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Thought I'd start a thread for probable later round guys that people find intriguing.

I don't know if he'll work out, but Deuce Vaughn from Kansas State is just so fun to watch. The 5'5" is a tough sell, but his low center of gravity and good balance let him make defenders look silly all the time. Could he be what Felton was supposed to be? Would his "getting lost" by defenders behind the OL be an advantage?

Just came across Derek Parish from Houston. He's a DL/LB/FB, basically just a do-it-all football player. Mainly have watched him at DE. He's a bit undersized on the edge and missed most of last season with a biceps injury, but his game against Texas Tech was pretty epic. 11 tackles, 6.5 TFLs, 4.5 sacks, and a forced fumble. Could be a core special teamer, while providing pass rush depth, and saving a spot on not needing a FB-only guy.



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Sounds like he’ll be a Patriot haha. I always am intrigued by those types too


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When these types of stories surface.

Kinda blows my mind.

Seems like every year during the draft process some guy does something (face mask bong), failed drug test etc.

I am like what is wrong here? You get a scholarship. You go to college to play football with the hope of being drafted. Getting the opportunity to make generational money.

And you go to a pro day out of shape? Fail a drug test? Get arrested? Whatever.

People would die for that kind of chance.

I really do NOt get it.

I was told "you can always control two things; your attitude and your effort."



Players who make these types of decisions. I would not draft them.

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Seems like there are plenty of Taco Bells around and no real reason to "race" to get to one.


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Originally Posted by FATE
Seems like there are plenty of Taco Bells around and no real reason to "race" to get to one.

Maybe they were racing because they just left a Taco Bell?


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LOL guys.

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Creed Humphrey, he plays center for the Cheifs, he was drafted last year.
It takes about 3 seconds to look at the eyeball test to look and go,
uh oh, we may have something special here, he could be the best to see in years, a rare occasion,


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A late round pick in this draft that I really like is Mohammed Ibrahim RB from Minnesota. Smaller back that plays tough. Has good vision and ability to cut really well. Lacks explosive speed to run away from defenders is his biggest drawback. Had 37 collegiate touchdowns playing in the Big Ten. He could be a really good compliment runner to a lead back like Chubb.


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He will still go in the top 10 of the Draft.


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Here's an idea I've been thinking about. I'd like to hear what others think about it. What if we were to trade our 2 #3 picks this year to move up to the 2nd round so we'd have 2 #2 picks this year. I feel we should still take the best DL or WR with our first 2nd round pick and then we can take the other position with our second #2 if we make the trade. Or, should we just stay where we are and let the draft come to us? Thoughts?

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Think we only have the compensatory pick in the 3rd round. I believe our original 3rd was part of the Watson trade.

I see us as more likely to trade back from our 2nd rounder (to try to get a couple picks before 70) than up. Might try to package the later rounds to get more picks in the 3rd-5th range. All depends on who is still on the board when.

Could also see us flipping late round picks for future picks as we're at a point where late rounders could be unlikely to make the roster. Again it depends on the evaluations and who is still available, as well as how the projections of next year's draft look.


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I don't want to trade down, but I have a feeling we may do so.

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Agreed, I definitely have players that I want if they are still on the board.


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You're right Bull I forgot about the 3rd we traded for DW.

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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
I don't want to trade down, but I have a feeling we may do so.

A good chance.

Unless the value the team sees at #42 is far greater than what they think will be there later in the draft, they will opt for the multiple picks.

I think much will depend on how much immediate impact the team is seeking out of that #42 pick. If they are wanting immediate impact, they probably stick. If they aren't needing that and are looking at more of a long term thing, they probably drop.

Oh...if they trade up, which isn't talked about much, they defiantly are throwing everything in to this season. Given the precarious position the staff is in, they may just do that. It seems to me that is a do or die season. Stefanski for sure. The FO possibly.


