DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Mass Shootings Continued..

I understand what you're saying, and I don't dislike anyone here, especially not Frankz, because I don't know him at all. You can't just come at me and expect nothing in return. Unlike you two, I don't have 17 hours a day to beat the same dead horses across the site. When I speak, I speak my mind, then move on. When people approach me like a person should if they want to engage in meaningful dialogue, that's usually what they get. When you come at me with GOPerisms and gotchas expecting me to react like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar... let's say they don't know me and probably don't want to because I play to win.

I was somewhere in the Carribean, and the public restroom area was unisex. They had individual stalls (not partitions that are 18" off the floor.) Floor to ceiling walls with regular doors and locks, just lined up, probably like 8 of them. Across from the stalls, was a long wall where there were sinks.
It was just an open area, if you were not inside a stall, you were visible by anyone in the general area.
It seemed to work well. At one point there was a wait but it moved evenly based on position in line, unlike the typical scenario where women's lines move slower then men's.
They also seem to be generally clean, unlike some public toilets I've seen elsewhere.

When reading your posts, are you trying to indicate that others have a bias but that you don't?

No, that isn't what I said.

Coming at you is pointing out you just scream "fascist! GOPER! Trumpian!" and when asked what the connection is you just say "I know there's one!".

You got called for completely and blindly yelling that nonsense and blaming it on something there is zero evidence was that cause. And yes, I do expect you to act like a child when called out for your childness.

Thanks for answering my question.

You're welcome.

https://nypost.com/2023/04/13/first...rprint-unlocking-system-hits-the-market/

New smart gun! Unlock with fingerprint/facial recognition.

This wont help mass shootings much. But would be great for families with kids.

As much trouble as the mature technology in my phone has I am not sure this would be a great idea. I wonder if it has a cradle to keep the battery charged.

I saw a charging station for it. There is a video.

I'm just looking for a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.

Those last posts were funny but not as funny as Sarah Huckebee Sanders saying she wants to make sure Kids are as safe in the womb as they are in school... What a freakin idiot.

It’s called telling your base what they want to hear, and not mentioning the obvious need to control who can obtain an AR and a ton of ammo vs an abortion. Yep

Yesterday 2 killed another 6 injured as somebody fired at people in a park in Louisville.

And last night, not much info yet but at least 6 dead and 20-30 injured at a sweet 16 party in Alabama where an altercation broke out. Yahoo news reporting most all victims are kids.

No question that it's her idea of spin. She was just that flaky when she worked at the White House. Alternate or incomplete facts is the new mantra of the republican party

Another day, another shooting. More people killed in a GOPer state, while their leaders not only do nothing but actively block any attempts by others to stop the killing. Culture of life, my ass.

Seriously, a "Sweet Sixteen" party... Yikes

I think the republican candidates are making a lot of mistakes.. Backing guns and backing anti abortion. I mean, if they would just look at all the polls that have been taken in recent times, they'll see that the positions they are taking just aren't popular with the majority of Americans. Yet, most of the so called front runners are touting them as "must haves" to win. Recent election results should teach them a lesson, but I guess not.

Another unpopular subject is gerrymandering districts. Polls show that most Americans are against that activity. Let's not forget cutting entitlements..... Americas seniors and soon to be seniors will revolt against them.

Here is an update released a short time ago. Still not a lot of details.

‘Multitude of injuries,’ 4 killed in Alabama birthday party shooting

DADEVILLE, Ala. (WRBL) – At least four people were killed Saturday night in a shooting at a celebration in Alabama, according to law enforcement.

Witnesses said the shooting occurred at a 16th birthday party at Mahogany Masterpiece Dance Studio in downtown Dadeville. Sgt. Jeremy Burkett of the Alabama Law Enforcement Agency said shots were fired at 10:34 p.m.

Witnesses reported hearing multiple gunshots and seeing people running and screaming from the building.

The total number of people shot was initially reported as more than 20. The State Bureau of Investigations, which confirmed the deaths Sunday morning, did not give an updated number of people injured.

A spokesperson only said there were a “multitude of injuries” during a Sunday morning press conference, and described the investigation as a “long, complicated process.”

Pastor Ben Hayes, who serves as the chaplain for the Dadeville Police Department and for the local high school football team, said most of the victims are teenagers because the shooting occurred at a 16th birthday party.

