a good RB/TE combo you should lean on them
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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shoot me into the sun. another year another sadness.
When it gets cold and snows and the wind blows, you gotta be able to run the ball. - TR
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Would have liked to have seen Watson run a bit more like he did the first half
Also I know Stefanski is taking a lot of heat
Two very crucial drops by Amari and the Chief on the last drive that could have had the game tied up
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Haslams. The Haslams.
They have been, arguably, the worst owners in league history. They entrench when they should revamp and they bail when they should support.
I honestly think that depodesta is the problem. Haslams have given this clown the keys with impunity and what has he done?
The “core” of this team that everyone talks about as being so damn good, was built by Dorsey. Aside from baker (and Freddy ) Dorsey was the MAN. Berry had sucked. This team is currently over-paid, under-talented, terribly coached and without draft picks. Your cap situation is going to become unmanageable in the next years. You literally couldn’t be in a worse scenario.
This team is garbage and management has ensured that we will continue to be garbage for the next 4-5 years.
I blame the Haslams. The people they have running this team, from top to bottom, are absolute jokes - in the enduring Cleveland Browns tradition.
Merry chistmas all.
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KS is, for whatever reason, calling the lowest percentage plays for the situation he's in. It's dumbfounding.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
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KS is, for whatever reason, calling the lowest percentage plays for the situation he's in. It's dumbfounding.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
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KS is, for whatever reason, calling the lowest percentage plays for the situation he's in. It's dumbfounding. It's worth pointing out twice. It's happened all year and it's happened in previous years. Some blame the players for failing to execute - others think asking your back up QB to come in and throw a perfect 30 yard pass (previous game) is smart, or like today in unfavorable cold and wind conditions isn't a sign of an elite play caller let alone a Head Coach. .... just ugh.
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The Patriots and the Titans both lost, if the Browns had won today, they'd still be behind the chargers but we could be rooting for the colts, either way, the Browns lost so. The offense couldn't execute.
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I feel like KS always wants to break tendency and go against the grain
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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He's outsmarting himself.
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I feel like KS always wants to break tendency and go against the grain He's smarter than all the other coaches in the NFL.
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Pretty funny how Many Homer's had this game as a automatic Win in the schedule game a few months ago
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