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I feel bad for Woods.

After seeing this, I say there is a 70% chance Woods is back next year.

I do too, but he still needs to go.

The annoying thing is that our defense has ended the year very well the past few seasons, but it’s just that we start out so poorly that it’s too late

We did not start off poorly last year. That is a fallacy. Again, we gave up 6 points in game 3 and 7 points in game 4. We were 3 and 1 after 4 games. I might have the 6 and 7 point order wrong, but those were the points allowed in those two games. Don't want to be labeled as a liar again. LOL

I wonder what our 3rd down efficiency looks like. Seemed like we struggled getting off the field at times this year in critical situations.

I was going to bring this up but have been too busy to check the actual stats.

To my eyes, our biggest problem this year... on both sides of the ball is getting off and staying on the field. Ongoing, game after game, never do the stars seem to align to the point of both things becoming positives in the same game.

I will look later, but I believe our 3rd down efficiency was poor on defense and decent on offense, especially before Watson got back. I could be wrong, though.

That sounds about right. I think I'm staring down the barrel of the last few games as far as my offensive frustration.

We were 20th on offense at 37.9% on 3rd down efficiency. We are at 38.1% in our last three games.

We are actually 10th on defense at 38.0%. We are higher at in our last 3 games at 44.19%, which makes sense since we gave up a bunch of them at the end of the first half against Washington.

We are 9th overall on offense for converting 4th downs at 55.0%.

We are tied w/the Eagles for the most 4th down conversions w/22 successful attempts.

I was actually wrong.....LOL

I find this very odd. There are certain posters that claim that Woods defense was better than most people thought it was in 2021. That would seem to indicate that the total collapse of this defense during the first half of this season is even worse than people seem to be indicating. Actually I tend to agree with that.

I don't think it's a bad thing to feel sorry for him on a personal level. But on a professional level there is no reason what so ever.

I have no idea what that has to do with my post.

Last year, by game, we allowed:

33
21
6 (this was the hapless Bears, who went 3-13, scoring only 18.3 per game)
7
47
37
14
15
16
45
10
16
22
16
24
26
16

People fan make of the numbers what they will.

Thanks, but if you are going to clarify the Bears, why not mention KC and LAC?

Once again, it did NOT take half the season before we played some good defense.

I would say that we were up and down a lot last year. IMHO, of course.

Here is how I feel about our D. Woods has a history of starting slow, and I think that is an issue. Maybe our biggest. We need to upgrade the situation, but not sure Woods needs to go. It would be better, IMHO, to get Ski more involved on the D side, and maybe bring in an assistant DC capable of taking the reins to light a fire under Woods early. I don't know what is best, but it needs to be addressed. Also, the run D needs an overhaul.

Buh-bye.

This started, played out, and ended just about the way I thought it would. Smart? Maybe. Tough? Nope. Accountable? You just read it...

Let's start purging all the "me" guys... especially the ones that are only available when they see fit to bless us with their presence.

This is a culture hit piece. Culture starts at the top and trickles down to the players. The Browns don't have any culture setters. They are a team devoid of leadership starting with Haslam to Depo to Berry to Stefanski to the players.

There is no light at the end of this tunnel because most of those people will still be here.

To me he is basically saying it’s Woods or me. I say no to both. Choosing to only play on third downs is pathetic.

The culture has been and continues to be a problem under the Haslam ownership. Add this to the laundry list of further evidence. It's always something.

To add to my own post... this is an opportunity to send a message that speaking out like this publicly has consequences.

Demonstrate leadership and make Clowney inactive for the final game. Nobody should be bigger than the team and he should not be rewarded with playing time.

You're not happy with the situation? Keep it in house and discuss during the end of season exit interview.

The defense is average and could use some DT’s that push the pocket and linebackers with speed and size.

Here's how the Browns have done in 2022 vs 2021. If you look at the various categories, there is minimal change from 2021 to 2022. I've highlighted the areas of regression from 2021 to 2022.