“One of the young men that was killed was one of our star athletes and just a great guy. So I knew many of these students. Dadeville is a small town and this is going to affect everybody in this area,” Hayes said.

The injured were transported to local hospitals for medical attention Saturday night.

Details about the suspect(s) or motives have not yet been released by authorities.

Ten hours after the shooting, crime scene tape still surrounded the dance studio. A tarp hung over the glass front door and white sheets could be seen inside covering the floor. Several yellow police placards littered the front sidewalk.

“This morning, I grieve with the people of Dadeville and my fellow Alabamians. Violent crime has NO place in our state, and we are staying closely updated by law enforcement as details emerge,” Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey said in a statement posted on social media.

Dadeville, which has a population of about 3,200 people, is in east Alabama, about 57 miles northeast of Montgomery, Alabama.

The shooting has left the small town shaken. “The city of Dadeville is a tight-knit community full of wonderful people,” said Police Chief Jonathan Floyd. “Please do not let this moment define what you think about the city of Dadeville and our fine people.”

The superintendent of Tallapoosa County schools Raymond Porter said counseling would be available to local students Monday.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...zPb05izfVGSQnPJ0fs0dnHztSNS_wabMVJ1Gr4t4

curious to see if this was also gang-related or domestic violence.

Usually, when new news doesn't publish info about the shooter (within 8-12 hours) it isn't a lone wolf type scenario.

That's totally incorrect. It often time takes days to do the background research on a shooter before they can report info about a shooters background or anything else about them. The Nashville shooting is a prime example. Even now, weeks later they're still not sure of the motive behind the shooting. And in this case it may very well involve a minor or minors in which case often times police officials do not disclose their names and that alone may take longer to identify who the shooter actually is by the media.

I'm also not sure why if it's gang related or domestic violence that it actually changes anything.

Red flag laws would help prevent domestic violence murders. But in some states we can't have that either.

false.

they knew who the shooter was within a few hours and shared it.

it was a work-related shooting. It wasn't random.

j/c:

Once again, the talk about mass murders is more about politics and what party one either supports or hates than what the real problem is. What's most distasteful is that those same folks act like they are disgusted that these horrible mass murders continue while they keep their heads in the sand about the truths of the issue and only raise up to point fingers at the other "side."

We know, if only we sit back and wait until all the politicians can agree to fund a total rebuild of the mental health system, then wait until it's rebuilt, say 10 or 15 years from now at best, can we do anything about the problem.

Work related? You're thinking about the bank shooting in Louisville. The Nashville shooter had never worked at the school.

And in this case, as of last night they did not know who the shooter was at the party and no arrest had been made. Hard to release anything about the shooter until they are identified, arrested and investigated. But do go on.

One of the 1st things to solving a problem is identifying then actually defining precisely what the problem is.

I don't know that I have come across a consensus opinion about what the "real problem" is other than. innocent people being shot for no apparent reason. This isn't the problem , this isthe result of the problem. Are you able to succinctly describe/define what you think is the real problem, devoid of politics? One of the issues with trying to discuss this, is that different people talk about different things.

And there are many ways to help slow down the death count at many levels. The issue seems to be that people make many such issues political. Then you'll see such comments as "is more about politics". People seem to keep making things that should in no way be political, political.

Some wish to isolate such mass shootings to a single thing and single solution when it's not a single thing. They seem to think and believe that there shouldn't be a multi pronged approach to addressing the issue. And any time you bridge that topic it's called a political issue.

No Jester, I don't. That's because I don't think there is a single factor. There are a multitude of factors. However, I did write a series of posts about the contributing factors in the alarming growing rate of mass murders and suicides in our country. I provided multiple links that supported those factors. One of them defined mental health and how to identify possible mass murderers while they were in school. This wasn't some random group. It was the National Association of School Psychologists. In a series of separate posts I also provided information [including links] about social isolation, family issues, cyberbullying, as well as the divide in our country in regards to political, social, racial, economic, and religious issues. I did say that I was proponent of stricter gun laws, such as not allowing the mentally ill being able to purchase guns.

These things were ridiculed by certain members of the left on this board, including twisting my words, asking questions designed to deflect, calling my thinking "banal," etc all in an attempt to make the talk return to talking only about guns and the political parties.

