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But here is one angle that may allow the Browns to help avoid some of that guaranteed money which would handicap future salary cap issues.....



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And still applies as far as I know.


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Spending all that cash helped last season's cap room. Last year's numbers don't do a whole lot to show us how that spent cash shows up on this year's cap room.

If Haslam is again willing to spend a lot of cash up front, it can help us to fit in bigger contracts this season. It can also help sway players as they'd start making interest on more money sooner and they could also invest that money outside of financial instruments.


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Right. But having an owner willing to spend cash in big bonuses doesn't give Berry a lot of flexibility w/the salary cap. LOL......smh

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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Right. But having an owner willing to spend cash in big bonuses doesn't give Berry a lot of flexibility w/the salary cap.


Finally a note of sanity.


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Right. Haslam's willingness to spend cash does indeed help Berry w/the salary cap. It's pretty obvious that the guy really does "prioritize winning."

It doesn't guarantee we win, but it's nice having an owner who is willing to do all he can financially to help the team win.

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Now restructure Garrett!

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And they will restructure again next year.


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It was expected that Watson would be restructured by everyone. The clearing of 36M in cap space isn't really totally correct because the Browns were 14M in the hole. We don't have all the specifics yet, but the cap space created to sign FA's should be about 19M - not the 36M listed give or take.


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Originally Posted by steve0255
The clearing of 36M in cap space isn't really totally correct because the Browns were 14M in the hole. We don't have all the specifics yet, but the cap space created to sign FA's should be about 19M - not the 36M listed give or take.

I think the vast majority of people here understand that.


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And they will restructure again next year.

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Going in for some simple surgery tomorrow...Unfortunately my heart is so weak that we had to cancel the procedure to be done in an out patient environment. But due to heart they had to reschedule the procedure at a hospital. The big fear is that I might not wake up from the anesthesia the surgery itself is not a difficult procedure - mostly laser. My point is I come to this board for some pleasure in reading FOOTBALL primarily about my Browns. Only to read like 6 posts about My penis being bigger than yours. I'm tired of that - show some discipline and swallow the hatred you have for each other and post football. Outside all the immature bantering there actually is some good points that was discussed.

I miss football posts. Btw in the process I have done about our Watson trade being one of the worst for the franchise. Plenty of QBs available if our Mayfield busted out. but not discussed is that we had the best cap situations and spending ability TOP 5 - we could have made a shot at Ramsey for our Defense. So far that would be Jordan Davis and a talent like Ramsey for our Defense and a lot more after FA begins.
We will see if Watson becomes a leader who is relaxed into a system making reads Brisset was able to a great job in his reads - doesn't come close to the talent that Watson has. But I have yet seen the ability to execute our system - I know he has the TALENT but does he have that QB ability mentally. My big problems still remains with character. No remorse, no apology to the women who were VICTIMS. I don't have daughters but I have 2 Daughter in laws who hate my favorite team because of Watson. I saw a QB who would take off scrambling way too soon I do not know if that is rust or just the product we have at the helm. I want a QB who can move around in the pocket and on occasion put the ball down and take off. Not every play. Apologies for wandering off from the thread but it is centered on our Salary Cap as being a variable in the review of our trade. We went from big pockets to Cap Hell.

Take care if you do not hear from me later this week that means I didn't wake up. I'm not afraid but it seems all the doctors are. Insurance loves it cause I keep surviving now I might not and they will save $$$. Later guys and gals....love you and may God bless you all!


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Originally Posted by eotab
Going in for some simple surgery tomorrow...Unfortunately my heart is so weak that we had to cancel the procedure to be done in an out patient environment. But due to heart they had to reschedule the procedure at a hospital. The big fear is that I might not wake up from the anesthesia the surgery itself is not a difficult procedure - mostly laser. My point is I come to this board for some pleasure in reading FOOTBALL primarily about my Browns. Only to read like 6 posts about My penis being bigger than yours. I'm tired of that - show some discipline and swallow the hatred you have for each other and post football. Outside all the immature bantering there actually is some good points that was discussed.

I miss football posts. Btw in the process I have done about our Watson trade being one of the worst for the franchise. Plenty of QBs available if our Mayfield busted out. but not discussed is that we had the best cap situations and spending ability TOP 5 - we could have made a shot at Ramsey for our Defense. So far that would be Jordan Davis and a talent like Ramsey for our Defense and a lot more after FA begins.
We will see if Watson becomes a leader who is relaxed into a system making reads Brisset was able to a great job in his reads - doesn't come close to the talent that Watson has. But I have yet seen the ability to execute our system - I know he has the TALENT but does he have that QB ability mentally. My big problems still remains with character. No remorse, no apology to the women who were VICTIMS. I don't have daughters but I have 2 Daughter in laws who hate my favorite team because of Watson. I saw a QB who would take off scrambling way too soon I do not know if that is rust or just the product we have at the helm. I want a QB who can move around in the pocket and on occasion put the ball down and take off. Not every play. Apologies for wandering off from the thread but it is centered on our Salary Cap as being a variable in the review of our trade. We went from big pockets to Cap Hell.