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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
I don't want to trade down, but I have a feeling we may do so.
I can't say they will or won't trade down/back b/c they rarely do what I think is the obvious sensible thing at the time.
I may attempt to explain Why, they "should" not trade back "this" year and every year is different.

it starts with looking at the Browns team before the draft, are they completely void of NFL caliber players, therefore re@uiring that any and all players, even below average lower round drafted guys, later round picks would help by @uantity? No.
I mean, are we looking at a current Browns like the 2020 to 2022 Texans, or the Nineteen Ninety Nine to 2000 Browns expansion team? No.
Those teams Needed to trade down for more picks, even in the 2nd, in ninety nine they even had Darrin Chiaverini starting and it was described our Dbs were Cutch, Daylon Mccutcheon, and "don't know who", a safety, and don't know who, and dont' know who, for the five spots.

Well, in 2020 the Browns had about the most talent I've ever seen them have and I think that can be agreed on, and even today, I think one could agree the Browns have a player better than a random late round pick at many many positions, and
that would be a decent reason NOT to trade back for more less @uality selections
but to stay, or even trade UP for fewer but higher @uality selections.

Greedy Williams, AJ Green, Greg Newsome, even Martin Emerson at Corner, all better today, than what may have been, well for an example of a later round guy sheldrick Redwine, or even dude from the 6th round who got beat out last year but who had been a draft pick.

ok, offense, Even a M. Woods, and David Bell, and even Demetric Felton, whom they are not using right, would be =e@ual to what you might add after getting the extra pick by trading back or down.
Not to mention the OL, How, Haeg, and Forbes and Nick Harris, for goodness sakes Dawson ' why is he here' Deaton, and James Hudson,
all .. well one of, anyway, =E@ual to what they could expect from an additional late round selection.

how about DL. They don't need to trade back to draft ANOTHER Togiai, or Jordan Elliot. after all they just this week brought in 3 or 4 dudes who'd all be = to or better than they'd get in an additional pick by trading down.

No, it appears very obvious they should be aiming for TOP @uality, the BPA, best player available,
but,
if, a group a GM front office group is afraid, or un@ualified, or unwilling to make a decision on who is the best, then they may take the easy way out by trading back,
EVEN WHEN it is glaringly obvious that it's not the right move in a given year.

Basically trading back would be sending the message that all of those plethora of players not only don't belong "already on your team"
but that they'd all never really be expected to do anything in the NFL anyway, any more than a rookie college late round pick.

therefore, it seems the sensible thing is for the Browns to draft a "good" player when they are on the clock,
but the Browns defy sensibility regularly. NO?
Especially when it is Berry and Depo pulling the levers, so, they'll probably trade back like ...


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Well the thing is that allegedly the players from 30-70 in this draft all have similar grades. Would you rather have one swing or two? If there's someone who stands out above the others on the board when we're up, take him. If there's a pod of ~twenty players all bunched together, why not try to take two of them?

I could see us potentially trading 42 for 61 and 64 with Chicago. I could see an OL being there that's high on the Bears' board that we don't really need. If the DL I like are gone, moving back to get a WR and different DL, one who's likely to be gone by 98, makes sense to me.


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Potential UDFA maybe



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Originally Posted by Versatile Dog
I don't want to trade down, but I have a feeling we may do so.

It is a very good possibility ... one which depends on where we are trading down to and what handfull of prospects we like to be there at that point in the draft.


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I would love Deuce Vaughn. I love short RB's. And Deuce in the open field makes people just look silly. I would be pleased as punch if they were to grab him AND Mo Ibrahim....As They very well may be available as devalued the RB position is...I don't really have specific targets...especially after the Moore trade. at first I was hoping The DT from that school up north might be a good target...But now...I can mostly sit back and root for the underdogs (the lower picks) Seeing these rounds can sometimes be more interesting than 1 & 2. It's easy to say I want the SUPER STUD...everyone can see he is a good player...but to find those diamonds in the rough.....seeing the traits teams covet. grabbing those guys whose heart can't be measured. That is pretty cool.


