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I didn't bring Baker up. You did. You are trashing Stefanski to defend Baker. Other than your little gang, everyone else on here can see it.

Pot meet kettle.

Clever.

Considering the opposition it doesn't take much.

Uh oh. With some of the things players have said, especially D players, this might be a bad thing.

Has KS lost the team?

j/c

JJ3 responds to fan's critique on Twitter after Saturday's loss





The way the Cleveland Browns played in the second half, fans were understandably upset. Replying to a fan's tweet about his effort in the redzone, S John Johnson III challenged the fan's understanding of the game.

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2022/...ynXxdm-Tb3LWsSqwNibw6FLlYnQ2LdCPA0SLf-xE

I was wondering why he wasn't on the field to start the game.

This team has no leaders.

Uh, hey, John? Does it matter what coverage you were in, or what gap you had? Ball carrier is coming your way. Your effort was not just sad, it was terrible.

100%.

That implies there was effort... that was not effort

Nice try "Stefanski Boy," read the posts - everyone on the board knows you have Mayfield crawling around in your head and cannot defend the poor season HC Stefanski is responsible for again. You realize of course that when you have to take discipline action against the #1 DE in the NFL - you've lost the team. Anyone with a bit of common sense could see that is what's happening on the Browns. Hey, you can keep spewing your hatred for our former QB and using that as a defense for Stefanski's poor head coaching, but the team has gotten worse each year that he's been here and his worse year yet is without the guy you blame for all Stefanski's problems, and his seat is as hot as it can be at this point. 203M QB, #1 offensive line, #1 RB and the best route runner in the NFL (all statements from you) and the Stefanski led offense can only muster 3 offensive TD's in 4 games with 2 of those games against teams with losing records. Not to mention that their 2 wins came against the worst team in the NFL and a team forced to use their backup QB. Just to add to that point, the Browns are 31st in scoring the last 3 games at 11.0 points per game just barely nudging out the NYJets @ 10.7 PPG. Tell me again how wonderful an offensive mind Stefanski is - with a 230M QB to boot!

Dude, I literally quoted you. I never once mentioned Baker on this thread. It's amazing how easy you guys lie.

Here's one from you:
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Replacing Stefanski with Payton is a bigger and smarter move than replacing Mayfield with Watson. Hey Haslam - the fans are watching.................

But, he's moved on. This is all about Baker w/him and guys like 888.

Here's another mention of Baker, from you.

Another quote from you.

Another mention of Baker.

What is your point? That doesn't change the fact that steve introduced Baker into the conversation. He's trashing Stefanski to make Baker look better. You guys say you wanna move on, but you keep introducing him into conversations where no one else is talking about him. Thing is........it's always pro-Baker and that's okay w/hypocrites like you, but dare someone question them and you go into full middle school girl mode.

So, I just quoted 4 of your posts where you mentioned Baker. Yet, you claim you "never once mentioned Baker on this thread." It IS amazing how easy you lie.

No kidding I mentioned Baker. AFTER steve brought him up. Are you saying that one cannot challenge another poster's claim after that poster is the one who introduced him.

To be clear, I was talking about teams turning it around in close games in this thread. I never mentioned Baker until AFTER steve brought it up.

THIS ^

And then I showed you how many times you DID mention Baker.

You lied.

This is the quote that you are using to say that I brought Mayfield into the conversation, REALLY? Are you now saying that the biggest move the Browns have ever made to this point is not the acquisition of Watson? Are you also saying that Payton is not one of the best offensive minds and QB coach the NFL has ever had? If both of these are true, then a normal thinking man would conclude that acquiring a Sean Payton to be the Browns head coach would actually be a bigger and smarter move than their last giant move. So, you must be saying that Payton would not be an upgrade and we would be foolish to pursue him then. There is nothing in this post that generates an agenda - just an opinion on a giant move the Browns would be foolish to skip. Your hatred agenda is what you're trying to use to derail the post - it's clearly evident as it always is.

I’m going to use Baker as an example to illustrate my opinion of the difference between an average and a very good HC.

Sean McVay vs. Kevin Stefanski

They both has/had a decent to good OL, great running options and they both seems to understand Mayfield’s limitations and how to use him to benefit the team in the best possible way.

The difference between them is man managing, how to go with the flow and how to gel everything together.

Baker had many great games with us late 2020 but from the outside it didn’t look sustainable. Against both the Bengals and the Steelers, when we lost against the Ravens and KCC it was just a matter of time before his long 50/50 throws was start to becoming intercepted by smart CBs. Baker looked great in these games but from my perspective it was obvious that Stefanski didn’t had the coaching talent and the experience to elevate the offense to go all the way to a SB.

