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That's the ting about excuses. They either work both ways or neither way.

And I have been critical of Watson's play each and every week in the Recap threads.

And I have given him credit for his gradual improvement yet that doesn't seem to keep you from labeling me a hater and saying I'm a "fabulous baker Boy". I don't like watson the person. That much you would be correct about. But I can and do separate that from his on field performance. And BTW- arch said " DW won't have any excuses". He even put j/c so it was clear it wasn't directed to anyone specific.

And while I did address my comment to you directly, I meant that many people make excuses for watson. I didn't mean to insinuate that it was you specifically. Sorry for any confusion I may have created in that regard.

I have noticed that you saying he is improving and I did not mean to imply otherwise. You are a Fabulous Baker Boy, though........LOL. Hell, it's not even an insult. I also didn't think you were talking to me about excuses. I was just putting that out there.

But you do expect him to return to that same form? At the moment I am in wait and see mode.

Spoke to a good friend this morning who is a HOU fan and watched most of his games - he said he brings some elite things to the table including great sense of the pocket and being able to evade and extend plays at a surreal level ... he also said a lot of Watson's amazing stats came in games where the game was already lost in the first half and it was basically a second half of 'garbage time' facing soft defenses. Just one Houston fan's opinion who says he has watched most of his games pre-Browns.

Hmm, wonder what is up with the RB situation for tomorrow

Yeah as really wished they could use Chubb and Hunt there would had been frequently use there.

Pretty sure that is ..........eh, you aren't worth my time.

Maybe elevated because he is good. and deserves it?

Face it, Hunt is by all accounts on the outs.

I know it isn't popular, but the Chubb train is going to change with Watson at QB. I am not saying he is going anywhere, but with the type of O we will be running with Watson at QB, Chubb isn't the most complementary back.

For all that Chubb is, he isn't a good receiver nor a good 1 cut, hit the hole runner between the tackles.

Again, I am not saying that Kelly is here to replace Chubb, but he might be the guy we use to replace Hunt. Why not give him some love the final 2 games?

I’m curious about the future of our run game too. Our offense has to change around Watson and Chubb certainly isn’t what he’s used to and vice versa

I don't think our offense has to change. It will just become more evolved and open up a little because we won't be hamstrung by a limited qb.

Does anyone else think it's kinda bogus to claim that Watson put his numbers up in garbage time when his team made the playoffs in consecutive years? I get that the 2020 team was horrible and he probably did put up big numbers in some garbage games, but the Texans made the playoffs in 2018 and 2019. That's hardly "garbage time." Sounds like yet another fairy tale from a Baker fan.

I am, too, D4L. Are we looking at a plug & play swap for Chubb? Is it a different back in the same old offensive calls that often leave us behind the chains after the short yardage on a first down call? We run Chubb into the teeth of a stacked box on first down, lone back, for a yard or two. Watson hasn't changed the predictable play selection. I would love a reason to put Van Pelt in just to see. The analytics has to show what is happening as the run game as called has tailed off.
I was in favor of two-backs like Hunt/Chubb or another pair so it isn't as loaded. Ski is setting his bar. He isn't getting enough to carry Woods, whose unit has improved recently. Still some dopey things happening that should not be excused. My point is that Watson won't walk on water, and Ski seems to guarantee more of the same because his philosophy of football hasn't shown much improvement in our record. We need to challenge some fictions after this season's fiasco was allowed. We drowned in our kool-aid, buying our hype, winning on paper. We do not control everything we could, so we don't control our future (we die in December). We are giving way too many passes for way too many mistakes, way too often. We can't expect it all to be made better with a different QB doing the same stuff. Demand some performance imperatives of your primary coaches. A few "Thou shalt"s may have won some games early on. It wasn't the Ten Suggestions after all. We keep stacking losses up to losing seasons that seem to be deja vu all over again. Kill this learning curve we seem to allow. I think the turnaround starts with coaching parameters, like Camp Cupcake. We aren't going to the playoffs again, but wow, we are well rested! Watson's upside will be realized and help others around him. The weakest link is leadership going into the offseason. .02

I'd love to see Watson play a complete game with 275-300 yards and 2-3 TD's and no 0-1 INTS or fumbles (he did that a 3-4 times year too) with an RTG +- 100

Kinda? The whole "garbage time" argument is usually complete b.s. Unless you saw it with your own eyes, in a specific game, it's nothing more than a weak narrative. People see a team with a crappy record and go straight to "garbage time" when describing the QB's season performance.

Sooo... I went back and took a quick peek at his 2020 season (4-12). Most of the losses were actually close games or complete beatdowns. Only two games even qualify IMO. So, even in a season that it seems fairly safe to assume there was plenty of garbage time -- there wasn't.

I've calculated all of Watson's GT stats for 2020...

185yds / 2TD

Subtract that from his total (4823 / 33 / 7) and call it a day.

I hope Dw shows some progress today. that in itself will make a lot of us feel better. A win wouldn't hurt either!!

He has shown progress in every game since he returned except the last game and in those weather conditions, especially the wind, nobody could have expected him to do well. The playcalling didn't help him either. Calling 12 to 20 yard pass plays in those conditions wasn't the smartest move on the planet. Short outlet passes, some designed runs for watson and RPO's would have certainly been some better options.

Let's hope we see the progress that we saw before last week continue.

I agree Pit. Too bad our receivers couldn't have caught those couple of dropped passes. DW's stats would have looked a little better. It was a tough day for a passing game no doubt.

And that's the thing about dropped passes. If WR's, TE's and RB's didn't drop passes every NFL QB's stats would look a little better.

Yesterday seemed to be the tale of two halves. A crap first half followed by an excellent second half.

Only in your twisted, agenda driven world would a post that talks about the elite things Watson does, referring to a conversation someone had with a friend, and try to manipulate that into an insult and bring Baker into it.