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Originally Posted by Bull_Dawg
Well the thing is that allegedly the players from 30-70 in this draft all have similar grades. Would you rather have one swing or two? If there's someone who stands out above the others on the board when we're up, take him. If there's a pod of ~twenty players all bunched together, why not try to take two of them?
It doesn't @uite work that way.

allegedly the players from 30-70 in this draft all have similar grades.

that's impossible, esp. in football due to the differences in position re@uirements being that the fact they have everything from a kicker, a @uarterback, returners, Free safeties, strong safeties, linebackers, Defensive end tweeners, 3/4 DL, 4/3 DL, Nose tackles, Right Tackles, centers, guards, left tackles, tight ends, Wide receivers of 3 types, running backs of at least two types
team strengths, division opponent teams' team strengths,.... kick coverage specialists, punters, not to mention their favorite, about 2 types of cornerbacks
and then the accepted facts that these players who play these positions are different sizes, height and weight,
different speeds, posess different strength levels and different sheer mass power and volume.

means that it's impossible for all the players from 30 to seventy to have similar grades.

Unless someone doesn't do their homework, or doesn't care. i.e. the team.

The sports of hockey, basketball, and soccer, don't have nearly as many differences of on field positions or position groups, on field, on court... can leave baseball out of it which doesn't either and their are no 'nearly' 400 pound baseball players
sumo wrestling only provides the contest of only one matchup between a football games offensive and defensive lines on one play where there are at least 8 players involved in different matchups in that regard each snap.

so a team can feed that line, of bull to the fans in other sports, over the years... " all the players have imilar grades so we'll trade back for two bites not one"
Bull > ... that only shows the team is either
lazy, or unwilling to make a decision, or doesn't have any faith in a large portion of the current makeup of the players already on the team.

and That... is the real thing.
If they trade back, they are sending a referendum against the talent level of the player core already on the team, and the team brass are the same ones who assembled them over the last five years
and
if you go back to what they were allegedly trying to do in sixteen and seventeen, to end up with the #I overall pick back to back years
then sending a referendum against the talent core already on the team would be sending a referendum against their own abilities
to find a player in the Ist place.

Not to mention Watson and what that took , and OBJ and what that took.

... Would I rather have one swing or two?
simply, not taking that first swing would show that they do not know how to take ANY swings AT ALL, anytime, no matter how many you give them.
And that they don't trust or keep the swings they take.

edit. I forgot to include that the pool of potential players is thousands deep, and of realistic selections still hundreds deep, anytime you are in the top I04 picks of an annual college draft, with a diminishing return where number one overall has the most options
and Mr irrelevant has the same most options minus about 230 to 238 players selected ahead of him/ or her.
which even further reinforces that
picks 30 to seventy overall cannot be just lumped together in a similar range of talent and abilities.

2nd edit. realize after reading it appears my use of the word bull, to comment the preposterousness of the ideas could be mis construed as me addressing the poster whose screenname is Bull Dawg, I'm not trying to do that, I'm really responding to the team, and the idea from the team mention in the post by Bull Dawg and trying to use Bull in the usage of 'Barbara streisand'/ proposteresness

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I don't know what kind of LB he might be, but he clearly has the athletic numbers that make you think he has the tools.

If he has good instincts and can tackle, you'd think he could be a pretty solid special teamer from the beginning and possibly more than that.


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Originally Posted by FL_Dawg
Here is a random RB prospect I would be happy to draft on day 3 if he is still available.



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Anyone mention Isaiah Bolden from Jackson St???

Could be a S/slot option for us

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There will always be teams that will put character on the back burner in their desperation for talent.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
There will always be teams that will put character on the back burner in their desperation for talent.

True. In this case I am not sure it is a character issue. A stupid moment isn't necessarily a character flaw. Geesh.


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That's the way I see it as well but that's certainly not the way it's being portrayed by many. We see it all the time. People claiming they don't like a players attitude or things they say in public. Then when it comes down to something serious they turn their heads away and pretend it's okay.