Browns Defense 2021 vs 2022 w/ranking
Yards per game: 2021: 5th @ 311.5 yds per game - 2022: 11th @ 331.1 yds per game
Rushing yds per game: 2021: 12th @ 109.2 yds per game - 2022: 25th @ 134.4 yds per game
Rushing yds per attempt: 2021: 10th @ 4.2 yds per attempt - 2022: 25th @ 4.8 yds per attempt
Passing yds per game: 2021: 5th @ 202.3 yds per game - 2022: 7th @ 196.7 yds per game
QBR: 2021: 13th @ 89.4 - 2022: 10th @ 85.5
Sacks: 2021: 10th @ 43 - 2022: 24th at 33
3rd Down Pct: 2021: 13th @ 39.3% - 2022: 10th @ 38.0%
Points per game: 2021: 13th @ 21.8 points per game - 2022: 19th @ 22.1 points per game

Browns Offense 2021 vs 2022 w/ranking
Yards per game: 2021: 18th @ 340.6 yds per game - 2022: 14th @ 351.7 yds per game
Rushing yds per game: 2021: 4th @ 145.4 yds per game - 2022: 6th @ 147.2 yds per game
Rushing yds per attempt: 2021: 2nd @ 5.1 yds per attempt - 2022: 12th @ 4.6 yds per attempt
Passing yds per game: 2021: 27th @ 195.3 yds per game - 2022: 22nd @ 204.4 yds per game
QBR: 2021: 26th @ 84.6 - 2022: 22nd @ 84.9
Sacks: 2021: 27th @ 49 - 2022: 15th @ 37
3rd Down Pct: 2021: 17th @ 39.2% - 2022: 20th @ 37.9%
Points per game: 2021: 20th @ 20.5 points per game - 2022: 16th @ 21.7 points per gam

To answer the question, the Browns are actually better in 2022 than 2021 in defensive 3rd down efficiency and worse in 2022 than 2021 in offensive 3rd down efficiency.

I do as well. He had the look of a dead man walking.

That said, most times you make the bed you sleep in. Either through a poor scheme or the ability to bring the scheme together, it is what it is, and I do understand that sometimes it is the players inability that can sink a coach.

I don't see any way the team, or the Haslams are going to be good if some people think it is a good idea to go with Joe Woods for another season to see how things work out. We can't keep going through seasons where it takes the team 6-7 games before the D starts to gel.

Stefanski is going to have to make that change, and if he doesn't agree, he is going to have to walk that plank along with Woods.

The other elephant in the room is the reports that Stefanski has to have post game meetings and pregame meetings for approval of game plans with Depo, Berry and Haslam. If true, it hasn't been reputed, then what quality of DC can the Browns get knowing their game plans will be challenged every week by the analytics team? It certainly appears the Browns have a puppet HC, finding a quality DC that must agree to being a part of a puppet management structure also will be difficult to find. IMHO, the question is and has been, who's in charge of deciding what the team is running offensively and defensively on a weekly basis? With the factual continued regression of the team over the last 3-years, what DC will want to come to the Browns if their decision-making process has to have approval from the analytics team? Candidly speaking, it hasn't exactly paid very good dividends the last 3-years with a Super Bowl contending team having never finished higher than 3rd placer in the AFC North under Stefanski.

It's also a cap hit because of the structure Berry put in place. Clowney might be gone starting next year but he's on the books as a cap hit for the next 4-years.

Year________Salary________Prorated Bonus__________Dead Money
2023________Void_________$1,600,000_____________$6,400,000
2024________Void_________$1,600,000_____________$4,800,000
2025________Void_________$1,600,000_____________$3,200,000
2026________Void_________$1,600,000_____________$1,600,000

That is your op-ed. I don't know how much others have to approve the gameplans.

Lot's of things can be reported. Some are true, some are false, and IMO most are somewhat true and blown far out of context.

You and others sound a bit crazed and think Depo is somewhat like the Wizard of Oz standing behind some curtain pulling levers and pushing buttons.

Is analytics used to help form the gameplan? I hope so. Does Depo have to give his stamp of approval? That's hogwash.

I actually posted the offensive and defensive efficiency numbers for this year in the post that followed the one you quoted. This is not to argue, but you can take a look if you want.

I definitely agree w/that.

Clowney has always been a selfish and unmotivated player. I saw it close-up when he played for the Gamecocks here in Columbia, SC. He had a rep of not wanting to practice, taking himself off the field, sitting out, etc. That has continued in the NFL. He was/is an incredibly talented physical specimen. He has never been dependable and has bounced around the league. When he came here, he talked of playing on a team w/a winning record and then didn't even know if his last team--the Titans--had a winning record or not. He's an overpaid mercenary at this point in time.

Now, he's complaining about Myles being put in desirable situations? LMAO........maybe because it's that Myles is more of a warrior, is more dependable, plays harder, and produces more. You chose to not give your best to the game. Deal w/it.

I did not want the guy back before he made these comments, so I'm glad he punched his ticket out of town. He's not dependable.

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Good.