Take care if you do not hear from me later this week that means I didn't wake up. I'm not afraid but it seems all the doctors are. Insurance loves it cause I keep surviving now I might not and they will save $$$. Later guys and gals....love you and may God bless you all!
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Many of us knew all this talk about salary cap hell was manufactured. There are a plethora of ways to manage the cap. Berry will be up to the task.

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I fully expect to hear from you soon after surgery.

We need you this year. So get it done and get back soon.

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Originally Posted by eotab
Going in for some simple surgery tomorrow...Unfortunately my heart is so weak that we had to cancel the procedure to be done in an out patient environment. But due to heart they had to reschedule the procedure at a hospital. The big fear is that I might not wake up from the anesthesia the surgery itself is not a difficult procedure - mostly laser. My point is I come to this board for some pleasure in reading FOOTBALL primarily about my Browns. Only to read like 6 posts about My penis being bigger than yours. I'm tired of that - show some discipline and swallow the hatred you have for each other and post football. Outside all the immature bantering there actually is some good points that was discussed.

I miss football posts. Btw in the process I have done about our Watson trade being one of the worst for the franchise. Plenty of QBs available if our Mayfield busted out. but not discussed is that we had the best cap situations and spending ability TOP 5 - we could have made a shot at Ramsey for our Defense. So far that would be Jordan Davis and a talent like Ramsey for our Defense and a lot more after FA begins.
We will see if Watson becomes a leader who is relaxed into a system making reads Brisset was able to a great job in his reads - doesn't come close to the talent that Watson has. But I have yet seen the ability to execute our system - I know he has the TALENT but does he have that QB ability mentally. My big problems still remains with character. No remorse, no apology to the women who were VICTIMS. I don't have daughters but I have 2 Daughter in laws who hate my favorite team because of Watson. I saw a QB who would take off scrambling way too soon I do not know if that is rust or just the product we have at the helm. I want a QB who can move around in the pocket and on occasion put the ball down and take off. Not every play. Apologies for wandering off from the thread but it is centered on our Salary Cap as being a variable in the review of our trade. We went from big pockets to Cap Hell.

Take care if you do not hear from me later this week that means I didn't wake up. I'm not afraid but it seems all the doctors are. Insurance loves it cause I keep surviving now I might not and they will save $$$. Later guys and gals....love you and may God bless you all!

Prayers and well wishes Eotab.

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tab, nothing but positive thoughts for you, brother. Looking forward to seeing new posts from you for a long, long time.


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tab, stay positive buddy. It's not your time yet and I fully expect to see you back here spreading your much needed knowledge. Prays are headed your way and I hope you're around long enough to finally see a consistent winner. I'll spend my next couple of days praying for your speedy recovery.


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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Many of us knew all this talk about salary cap hell was manufactured. There are a plethora of ways to manage the cap. Berry will be up to the task.

It wasn't manufactured unless you couldn't see how much his cap hit will be in upcoming years. You hate the term kicking the can down the road but in those future cap numbers it shows that is exactly what the Browns did. That's what was predicted they would do and it's exactly what they did do. Trying to claim otherwise is what is being manufactured here.


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I'll be praying for you tab.


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Best of luck to you EO. I'll be praying for you. Your story brings back bad memories with my wife. Her heart got so weak they couldn't put her under for a procedure to remove some toomers. Very difficult to deal with.

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All the very best Tab - we all look forward to hearing from you very soon.


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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Many of us knew all this talk about salary cap hell was manufactured. There are a plethora of ways to manage the cap. Berry will be up to the task.

So I read a post like this and I think to myself that the opinion being presented is that the Salary Cap is not a big factor, in fact it's hardly a factor at all and can easily be manipulated in lots of ways. Is there another way to read that post?

Meanwhile my question is - did that $36 Million disappear? Or does it need to be accounted for somewhere/somewhen? And if the NFL salary Cap seems to grow at (about) 7% - 8% a year, haven't we just moved a bubble larger than the normal annual increase from this year to a future year(s).


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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
Many of us knew all this talk about salary cap hell was manufactured. There are a plethora of ways to manage the cap. Berry will be up to the task.

So I read a post like this and I think to myself that the opinion being presented is that the Salary Cap is not a big factor, in fact it's hardly a factor at all and can easily be manipulated in lots of ways. Is there another way to read that post?

Meanwhile my question is - did that $36 Million disappear? Or does it need to be accounted for somewhere/somewhen? And if the NFL salary Cap seems to grow at (about) 7% - 8% a year, haven't we just moved a bubble larger than the normal annual increase from this year to a future year(s).