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2023 NFL Draft Prospect Interview: Nicolas Melsop, OL, Delta State University

Name: Nicolas Melsop
Position: Offensive Tackle/Guard
College: Delta State University
Height: 6’7
Weight: 332
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He's a big boy and pretty quick and smart

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OT Wanya Morris was a former five-star tackle recruit and has played LT (started at LT while at Tennessee over RT Darnell Wright) before starting at RT opposite LT Anton Harrison in 2022 at Oklahoma ... so I don't think that he should necessarily be peginholed as a RT only prospect ... the film shows a couple of LT 1 vs 1 reps at this years Sr. Bowl.

Measurables:
— HEIGHT: 6’ 5 3/8"
— WEIGHT: 307 lbs (a lean 307 with room to grow)
— ARM: 35 1/8’’
— HAND: 10 1/4’’


Tested:
— 5.1 sec. 40-yards
— 1.73 sec. 10-yard split
— 28.5″ vertical jump
— 9’3″ broad jump


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This kid is C/G. What makes this kid interesting, at least to me, I played QB in high school, and this kid is the son of my C for 3 years in high school.

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A projected UDFA WR the Browns have meet with



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Darnell Wright, UT Volunteers right guard of the OL, Tennessee.

https://www.si.com/college/tennesse...ld-be-top-offensive-tackle-for-nfl-draft

It's that he gets in position, and imo has techni@ue too. I mean, his body is in the right posture and position in pass blocking, and how important is that. Everyone knows it's ultra important,


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O'Cyrus Torrence Offensive lineman Florida Gators
Another solid guy.

https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/ocyrustorrence


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Ryan Hayes UM Offensive Tackle Michigan Wolverines
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"probable later round guys that people find intriguing"


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Tre'Vius Hodges Tomlinson Cornerback TCU,
nephew of Ladanian Tomlinson
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read side by side with Mehki Blackmon U.S.C. corner and Mehki reads like the weaknesses would be harder to get over, to make me prefer Tomlinson.

https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/mekhiblackmon

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Siaki Ika Defensive Tackle Baylor
A massive strongman for the middle of the defensive line. 6'3 335, would fit right in.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/players/3122596/siaki-ika/
Cbs sports.com has him ranked one hundred sixth and the fifteenth DL.

I'm saying one could do worse, why put a pick on Marvin Mims if you have 8 Marvin Mims clones in the wings already,
Unless Mims offers any upside which I wonder what upside Mims would offer at all whatsoever if he will struggle against regular coverage, and there is already, Bell, and Woods, and Now Moore, and Goodwin, and Jakeem Grant, not to mention DPJ, and Cooper, and Schwartz, and Harley.

Siaki Ika thrives against double teams at 33five pounds in the middle of the DL, Hello? that's what everyone's been talking about since they drafted Myles Garrett.


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Originally Posted by THROW LONG
Siaki Ika Defensive Tackle Baylor
A massive strongman for the middle of the defensive line. 6'3 335, would fit right in.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/players/3122596/siaki-ika/
Cbs sports.com has him ranked one hundred sixth and the fifteenth DL.

I'm saying one could do worse, why put a pick on Marvin Mims if you have 8 Marvin Mims clones in the wings already,
Unless Mims offers any upside which I wonder what upside Mims would offer at all whatsoever if he will struggle against regular coverage, and there is already, Bell, and Woods, and Now Moore, and Goodwin, and Jakeem Grant, not to mention DPJ, and Cooper, and Schwartz, and Harley.

Siaki Ika thrives against double teams at 33five pounds in the middle of the DL, Hello? that's what everyone's been talking about since they drafted Myles Garrett.

With his size, and lack of speed and burst, he belongs in a 3-4.


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Siaki Ika Defensive Tackle Baylor
A massive strongman for the middle of the defensive line. 6'3 335, would fit right in.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/players/3122596/siaki-ika/
Cbs sports.com has him ranked one hundred sixth and the fifteenth DL.

I'm saying one could do worse, why put a pick on Marvin Mims if you have 8 Marvin Mims clones in the wings already,
Unless Mims offers any upside which I wonder what upside Mims would offer at all whatsoever if he will struggle against regular coverage, and there is already, Bell, and Woods, and Now Moore, and Goodwin, and Jakeem Grant, not to mention DPJ, and Cooper, and Schwartz, and Harley.

