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and Lindsay Graham is comforting?

This is not what I said, nor was it what I was replying to.

I just saying if you are sooo disturbed over Nancy response . Why not comment on how disturbing Lindsays response is?

They are both wrong. Shameful actually.

Lindsey needs to shut up about violence.

Nancy needs to remember that a person is always innocent until proven guilty.

I will defer further comment until the charges are published. I will make this known. If the state is focused on state crimes it will be easier to prove. If the state draws in federal statue to co-mingle with state charges, I would expect a judge to not allow that. There is precedence that prohibits the state from using federal crimes in their prosecution and vice versa.

It is curious that we have not seen federal charges against Trump. Cohen spent 3 years in jail, yet individual 1, the co-conspirator (presumed to be Trump) has not been charged. That is wrong. Cohen is obviously angry about the situation, and I would be as well.

Maybe disturbing is a bit of an overtstatement but she still should have never worded it that way.

I'm just saying if you are soooo disturbed by Lindsays response, why not comment on Nancy's point?

Whatabout!!! Whatabout!

Because certain things they'll avoid like the plague. Trump calls for violence? Crickets from them. Others in the republican party suggest violence? They just pounce on something far less egregious from the other side and call that disturbing.

I notice you avoided the whole "whatabout" topic. Typical.

Because it's nothing but one of those tropes you claim you hate so much. You see I actually addressed your comments on Pelosi and stated I don't think she should have worded her response that way. While you are still deflecting to avoid stepping up to the plate. Not that I would expect anything different.

I did comment a couple times. Whats your point?

You did.. you whined about Graham instead of talking about Nancy.

So if its about Graham its whining, if its about Nancy its talking. I did talk about Nancy. You seem to have a selective reading agenda.

SO here is what you said from the original post that contained the tweet from Nancy:



Yes, I see how you addressed Nancy and didn't just "whatabout".

You do realize that the forum keeps a history of what you said right?

So in a post about trump .... you can say what about Nancy... but no one can say what about Graham? Oh, ok, I get it now.

There are people that will only argue a single side of a particular point, and there are people that will never admit a wrong.

It is a pretty mindless approach to life and more often than not, leads to a flawed view of life.

My dad would often ask me to argue both perspectives of a topic, just to see if I understood, and not with only politics. If is a helpful technique.

Except I was replying directly to a post that had a tweet from Nancy. I didn't say "well what about Nancy saying.." Someone else posted the tweet and I made a comment on that. You then expect I should read your mind and post something about Graham. That's were the "whatabout" comes from.

Maybe I should also mention Netanyahu since he was mentioned this week in the news by someone? Or light bulbs? Or....

News about the classified docs case; it looks like after the subpoena came, trump went through the boxes and sorted out some stuff he wanted to keep and he told others to lie to the government officials when the National Archives was working to recover the docs.


Justice Dept has more evidence of possible Trump obstruction in documents probe -WaPo
Story by Reuters • 4h ago




(Reuters) - U.S. Justice Department and FBI investigators have amassed new evidence indicating possible obstruction by former President Donald Trump in the probe into classified documents found at his Florida estate, the Washington Post reported on Sunday, citing sources.

© Thomson Reuters
FBI agents seized thousands of government records, some marked as highly classified, from Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate in August. The investigation is one of two criminal inquiries into the former president being led by Special Counsel Jack Smith.

Trump, who was indicted on Thursday in a separate inquiry in New York, has denied any wrongdoing in the cases and describes them as politically motivated.

After his advisers received a subpoena in May demanding the return of the classified records, Trump looked through some of the boxes of government documents in his home out of an apparent desire to keep certain things in his possession, the Post reported, citing people familiar with the investigation.


Investigators also have evidence indicating Trump told others to mislead government officials in early 2022, before the subpoena, when the U.S. National Archives and Records Administration was working to recover documents from Trump's time as president, the Post reported.


The FBI referred questions to the Justice Department, which did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

In a statement to the Post, Trump spokesman Steven Cheung said that the "witch-hunts against President Trump have no basis in facts or law," and accused Special Counsel Smith and the Justice Department of leaking information to manipulate public opinion.

Smith's investigations are among a growing number of legal worries for Trump, who in November launched a campaign seeking the 2024 Republican presidential nomination.

In addition to the New York probe, Trump faces a Georgia inquiry over whether he tried to overturn his 2020 election defeat in the state.

(Reporting by Rami Ayyub in Washington; Editing by Matthew Lewis)

Oh snap! Let’s support this POS.

Well yeah , but what Nancy said....

Or when you elect a fascist crooked moron to throw at Washington like a Molotov Cocktail, and then he steers the country down the drain...

But A sitting president inciting a riot on the Capital is just dandy...?

They can't see how messed up they are, Daman. Trump tried to overthrow the government, and they've done nothing but defend him and do everything they can to keep him from being held accountable. If one of us did what Trump did, they would lock us up and throw away the key.

Was he "inciting a riot" or was he "promoting peaceful protest" vigorously?

Look I tend to agree with the former, but it's ...interesting how the language changes depending on which side someone is on.

Perspective has a noticeable effect on perception. It seems that many people in this country look at issues from extremely polarized perspectives. Trying to look at issues from multiple perspectives doesn't get a lot of run here and seems to frequently be treated as an act of betrayal. This leads to the massive divides we continuously see.

Instead of trying to find a middle ground that can effectively function we seem to be hacking at democracy from opposite ends which could quite possibly ultimately end in a butchered (no longer existing) democracy.

It seems that as Americans everything is often seen through a lens of competition. Democracy doesn't really work as a competition. How do we change the perspective from competitive to trying to find opportunities for cooperation?

See preceding discussion on "whatabout"

Sooo what about nancy?

Go ask the person that posted the tweet that I respond to.

If it doesnt fit your agenda you can ignore it

Yes, he's the one who started the whatabout and then accused you of it. It's straight from the trump playbook.

They'll do anything to derail a trump thread and then blame others for derailing it.

I get you only read the words you wish to read and then lie about reality, but it should be pretty clear I responded to a post that featured a tweet from Nancy. So,yet again you lie to create your own narrative.

You're welcome.

So in other words. Inciting the Jan 6th riot is just dandy. And we should look from multiple perspectives and accept that trump is above the law and get over it, so we can all get along again?

This line was especially comical.....

Bull, I thought your overall post was very good. It is ironic how some can view one event as a peaceful protest and another as a riot. And I am talking about biased people on both sides of the fence. However, my favorite part of your post was this statement:



Very well said and it's undeniable. Well done, sir.

Lol..Nothing like passive closet maga supporters to make my day. These people aren’t fooling anyone. They’ll vote for trump or vote for civil war. It’s insane.

There are over 140 injured law enforcement officers and hours upon hours of video that both know and show the difference. I'm sure they can explain to anyone and everyone this was not a peaceful protest no matter anyone's "perspective" or "perception".

You lying about things is not actually a favor to me. "You're welcome" would not be appropriate, apologizing might but that will be a cold day...

I see gracefully accepting things isn't in your repertoire. Not surprised.

Hey look........more insults and labeling by the left.

Gracefully accepting you saying "you're welcome" like it does anything for me?

When you are wrong and then trying to act like you've done anything other than deny it that does not cause a situation where anyone else should be "graceful".