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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
I have never seen you say one positive thing about the Browns. McKinnon is a 3rd down back. He is NOT their starter. Mixon and Chubb are similar backs. Things are not nearly as gloomy as you portray them. I'll bet you that Chubb is our RB #1 next year. Let me know.
Of course Chubb will be the 1# RB next year. Chubb and Mixon are not similar RBs.
Chubb breaks more tackles. Chubb has a better ypc.
Even their physical body stature isn't the same. Chubb is thicker
Mixon is a better pass catcher than Chubb.
Look sir this team has had 2 playoff appearances since 1999.
I'm not going to be positive for the sake of being positive
I don't think Andrew Berry is capable of turning this around
I think the HC is and GM know if they don't make the playoffs
This year they are out the door.
Schwartz won the fans over at his news conference
Now let's see results
It's a bottom line business. Your either a playoff team or not.
This team has all this so called talent I've heard rehashed over
And over. Talent is only part of the equation
Where's the preparation and accountability at?

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Chubb and Mixon are both big, physical backs who have good speed. Mixon is targeted more in the passing game than Chubb, but then again, we have had Hunt who is a good receiving back. Mixon sucks in pass pro. In fact, w/the Bengals having 3 o-lineman out, there has been talk that Mixon's reps might be limited on passing downs.

I'm not asking you to be positive. Objectivity would be nice, though. Not every single thing is as dark as you make it. You choose your opinion, but that doesn't mean we all have to agree w/it and walk around miserable all the time.

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There are 2 inches difference in their height and 7 pounds difference in their weight. Both are physical backs. The main difference between the two is Mixon has only averaged 3.9 ypc and 814 rushing yards this season.


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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Chubb and Mixon are both big, physical backs who have good speed. Mixon is targeted more in the passing game than Chubb, but then again, we have had Hunt who is a good receiving back. Mixon sucks in pass pro. In fact, w/the Bengals having 3 o-lineman out, there has been talk that Mixon's reps might be limited on passing downs.

I'm not asking you to be positive. Objectivity would be nice, though. Not every single thing is as dark as you make it. You choose your opinion, but that doesn't mean we all have to agree w/it and walk around miserable all the time.
Your right can't argue with that

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I know...i just typed in shotgun.. either way, i don't think it benefits chubb.


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Chubb's running style fits any offensive running strategy ... he simply produces, regardless of how the Browns have used him.

Chubb's instinctive running style is rare and some might not realize just how special he is.


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I'm sure Chubb will have no problem if he is asked to catch a few passes too.

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Originally Posted by Homewood Dog
I'm sure Chubb will have no problem if he is asked to catch a few passes too.
The playoff win in Pittsburgh called by Alex van COUGH COUGH, called by Alex Van Pelt, ahem, Chubb had only ten yards difference running and catching, near eighty and seventy each recollecting hazy. cough called by Alex Van Pelt.


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"TRADE HIM!"



How much gas do y'all think Chubb has in the tank? How many more highly productive seasons does Chubb have in him? I think he will be playing at this level for another 3 years or so. Much more than that at this level would surprise the hell out of me. Of course he will be solid after that, but not elite.

One more year.

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More than 1 year - he's been spelled extensively through his career - if he continues at 22-24 touches a game I can see him being elite for another 3 years. Maybe a little drop off? But still a top 5-6-7 back in the NFL.


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More than 1 year - he's been spelled extensively through his career - if he continues at 22-24 touches a game I can see him being elite for another 3 years. Maybe a little drop off? But still a top 5-6-7 back in the NFL.
Yeah we have really managed his usage which should pay offf


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4-5 Years. JB played for 9 and had enough.


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Originally Posted by mgh888
More than 1 year - he's been spelled extensively through his career - if he continues at 22-24 touches a game I can see him being elite for another 3 years. Maybe a little drop off? But still a top 5-6-7 back in the NFL.

And that's something people either don't know or fail to recognize. Often it's more about the total number of attempts that a RB has than how long he has played. What breaks a RB down more than anything else is the cumulative impact that punishment takes on the body. That impact is accumulated by the number of attempts more than time.


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j/c:

Chubb's future here is all about the contract.

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Chubb's future here is all about the contract.

I think that's true with almost all players with very few exceptions. And of course unless their contract is fully guaranteed. That's why my comments were based more about how long he could be a productive RB and not how long he would be on the Browns roster. As I think we would both agree those are two separate issues.


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And that is definitely sound reasoning and you can easily be right. I agree with the carries, it's one reason why I would never say he needs more carries after games this year and last year.

He has great work ethic, a great line and offense for him. I just expect one more great year from him and then his speed will start to decline. That will be the biggest hit, as with most backs.

He will still be productive, he will still have his flashes of the player we've known through the years. I just see his career after this one to go the A. Peterson route, effective, have some solid games, but you will rarely see him take over games. I really believe he will really trail off when/if he moves on from our team.

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I think Chubb will still be productive for multiple years, but I don't think we will pay him $16.2 million in 2024.

Now, we will pay him $14.85 million in 2023. The difference is the Dead Cap money. It's $10,860,000 in 2023 and drops to only $4 million in 2024.

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i definitely agree about the contract situation in the future. There is no way (well we better not be, lol) we are paying him money like that for a 1-2 year extension after next year.

In reality, I think we are all about the same mindset on what he will bring in the next few years. I think "highly productive" can be a very generalized term that can mean so many things.

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Just one point regarding this coming year some of the big names turning 28 or older:

Derrick Henry will be 30 in Jan 2024
Aaron Jones will be 29 in Dec 2023
Dalvin Cook - 28 in aug 2023
Alvin Kamara - 28 in Jul 2023
Nick Chubb - 28 in Dec 2023
Zeke - 28 in Jul 2023

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bone...I guess the analytics guys have to have something to do as the season winds down. Might make some feel good about Stefanski's performance during the 2022 season...but IT WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH..!


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