All bills must eventually get paid. Teams that feel they have a window extend players and push the payment date down the road. Once window has closed then teams will then pay the piper and take the salary cap hit. Bottom line is if you don't want to take the hit now extend and pay later. If you feel the team is not going to win now pay and take the hit, then. The other hope is when you extend and pay later the hope is that the salary cap gets bumped up and the hit is smaller than in the future. Bottom line is just like a credit card the bill eventually comes due it is just teams' kind of decide when that happens. That is why cap hell is kind of a farce because teams can manipulate and control when they get hit and when they want to take the hit.


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I think most of us understand how teams manipulate the cap. It's just a few Baker Mayfield fans that are trying to make this a bigger deal than it is.

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Originally Posted by eotab
Going in for some simple surgery tomorrow...Unfortunately my heart is so weak that we had to cancel the procedure to be done in an out patient environment. But due to heart they had to reschedule the procedure at a hospital. The big fear is that I might not wake up from the anesthesia the surgery itself is not a difficult procedure - mostly laser. My point is I come to this board for some pleasure in reading FOOTBALL primarily about my Browns. Only to read like 6 posts about My penis being bigger than yours. I'm tired of that - show some discipline and swallow the hatred you have for each other and post football. Outside all the immature bantering there actually is some good points that was discussed.

I miss football posts. Btw in the process I have done about our Watson trade being one of the worst for the franchise. Plenty of QBs available if our Mayfield busted out. but not discussed is that we had the best cap situations and spending ability TOP 5 - we could have made a shot at Ramsey for our Defense. So far that would be Jordan Davis and a talent like Ramsey for our Defense and a lot more after FA begins.
We will see if Watson becomes a leader who is relaxed into a system making reads Brisset was able to a great job in his reads - doesn't come close to the talent that Watson has. But I have yet seen the ability to execute our system - I know he has the TALENT but does he have that QB ability mentally. My big problems still remains with character. No remorse, no apology to the women who were VICTIMS. I don't have daughters but I have 2 Daughter in laws who hate my favorite team because of Watson. I saw a QB who would take off scrambling way too soon I do not know if that is rust or just the product we have at the helm. I want a QB who can move around in the pocket and on occasion put the ball down and take off. Not every play. Apologies for wandering off from the thread but it is centered on our Salary Cap as being a variable in the review of our trade. We went from big pockets to Cap Hell.

Take care if you do not hear from me later this week that means I didn't wake up. I'm not afraid but it seems all the doctors are. Insurance loves it cause I keep surviving now I might not and they will save $$$. Later guys and gals....love you and may God bless you all!

Good Luck EO. Hope to see you soon. Will keep you in my thoughts.


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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
I think most of us understand how teams manipulate the cap. It's just a few Baker Mayfield fans that are trying to make this a bigger deal than it is.

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Yeah, all of these NFL teams being forced to make cuts in order to get under and create cap space are all Baker fans. Sometimes I don't even think you hear yourself. And if you do, I don't think you believe yourself.


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Originally Posted by eotab
Going in for some simple surgery tomorrow...Unfortunately my heart is so weak that we had to cancel the procedure to be done in an out patient environment. But due to heart they had to reschedule the procedure at a hospital. The big fear is that I might not wake up from the anesthesia the surgery itself is not a difficult procedure - mostly laser. My point is I come to this board for some pleasure in reading FOOTBALL primarily about my Browns. Only to read like 6 posts about My penis being bigger than yours. I'm tired of that - show some discipline and swallow the hatred you have for each other and post football. Outside all the immature bantering there actually is some good points that was discussed.

I miss football posts. Btw in the process I have done about our Watson trade being one of the worst for the franchise. Plenty of QBs available if our Mayfield busted out. but not discussed is that we had the best cap situations and spending ability TOP 5 - we could have made a shot at Ramsey for our Defense. So far that would be Jordan Davis and a talent like Ramsey for our Defense and a lot more after FA begins.
We will see if Watson becomes a leader who is relaxed into a system making reads Brisset was able to a great job in his reads - doesn't come close to the talent that Watson has. But I have yet seen the ability to execute our system - I know he has the TALENT but does he have that QB ability mentally. My big problems still remains with character. No remorse, no apology to the women who were VICTIMS. I don't have daughters but I have 2 Daughter in laws who hate my favorite team because of Watson. I saw a QB who would take off scrambling way too soon I do not know if that is rust or just the product we have at the helm. I want a QB who can move around in the pocket and on occasion put the ball down and take off. Not every play. Apologies for wandering off from the thread but it is centered on our Salary Cap as being a variable in the review of our trade. We went from big pockets to Cap Hell.

Take care if you do not hear from me later this week that means I didn't wake up. I'm not afraid but it seems all the doctors are. Insurance loves it cause I keep surviving now I might not and they will save $$$. Later guys and gals....love you and may God bless you all!
May god extend a helping hand in your recovery and good luck in your
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You got this, Eo. We are all with you bro'....


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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
I think most of us understand how teams manipulate the cap. It's just a few Baker Mayfield fans that are trying to make this a bigger deal than it is.

Yeah, it's all on me. You still can't keep bakers name out of your mouth and then claim it wasn't you who started it. People can see.


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