Siaki Ika thrives against double teams at 33five pounds in the middle of the DL, Hello? that's what everyone's been talking about since they drafted Myles Garrett.

With his size, and lack of speed and burst, he belongs in a 3-4.

I agree...


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I don't think I have ever been less involved in the draft than this year.

I have looked at very few players. Even the ones I have looked at; all I did was watch a highlight tape.

I know the names of guys we might be after but not much else.

I am not expecting the draft to actually have much impact this year. My hope is we find a couple guys who could one day develop into starters.

There are a few guys projected as second round picks I would love to get. I like Keion White a lot.

I don't think we will get him more like wishful thinking.

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Xavier Hutchinson WR, Iowa st. Cyclones, 6'2 203+, kind of big but not polished, 254 catches
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Berrys' obligatory 6th round WR add?
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Ronnie Hickman Safety for Ohio State,
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The Browns need safeties with everyone leaving. Doesn't that say he fits the single high role.


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I don't think I have ever been less involved in the draft than this year.

I have looked at very few players. Even the ones I have looked at; all I did was watch a highlight tape.

I know the names of guys we might be after but not much else.

I am not expecting the draft to actually have much impact this year. My hope is we find a couple guys who could one day develop into starters.

There are a few guys projected as second round picks I would love to get. I like Keion White a lot.

I don't think we will get him more like wishful thinking.


It's so hard to predict who might be available at pick 74, but I think that some of the prospects that we brought in for one of our 30 visits are projected to go around our selection.


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I know this guy Ya Ya Diaby is a guy they have met with on numerous occasions.

He is projected around #74.


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I'm thinking that they are looking at him as a day 3 possible selection ... he will be 24 in just over a month.

WR Jalin Hyatt could be there too. He is fast but oh so raw. Not only does he come with a limited understanding of the route tree, but he is also inexperienced with the nuances of the position (he is not a great salesman at this juncture) and working against press man coverage. In short (imo) his Draft stock has been inflated by the media and many believe that we brought him in for one of the 30 pre-draft visits looking to trade up. It used to be an unwritten rule that you never trade up for a WR in the Draft.


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I want one thing from any Wr they draft, I don't want to read that they have trouble getting off the line of scrimmage, if they have trouble against press coverage of even getting off the line of scrimmage, then I don't think they are going to do any of the other things well that you'd reasonably expect from a 'good' WR, like, play tough at the point of the catch, or, find ways to create their own separation, or find uni@ue ways to beat coverage when you improvise, or beat a guy after you make a catch, or track the ball in the air well,
If a WR can't get off the line of scrimmage, ... you'd have to start there in teaching, and everything else would be downhill, it has got to be a red flag in my opinion.
... or get 2 feet in bounds, or make a catch just an inch off the ground,...


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I think one can look at past drafts and get a reasonable idea of how many players at each position will likely be taken by what went in past years and then get an idea of who may be available around pick seventy three.
It's more fun because it's difficult. take the top seventy three best players and choose the best of whoever is left. rofl


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J.L. Skinner Boise st. safety. 6'4 200+
He's tall, he can play deep or shallow, helps against Tight Ends, there are going to be a larger than usual group of good TE's coming into the league this year.


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Jaxson Kirkland OT Washington, 6'6+ 320, ... articles that say the Ravens, the Rams, the Texans could have him as a target, but where?
I would guess probably earlier rather than later.

If he were on the board at seventy four, and the Browns took him at seventy four, hey why not.


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Random Running back
Kendre Miller TCU Horned Frogs
https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/kendre-miller
He played for TCU, like that, He had a good year in 22, the article is from Nov. of 22 which may not include all of his best year.

4.6nine in the 40 but they say he has straight line speed. ... neither did Peyton Hillis,... jump cuts, stiff arms, and makes guys miss,


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Derick Hall Linebacker, edge rusher for the Auburn Tigers
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Uhh, he might end up being special despite the knocks. Will probably go before seventy four.
reminds me of clay Mathew packer type, but does anybody.