One thing is certain to me. Some people put more emphasis on the rights of individuals than the rights of the many. That is why folks deflect, dismiss, and vigorously combat talk that doesn't center around gun and political parties. It's just annoying because they make sarcastic comments like my message is that we should ignore the mass murders that occurring in the meantime. Those are BS comments because they don't want talk about the real--and very complex--issues that are actually leading to these horrific crimes.

I also want to reiterate that we really should include suicides in our search for the truth while we do case studies. As one of the psychologists I quoted said....Mass murderers are also committing suicide. Many leave notes. Many, many more individuals take their own lives instead of killing others due to the very same reasons I listed above as contributing factors.

You can go back to the last thread and read the posts I made. Many contain articles from respected members of the psychological community and organizations that deal w/such things. Others provide actual stats that many want to ignore about the divide in our country. You are intelligent. You will almost certainly find these things interesting if you are truly in search of the truth. On the other hand, if you are just speaking to shoot down alternative conversation that doesn't exclusively center around guns and political party allegiance......join the crowd of others who aggressively pursue the same goals. I might get suspended for posting my thoughts on this subject by those on the left, but I won't stop speaking the truth.

Just don't disagree Jester or you will be labelled and condoned no matter how succinct and credible your taking points are.

And that certainly is one very important aspect in all of this. Yet when asked about how you would implement those things, whether it was the school or the parents who would have the final say on their child being "treated" or whatever method you think goes beyond just identifying them, you refused to go beyond that.

It's great that creating a profile would help identify potential mass shooters, but that profile includes far more children that would never become a mass shooter than those that would become a mass shooter. So that would also include labeling children as having mental instability in far more cases that don't apply, than do.

And while I also believe you are correct that the constant political divide and vitriol spread is another contributing factor, how do you propose we get our politicians and people from continuing this?

I don't think anyone, at least speaking for myself, dismissed what you posted. Where the problem arose is when you refused to say how such things would be implemented and carried out. And while if you could explain how they could be used to help solve the problem, those certainly are only one aspect in helping reduce mass shootings. Your proposals alone aren't the entire answer. But I'm all for an anything that helps.

I think there are lots of factors but none more important than the proliferation, abundance and ease of obtaining firearms. While mental health and societies division and issues at large are all contributing factors - these are all factors that other first world, industrialized nations also face to some extent or another.

If you look at the differential between the division/strife in the USA and the other countries in the world - and then look at the differential in mass shootings/school shootings, the numbers are disproportionate. While there *might* be a 10-15% differential in how someone wants to determine the amount of division within society within the USA - we have 200%+ differential in mass shootings and school shootings.

I think discussion on mental health, division, poverty, angst/hate - all of those topics are very relevant. But so to is [1] What are you going to do about it - Pit asked several questions without response [2] You can't have those discussions in a vacuum and not discuss that biggest differentiator which is gun culture. [3] If you want to discuss mental health - why not extend the conversation to how ease of access to firearms and the number of firearms also impacts suicide rates. Suicides account for more than 50% of all firearm deaths so it would be a very relevant part of the discussion. Interesting findings on this shown below that show a higher suicide by firearm rate in states with the softest gun regulations - while suicide by other means varies much less.

https://www.kff.org/other/issue-bri...uns-have-more-suicide-deaths-by-firearm/

And there you have it. Resort to trashing--and telling lies about the individual who sees things differently.

This is an example of why we don't get anywhere on this issue.

Access to guns doesn't cause suicide. Suicide is a mental health issue. The japanese have a higher suicide rate than the US and almost no access to guns. Guns may make it easier, but if someone is ready to die they are going to get it done.

The questions you asked were already answered. You were trying to paint a picture that I did not paint. At that point, it's time to just move on.

I would love to have this conversation w/others out there who don't try and turn things into a battle and prefer to speak about the issues w/personal comments.

You've done nothing but trash me for years - you spent two days spamming the board calling me "evil" endlessly and never apologised. You talked about my family for days and days. Pot, kettle, black.

So it's not the questions being asked, but who is asking the questions. Got it.

Maybe someone else could ask him these obvious questions.

Suicide and mass shootings are both mental health issues. I said that.

What I also provided was statistics that show suicide rates by firearm in states with relaxed gun laws is much higher than other states. The same statistics for suicide by other means do not vary as much. You can ignore that if you choose but that doesn't make your opinion accurate.

Jester, you can PM me if you like. I don't want anything to do w/888, his lies, and his personal attacks.