SMV seems to have much better understanding how to communicate with his players. I’m not only talking about Baker but in general. When to give energy, when to calm things down, how to encourage and most importantly how to go with the flow. Last seasons Super Bowl was a great example. How he used Kupp and OBJ, how he handled his defense and especially how he let Stafford play his game when it matters most. That was great man management.

He seems to do the same to Baker as he did to MS. Encourage him when necessary. Take the opportunity on the fly. Have faith and at the same time calm him down and don’t let him get to over confident. Baker has his limitations but if a HC use him the right way and don’t overplay his arm he‘s quite good if he has a good Oline in front of him.

The Browns has invested $230m in a new QB and we need to give Watson the best possible surrounding so he can play his best game. A HC is sometimes IMO like a jockey on a running horse. Giving instructions is more than words. It’s a gift to know when to put the pedal in the metalor when to just cruise forward smoothly without doing anything.

I see Kevin Stefanski more like a decent organizer and a nice school teacher then an elite HC who want to win at all costs. He’s good at making an initial game plan but after that he seems a little limited. Unsecured when to adjust. Sometimes over his head in his decision making. I don’t see him as a coach who can grab the game by the neck. He’s not directly bad but probably not good enough to elevate Deshaun Watson and his offense to take the Browns to the SB.

Maybe I’m wrong but so far I see no indications that point in an other direction.

I did not lie. I clearly stated how it went down multiple times before that post. You are looking for reasons to fight. Just like your brother.

So it's not a 6-9 record that trashes Stefanski? Just remember, it was you yourself pointing out that the Browns had the #9 rated offense in the NFL with Brissett as the starter. And how did that work out? 4-7.

Oh that's right, it's all about the player needing to perform and Stefanski being a good OC as your reasoning that he's a good HC.

When people like you did nothing but blame the QB last year and then suddenly as you claimed your O is rated in the top 10 and your record doesn't improve, the problem ran deeper than the QB. People can hide from a lot of things but not the W-L record.

Stefanski has lost the team. It's over. He should have sh!tcanned Woods early on this season (after the SECOND players only meeting), relinquished the play calling to the OC and took charge of his team. He didn't, and those players have no respect for him.

I'm not totally sure one way or the other. I thought they seemed focused and well prepared against the Ravens the week prior. Then it all went to hell the second half of the Saints game. My guess would be you're closer to being right than I would like to believe.

I'll answer this with a definite "NO!"

To your other question, the Browns wouldn't know what it'll take to get Payton without reaching out to check on his availability/desire to come to Cleveland. First round picks are golden but so are elite players. If there is an interest in Cleveland by Payton, he would have already done a review of the roster and what he wants to do with it. I don't know which ones, but there are surely players that we might be high on that Payton may not. It's all immaterial though if you're not reaching out to the individual to find out where his head is at for a destination. Haslam should have already been on the phone to Payton at a minimum to find this stuff out. It doesn't matter at this point how we feel about Stefanski pro or con, feeling out Payton would be the smartest move this franchise ever made and should be a given.

We don't know that Haslam hasn't reached out to Payton. If Payton said no do you think Haslam would have said so and allowed that to become public? With no first round picks for the next three years I don't think Payton would find this his most favorable landing spot.

Is this sarcasm or is this what you think? I really can't tell.

This season was lost - I would not have sat DW at any point. I've believed to be a better HC that KS needed to relinquish play calling a long time ago. I have no idea if the players respect KS, I think many might be unhappy to the point they have been vocal, I don't believe that they have lost respect for the HC...

Dead serious.

Ok - well we agree in part. But I have never been ok with the idea of sitting the $1/4 Billion dollar man once he was eligible. 2 year absence, every down and play is beneficial for next year.

Why are you allowing the gang who is always wrong influence your thinking?

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

I never said anything about sitting Watson. We have to play him.

Duh - I read Woods and was thinking Watson. My apologies. Yes - I would have let Woods go. The pattern of his coaching has been present during his time here, and the miscommunication was a breaking point for me and inexcusable.

I've no idea where Payton will end up. I'd love it to be CLE - but I think it's a long shot.

BUT - Denver gave up the farm to land Wilson just like we gave up a lot to get Watson. Given the two rosters and the most important position on the team - QB - I think most potential HC's would choose the CLE situation with Watson in his (hopefully) prime versus DEN with a Wilson that appeared to fall off a cliff while also having lost mush of his "good guy" sheen and reputation. Ultimately I think ownership and organizational structure is more likely to influence a veteran HC like Payton.

Pathological....