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Georgia Tech Edge rusher Keion White.
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Andre Carter Edge rusher Army
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He keeps getting mocked to the Browns, there must be something to it.


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Dorian Williams Tulane. Linebacker
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If off ball linebackers are where it's at.

... Why don't I like Hodges Tomlinson the cornerback more? Some of the best corners to ever play were only five eight.

Those two would make an ok pool, the corner at seventy four, the LB at ninety eight.
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DL Devonnsha Maxwell. Add in McClendon Curtis, OL. Both could be later round picls who pan out big.

Got to pimp some UTC players.


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I'm dropping my opinion of the safety from Penn st.

I like the RB from Auburn Tank Bigsby, I want him at, pick number one.

I like the Wr, Kayshon Boutte out of LSU I want him at pick number one.

Every time your team picks, it is pick number one...

I'm dropping my opinion of the Edge player from Army. Too many of his highlights are unabaded> to a backpedaling @uarterback, I mean, how does that show football skill, it doesn't.

LET ME BANG THE TABLE FOR CB, TRE'VIUS HODGES TOMLINSON out of TCU,

And Zach Harrison defensive end out of Ohio State.

These are 4 players I like, today. I do not recommend passing them up.


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I’ll give a name I’ve been intrigued about: Dubose the WR. Mid round grade. I think he could be a good pick


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The thing about the Tulane Linebacker, I think it is Dorian Williams, sure about the first name, is he tackles helmet to helmet,
and in the NFL, the penaties are going to cost a team games.

If you take the Tulane Linebacker, they need to make sure he doesn't have helmet to helmet hits.


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The link projects 4th round.

According to mock drafts he will be drafted much sooner.

White's physical tool set will translate to the NFL. Whatever he lacks in technique seems to be things that will be coached up.

It would surprise me to see him get to the fourth round.

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Random list: Of guys to take note of,

one, Will Anderson, edge Alab.
2. Bryce Young @b,
3, Anthony Richardson, @b florida
, 4, Tyree Wilson edge, TxTc.
Five, P. Skronski OT nw.
6. Paris. Johnson. Jr. OT Ohio state,
seven: Joey Porter Penn st. Cb.
8. @uentin Johnson TCU wr.
nine, Jalen Carter GA DL.
I0. Darnell Wright OT, Tenn.
II. D. Witherspoon Cb Illinois
I2. Brian Branch, S. alab.
I3. Jaxon Smith Njigba, Wr Ohio state,
I4. BJ Ojulari edge LSU, ...
fifteen, C.J. Stroud @b Ohio state,
I6. Christian Gonzalez cb. Oregon.
seventeen Cam Smith CB south Carolina,
I8. Nolan Smith edge, Georgia.
nineteen, O'Cyrus Torrence OL florida.
20.Michael Mayer TE, Notre Dame.
2I. Cam smith cb south Carolina
22. Adetomiwa Adebawore DL N'Western,
23. Dalton Kincaid TE, Utah.
24. Broderick Jones OT Georgia.
twenty five. Myles Murphy defensive line, Clemson.
26. Jalin Hyatt Wide receiver, Tennessee.
twenty seven. Bijon Robinson Rb texas

twenty seven picks about makes a round, I feel it should be a round, in a random list of I20+ guys to note, who might be available for the Browns to pick and hopefully get a good football player.


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Trying to find late round defensive linemen I like has been a struggle. I started looking at potential DE to DT converts and may have found a target. Tyler Lacy, DL, Oklahoma State looks interesting. He was listed as a DE at the combine, but he played all over the line for Okie St. Missed some time this season with a leg injury, but was able to perform at the combine. Motor looks great and I like his physicality. More a complementary piece than a guy that's going to put up stats, but I feel like with Myles and Ogbo that's fine.

He's #89 here:


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Originally Posted by THROW LONG
I'm dropping my opinion of the safety from Penn st.


Ji'ayir Brown? Consider where we are drafting, he is the guy I want the most. I think he would be amazing at FS.


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Originally Posted by THROW LONG
Random list: Of guys to take note of,

one, Will Anderson, edge Alab.
2. Bryce Young @b,
3, Anthony Richardson, @b florida
, 4, Tyree Wilson edge, TxTc.
Five, P. Skronski OT nw.
6. Paris. Johnson. Jr. OT Ohio state,
seven: Joey Porter Penn st. Cb.
8. @uentin Johnson TCU wr.
nine, Jalen Carter GA DL.
I0. Darnell Wright OT, Tenn.
II. D. Witherspoon Cb Illinois
I2. Brian Branch, S. alab.
I3. Jaxon Smith Njigba, Wr Ohio state,
I4. BJ Ojulari edge LSU, ...
fifteen, C.J. Stroud @b Ohio state,
I6. Christian Gonzalez cb. Oregon.
seventeen Cam Smith CB south Carolina,
I8. Nolan Smith edge, Georgia.
nineteen, O'Cyrus Torrence OL florida.
20.Michael Mayer TE, Notre Dame.
2I. Cam smith cb south Carolina
22. Adetomiwa Adebawore DL N'Western,
23. Dalton Kincaid TE, Utah.
24. Broderick Jones OT Georgia.
twenty five. Myles Murphy defensive line, Clemson.
26. Jalin Hyatt Wide receiver, Tennessee.
twenty seven. Bijon Robinson Rb texas

twenty seven picks about makes a round, I feel it should be a round, in a random list of I20+ guys to note, who might be available for the Browns to pick and hopefully get a good football player.

Mocking interesting available prospects that may fall,,, into Round 2, 28 through fifty four. ...


28. Felix Anudike Uzomah, edge Kansas state
twentynine: Bryan Bresee DL. Clemson
30. Will Levis Kentucky @uarterback
3I. Jordan Addison Wr. USC
32. Emmanuel Forbes CB mississipi
33. Lukas Van Ness Edge Iowa
34. Calijah Kancey DL pitt
thirty five. Tyler Scott WR Cincinnati
36. John Michael Schmidtz OL Minnesota
thirty seven. Darnell Washington TE Georgia
38. Jartavius Martin safety Illinois
thirty nine: Hendon Hooker, @uarterback Tennessee
40:Deonte Banks CB Maryland
4I. Trenton Simpson LB Clemson
42. Jonathan Mingo WR. Mississippi
43. Derick Hall Edge Auburn
44. Jahmyr Gibbs RB. Alabama
Forty five. Anton Harrison OT, Oklahoma
46. Antonio Johnson S. Texas a#m
fortyseven. Keion White, edge, Georgia Tech
48: Andrew Vorhees, OL USC
fortynine: J.L. Skinner safety Boise st.
fifty: Drew sanders LB Arkansas
fifty one:: Kelee Ringo CB Georgia
FiftyTwo: steve Avila OL TCU
Fifty Three:: Jordan Battle safety Alabama
fifty Four: Zay Flowers WR Boston college.

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Have you looked at Keondre Coburn the DT from Texas?

All i know about him is that he is huge. Listed at 6'2 and 332#
CBS sports has his ranked as the 199th overall prospect.


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Have you looked at Keondre Coburn the DT from Texas?

All i know about him is that he is huge. Listed at 6'2 and 332#
CBS sports has his ranked as the 199th overall prospect.

Wasn't overly impressed with what I've seen. I prefer Ojomo of the Texas DL, but that is far from a glowing endorsement.

Coburn seems to have a pretty small tackle radius and looks more like a patty-caker than a violent striker with his hands to me.


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Ojomo tends to be rated higher in most places that I have looked.
I was just impressed by Coburn's size.
Never saw either of these guys play.

Appreciate the scouting report


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Random list: Of guys to take note of,

one, Will Anderson, edge Alab.
2. Bryce Young @b,
3, Anthony Richardson, @b florida
, 4, Tyree Wilson edge, TxTc.
Five, P. Skronski OT nw.
6. Paris. Johnson. Jr. OT Ohio state,
seven: Joey Porter Penn st. Cb.
8. @uentin Johnson TCU wr.
nine, Jalen Carter GA DL.
I0. Darnell Wright OT, Tenn.
II. D. Witherspoon Cb Illinois
I2. Brian Branch, S. alab.
I3. Jaxon Smith Njigba, Wr Ohio state,
I4. BJ Ojulari edge LSU, ...
fifteen, C.J. Stroud @b Ohio state,
I6. Christian Gonzalez cb. Oregon.
seventeen Cam Smith CB south Carolina,
I8. Nolan Smith edge, Georgia.
nineteen, O'Cyrus Torrence OL florida.
20.Michael Mayer TE, Notre Dame.
2I. Cam smith cb south Carolina
22. Adetomiwa Adebawore DL N'Western,
23. Dalton Kincaid TE, Utah.
24. Broderick Jones OT Georgia.
twenty five. Myles Murphy defensive line, Clemson.
26. Jalin Hyatt Wide receiver, Tennessee.
twenty seven. Bijon Robinson Rb texas

twenty seven picks about makes a round, I feel it should be a round, in a random list of I20+ guys to note, who might be available for the Browns to pick and hopefully get a good football player.

Mocking interesting available prospects that may fall,,, into Round 2, 28 through fifty four. ...

28. Felix Anudike Uzomah, edge Kansas state
twentynine: Bryan Bresee DL. Clemson
30. Will Levis Kentucky @uarterback
3I. Jordan Addison Wr. USC
32. Emmanuel Forbes CB mississipi
33. Lukas Van Ness Edge Iowa
34. Calijah Kancey DL pitt
thirty five. Tyler Scott WR Cincinnati
36. John Michael Schmidtz OL Minnesota
thirty seven. Darnell Washington TE Georgia
38. Jartavius Martin safety Illinois
thirty nine: Hendon Hooker, @uarterback Tennessee
40:Deonte Banks CB Maryland
4I. Trenton Simpson LB Clemson
42. Jonathan Mingo WR. Mississippi
43. Derick Hall Edge Auburn
44. Jahmyr Gibbs RB. Alabama
Forty five. Anton Harrison OT, Oklahoma
46. Antonio Johnson S. Texas a#m
fortyseven. Keion White, edge, Georgia Tech
48: Andrew Vorhees, OL USC
fortynine: J.L. Skinner safety Boise st.
fifty: Drew sanders LB Arkansas
fifty one:: Kelee Ringo CB Georgia
FiftyTwo: steve Avila OL TCU
Fifty Three:: Jordan Battle safety Alabama
fifty Four: Zay Flowers WR Boston college.

fifty five: Sam Laporta TE Iowa
fifty six: Jaxson Kirkland OT Washington, <this one is in demand.
fifty seven: Puka Nacua Wr. BYU
fifty eight: Eli Ricks CB Alabama
fifty nine: Marvin Mims wr. Oklahoma. I per. don't like the idea but it's not about my liking the idea, but thinking where it fits
sixty: Jakorian Bennett CB Maryland
6I. Ji'ayir Brown Penn st. safety
62.Matthew Bergeron OT Syracuse
63. Zach Charbonnet rb ucla
64. Tyler Steen OT Alabama
sixty five. Jack Campbell LB Iowa
66. Dawand Jones OT. Ohio state
sixty seven. Zach Harrison edge ohio state
68: Josh Downs wr. North Carolina
sizty nine: Will McDonald edge Iowa st.
seventy Mazi Smith defensive line Michigan
seventy one: Jalen Redmond edge Oklahoma
seventy two Joe Tippmann OL Wisconsin
seventy three. Tank Dell WR Houston
seventy four Tank Bigsby RB auburn
seventy five. Cody Mauch Ot. North Dakota state.
seventy six. Daiyan Henley linebacker Washington st,
seventy seven. Luke Musgrave TE Oregon st,
seventy eight: Isaiah Foskey edge Notre Dame
sventy nine: Julius Brents CB KSU
80. Tuli Tuipuloto DL USC ... like
8I. Tre'Vius Hodges Tomlinson CB TCU


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